Police seek assistance to house vandalism

Ghettosmurf87 said :

dungfungus said :

In this case the carton was bourbon and cola and it would have purchased on the way to the party so it would be a simple matter of checking grog shops in the vicinity in the hours before the party started.

It’s probably not quite that simple, though I see your point. As pointed out earlier, the barcode is not unique to the specific carton, though it is unique to the specific product. So therefore, if multiple cartons of bourbon&coke were bought in the hours preceding the party, you would not know for sure which of those cartons ended up at the party, just that one of them did.

Other plausible scenarios:

The carton was bought in advance, whether that be the morning of the party, a day before, a week before, etc. I know in my own experience, that if I’m going to be at the shops buying groceries on a particular day and I also know that there is a party to go to in a couple of days, I’ll buy my booze at that time to save making another trip.

The carton was bought previously for another occasion and only part consumed. The carton was then used to transport the remaining 2/3/4 4-packs to this party.

Someone else other than the attendee bought the carton. Be that parents, spouse/partner, sibling, housemate. i.e, housemate says he’s going to the bottle-o and asks if you want anything, you say yeah mate, a carton of bourbon, here’s $XX, cheers.

But, sure, it’s a fool-proof idea dungfungus

I think this “party” was an impromtu event in which case the grog would have been bought on the way. Not many bogans would be able to fit a standbye carton of bourbon and cola in their home fridge.
Then again, the police would have to actually make some field enquiries at local grog shops and that never happens these days.
They still knock on your door to serve summons’ for traffic offences though.

Ghettosmurf87 said :

PBO said :

Easy, go back to the Facebook invite and get the IP address of whomever posted the party details, that is where you can send the bill. Anyone who thinks that this cannot be done is in for a surprise.

And what would you charge that person with? Yes, they created an event and suggested people should go there, but how is anyone to know that they actually attended? Or that they were the ones that caused the damage?

I want whoever caused the damage to pay for it as much as anyone else, but you need proof if you want the charges to stick, and i would suggest that the creation of the idea is hardly going to be enough in a court of law.

Even if the person who posted the invitation did not attend or do the damage, they were inviting people to break and enter a house they did not own. But I imagine facebook will likely not co-operate.

Ghettosmurf87 said :

PBO said :

Easy, go back to the Facebook invite and get the IP address of whomever posted the party details, that is where you can send the bill. Anyone who thinks that this cannot be done is in for a surprise.

And what would you charge that person with? Yes, they created an event and suggested people should go there, but how is anyone to know that they actually attended? Or that they were the ones that caused the damage?

I want whoever caused the damage to pay for it as much as anyone else, but you need proof if you want the charges to stick, and i would suggest that the creation of the idea is hardly going to be enough in a court of law.

Cross reference the car licence plates with IP addresses and charge them with criminal tresspass, destruction of property, instigating riotous behaviour with malicious intent, misuse of a carriage device to willfully cause damage? I am sure that there is a whole book that they can throw at them and hopefully a judge that will actually bring down the law on these little s#@ts.

PBO said :

Easy, go back to the Facebook invite and get the IP address of whomever posted the party details, that is where you can send the bill. Anyone who thinks that this cannot be done is in for a surprise.

And what would you charge that person with? Yes, they created an event and suggested people should go there, but how is anyone to know that they actually attended? Or that they were the ones that caused the damage?

I want whoever caused the damage to pay for it as much as anyone else, but you need proof if you want the charges to stick, and i would suggest that the creation of the idea is hardly going to be enough in a court of law.

Easy, go back to the Facebook invite and get the IP address of whomever posted the party details, that is where you can send the bill. Anyone who thinks that this cannot be done is in for a surprise.

dungfungus said :

In this case the carton was bourbon and cola and it would have purchased on the way to the party so it would be a simple matter of checking grog shops in the vicinity in the hours before the party started.

It’s probably not quite that simple, though I see your point. As pointed out earlier, the barcode is not unique to the specific carton, though it is unique to the specific product. So therefore, if multiple cartons of bourbon&coke were bought in the hours preceding the party, you would not know for sure which of those cartons ended up at the party, just that one of them did.

Other plausible scenarios:

The carton was bought in advance, whether that be the morning of the party, a day before, a week before, etc. I know in my own experience, that if I’m going to be at the shops buying groceries on a particular day and I also know that there is a party to go to in a couple of days, I’ll buy my booze at that time to save making another trip.

The carton was bought previously for another occasion and only part consumed. The carton was then used to transport the remaining 2/3/4 4-packs to this party.

Someone else other than the attendee bought the carton. Be that parents, spouse/partner, sibling, housemate. i.e, housemate says he’s going to the bottle-o and asks if you want anything, you say yeah mate, a carton of bourbon, here’s $XX, cheers.

But, sure, it’s a fool-proof idea dungfungus

Pork Hunt said :

dungfungus said :

Pork Hunt said :

dungfungus said :

davo101 said :

Masquara said :

What’s the house made of? Cardboard?

Short answer: yes.

The empty bourbon case was made of cardboard and it has a barcode which can tell exactly where and when it was bought. That data can then be matched with recorded CCTV at the shop and an image of the purchaser is availble.

Surely the whole point of having a barcode is that they are ALL THE SAME?

Do you have one of those “Every Day Reward Card thingees”?
Every time you buy something the information on the barcode is harvested to creat a profile of you so that other products can be sublty marketed to you.
For example, everyone is selling car insurance these days (including supermarkets) so if your file shows that you buy a slab of VB ever day they are not going to offer you anything like car insurance.
Every barcode scanned gives a lot of information – they are not the same.

Surely, Dungers, the card is linked to the individual who presents it at the checkout. The poor old slab of VB is an inaminate object and there are thousands out there waiting to be purchased and drunk regardless of whether the card holder has insurance or not. They all have the same barcode.
I don’t have an everyday thingy rewards card but I am 100% confident that every time I pay with a bank card someone somewhere eventually gets my data. They can use it for good or evil, I have no say in that.

In this case the carton was bourbon and cola and it would have purchased on the way to the party so it would be a simple matter of checking grog shops in the vicinity in the hours before the party started.

Tooks said :

bigred said :

Very defensively written release. So police were called at 9.05 pm. what time did they actually arrive?

They gave them just enough time to escape just so they could avoid work.

Well, what time did they arrive?

dungfungus said :

Pork Hunt said :

dungfungus said :

davo101 said :

Masquara said :

What’s the house made of? Cardboard?

Short answer: yes.

The empty bourbon case was made of cardboard and it has a barcode which can tell exactly where and when it was bought. That data can then be matched with recorded CCTV at the shop and an image of the purchaser is availble.

Surely the whole point of having a barcode is that they are ALL THE SAME?

Do you have one of those “Every Day Reward Card thingees”?
Every time you buy something the information on the barcode is harvested to creat a profile of you so that other products can be sublty marketed to you.
For example, everyone is selling car insurance these days (including supermarkets) so if your file shows that you buy a slab of VB ever day they are not going to offer you anything like car insurance.
Every barcode scanned gives a lot of information – they are not the same.

Surely, Dungers, the card is linked to the individual who presents it at the checkout. The poor old slab of VB is an inaminate object and there are thousands out there waiting to be purchased and drunk regardless of whether the card holder has insurance or not. They all have the same barcode.
I don’t have an everyday thingy rewards card but I am 100% confident that every time I pay with a bank card someone somewhere eventually gets my data. They can use it for good or evil, I have no say in that.

If you actually look closely at the photos, yes they are all internal walls. Hence no insulation or real resistance to a well aimed boot.

And yes, all cardboard boxes have a standard product barcode, not individual tracking codes.

The way to track some of these vandals would be to get cache copies of the Facebook post and see who commented or liked the original post.