26 October 2010

Police shoot savage dogs in Macgregor

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[First filed: Oct 25, 2010 @ 11:47]

dog bite [Photo of Ameristralian’s injuries]

A friend of mine had two savage stray dogs one a pit bull and the other a mastiff cornered in her backyard yesterday by the dog controllers.

The two controllers were unable to get a hold of the dogs and the police were called in to shoot the dog.

My friend tells me they shot about 14 bullets into the dogs and 1 enterd their back window.

Seems a bit overboard and also dangerous considering people were inside the house. Apparently these two dogs had been on the loose attacking people all day.

UPDATE – JB: Riot Reader “Ameristralian” has sent in the above pic of injury sustained in the West Belconnen canine reign of terror. The AFP have now put out a media release:

ACT Policing will interview the owners of two large dogs which were responsible for three separate attacks across Belconnen yesterday (Sunday, October 24) and had to be shot by officers.

The two large dogs, a 60kg black Mastiff and a 35kg tan pitbull-Staffordshire cross, had been the subject of several reports to ACT Domestic Animal Services yesterday.

About 2.15pm, a female with two toddlers was attacked by two dogs in Crowley Place, Charnwood. She received a bite to her elbow but managed to fend off the animals.

Around half an hour later, a 30-year-old female was attacked in the same street, suffering a bite to her inner thigh. She attended a doctor this morning for treatment and may require plastic surgery at a later date.

About 3.15pm a pregnant woman was attacked by the same two dogs in Shakespeare Crescent, Fraser, resulting in a bite to her thigh and large bruise to her wrist. It is not known whether she has sought medical treatment.

Around 9.30pm police responded to a call for assistance by an ACT Domestic Animal Services officer regarding two savage dogs that had been located in Macgregor. The dogs matched the description involved in the three separate dog attacks from earlier in the day.

The ACT DAS officer had managed to corral the two dogs at the end of a sealed “battleaxe” driveway in Macgregor but due to the size and high aggression of the animals, was unable to catch them with his noose pole.

Police attended the location and through a significant concern for the safety of the public should the dogs manage to escape, the officers made a decision to use their firearms to shoot the dogs.

The Officer in Charge of Belconnen Police Station, Sergeant Matt Corbitt, said that if the dogs had escaped again during the hours of darkness, there was significant potential for them to injure people again.

“Given the injuries sustained by people from attacks earlier in the day and that fact that these aggressive animals were able to avoid capture from an animal handler, police believe these dogs presented unacceptable risk to the community and had to be destroyed,” Sgt Corbitt said.

Police believe that other people may have encountered these two dogs roaming in the Belconnen area during the day, and may have sustained bites or other injuries. If any members of the public in the Belconnen area had an encounter with an aggressive dog such as that described above, or suffered an injury as a result of a dog attack yesterday (Sunday, October 24), they are urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

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kingcosworth9:44 pm 05 Nov 10

Quick question, how many people that are saying the amount of bullets fired was excessive, have fired a medium to high powered handgun. It’s not like the movies where you can shoot the baddy at 100 mtrs, each with one shot while combing your hair. None of us where there, but an aggressive dog let alone two wouldn’t be propping to quick under spotlight. Plus, I admit i’m not sure on this, but the projectiles used with police ammunition would be fairly heavily jacketed to increase the chance of wounding as appose to killing (following NATO rules with our military ammo) This generally would require more shots to induce enough trauma for a kill. Cut the coppers that did the shooting a bit of slack, they did it for community safety, i’m sure they where not trying to be heroes, and I still find it amusing / disappointing that so many people in our society have comments on firearms, yet probably have never held one or if they did, wouldn’t know what they are looking at!

A shotty? Blah!!!

You need one of these:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmwIySAgYymNZOk62c4bdK2_a9HrfsGNfeyfrg3rhFqvwziPU

It is the only way to be sure.

Timberwolf659:09 am 31 Oct 10

I think the owners should be bloody shot for raising these dogs to be savage.

What kind of hollowpoints do they use in their pistols?

It’s pretty amazing the ACT police aren’t allowed to have shotguns or carbines. I guess it’s more politically correct for the cops to be blazing away with less accurate pistols in situations where one or two shots of 12 gauge would sort things out?

They should issue the cops Benneli M-3 semi/pump combination shotguns which would afford the use of less lethal riot loads for crowd control while still allowing the officers to rapidly engage multiple dropbears (mid-flight) with buckshot before those furry assassins have a chance to latch onto some poor bastards neck and rip their throat out. Just a thought?

Captain RAAF said :

Noezis said :

Requirement to go to the stan was 25 out of 40 into a saucer sized circle at 25 mtrs. Yours truly, 39/40….pulled one and not happy about it.

Does this mean that Aussie soldiers who, for whatever reason, would prefer not to participate in our overseas operations can simply get out of it by a few ‘poorly’ fired shots from a pistol?

Yeah. Right.

Bull Mastiffs have a long history of wrestling longarms off cops to use against them…

A shotgun would have been much easier for lots of reasons, including the fact they were shooting down a concrete drive with a brick wall at one end.

CraigT said :

I agree with the shotgun comments. Handguns are crap.

All depends what you want to do and where you want to do it. Handguns are easier to handle and use effectively in a close environment (e.g. in a struggle, in a room etc) and less likely to be taken from you, which is why they’re used by the police and the military in some environments.

Good luck using a long-arm in these situations!

I agree with the shotgun comments. Handguns are crap.

Callipo said :

Northwest9 said :

Callipo said :

Northwest9 said :

amarooresident3 said :

Northwest9 said :

so the dog catcher refused to come out… why doesnt that surprise me.

dog catchers become dog catchers because they failed at cop school, some how manage to be too socialy incompetent to even be a bouncer, isnt smart enough or clever enough to be a parking inspector, but because there mothers didnt love them, they need to be in a position of authority, they become the only thing left, a dog catcher.

my wifes 13yo arthritic daschound cross, that is afraid of cats/people/noise/etc, was apparently viciously attacking people.

despite not having left my property (his words), and there was no discussion, i wasnt even allowed to question the charge

Um, the dog catcher did come out if you actually read the story.

you right, i was responding to post #43 but failed to quote him, thus my post about rangers refusing to attend not making sense

however, i do ask, what did the dog catchers achieve in this instance? they managed to corner some pissed off dogs and then call for help, cause they couldnt do the job they are paid to do?

if it requires more than putting fines in mailboxes, they are out of their depth.

First of all you own a Daschund cross, thats probably enough said!!

2. I’ve heard Rangers get paid more than the police.

3. The “dog catchers” kept the dogs from attacking further members of the community by cornering them in (Thats terrible).

4. Rangers don’t carry firearms or OC spray, they carry a pole (WoW!!).

5. What job should of the Rangers carried out Mr expert?? I know, maybe they should of built a rapport with the dogs for a few days,maybe employ a negotiator then invite them over for dinner and take them for a long walk on the beach before taking them to the pound?

I wonder did you get a fine from a Ranger because your crazy Daschound did something wrong?? Probably not as they usually try and educate instead of revenue raising!

Oh by the way it seems that the vicious dogs involved can no longer attack anyone else. I’d call that a great achievement!!!

hello mr ranger,

for the record, the dog belongs to my wife. Its 13 years old, I’ve known my wife for 4 years. Maybe that’s tough for you to grasp, but please do try.

yes, rangers carry a pole, and were unable to use the pole in the manner you were trained in. that’s kind of like a secretary that cant type isn’t it?

paid more than police. woopy do, i hope you spend that 45k wisely.

lets see, what job should the rangers have carried out? i dont know, perhaps catch the dogs, i thought thats what dog catchers did? maybe i was mistaken. like i said, anything more than putting fines in letter boxes and they have to call the police.

the cops must hate helping out those highly paid, yet seemingly incompetent rangers

Response to your thoughtfull response:

1. If i was a Ranger you would probably know about it by now.

2. Get a real dog.

3. What type of training do the Rangers get in using a dog pole. I would be happy to pass on your details to them so they can get some professional training from you and maybe a autograph if they’re lucky.

4. When was the last time you held a job? With your figures (45k) you must of been last employed about 15 years ago.

5. The dogs were caught. I can’t see them running around.

6. I guess your right about the cops not wanting to go out but maybe the big wigs should give the Rangers the appropriate equipment to deal with such things?

This is fun!

1. ooh is that a threat…. hahahha

2. obviously youve never had a woman in your life. “hey hon, i dont like your girly dog, im gunna get rid of it and get a new one” yup, chicks dig that

3. dog catchers not knowing how to use a dog catching pole? explain to me exactly what you do as a dog catcher? other than put fines in mailboxes, considering you dog catchers dont catch dogs. but still happy to sign autographs. anytime.

4. hahaha, im not going to get into income, itll become a cock knocking contest that a dog catcher couldnt even catch, but for the record, ive worked in IT for the last 10 years, and proudly have never been on the dole or been unemployed.

5. caught? i thought they were shot… by cops… doing the dog catchers job???

6. appropriate equipment, like a dog catching pole and some courage?

your right, this is fun

Northwest9 said :

Callipo said :

Northwest9 said :

amarooresident3 said :

Northwest9 said :

so the dog catcher refused to come out… why doesnt that surprise me.

dog catchers become dog catchers because they failed at cop school, some how manage to be too socialy incompetent to even be a bouncer, isnt smart enough or clever enough to be a parking inspector, but because there mothers didnt love them, they need to be in a position of authority, they become the only thing left, a dog catcher.

my wifes 13yo arthritic daschound cross, that is afraid of cats/people/noise/etc, was apparently viciously attacking people.

despite not having left my property (his words), and there was no discussion, i wasnt even allowed to question the charge

Um, the dog catcher did come out if you actually read the story.

you right, i was responding to post #43 but failed to quote him, thus my post about rangers refusing to attend not making sense

however, i do ask, what did the dog catchers achieve in this instance? they managed to corner some pissed off dogs and then call for help, cause they couldnt do the job they are paid to do?

if it requires more than putting fines in mailboxes, they are out of their depth.

First of all you own a Daschund cross, thats probably enough said!!

2. I’ve heard Rangers get paid more than the police.

3. The “dog catchers” kept the dogs from attacking further members of the community by cornering them in (Thats terrible).

4. Rangers don’t carry firearms or OC spray, they carry a pole (WoW!!).

5. What job should of the Rangers carried out Mr expert?? I know, maybe they should of built a rapport with the dogs for a few days,maybe employ a negotiator then invite them over for dinner and take them for a long walk on the beach before taking them to the pound?

I wonder did you get a fine from a Ranger because your crazy Daschound did something wrong?? Probably not as they usually try and educate instead of revenue raising!

Oh by the way it seems that the vicious dogs involved can no longer attack anyone else. I’d call that a great achievement!!!

hello mr ranger,

for the record, the dog belongs to my wife. Its 13 years old, I’ve known my wife for 4 years. Maybe that’s tough for you to grasp, but please do try.

yes, rangers carry a pole, and were unable to use the pole in the manner you were trained in. that’s kind of like a secretary that cant type isn’t it?

paid more than police. woopy do, i hope you spend that 45k wisely.

lets see, what job should the rangers have carried out? i dont know, perhaps catch the dogs, i thought thats what dog catchers did? maybe i was mistaken. like i said, anything more than putting fines in letter boxes and they have to call the police.

the cops must hate helping out those highly paid, yet seemingly incompetent rangers

Response to your thoughtfull response:

1. If i was a Ranger you would probably know about it by now.

2. Get a real dog.

3. What type of training do the Rangers get in using a dog pole. I would be happy to pass on your details to them so they can get some professional training from you and maybe a autograph if they’re lucky.

4. When was the last time you held a job? With your figures (45k) you must of been last employed about 15 years ago.

5. The dogs were caught. I can’t see them running around.

6. I guess your right about the cops not wanting to go out but maybe the big wigs should give the Rangers the appropriate equipment to deal with such things?

This is fun!

14 bullets for 2 dogs? bloody hell how do they train the cops to shoot? wonder how many bullets it would take to put down a person on drugs?

So many “couch side” commentators with no experience in this sort of incident. Pfft

Somethings aren’t what they seem and sometimes not anywhere as easy as they present.

p1 said :

makes me wonder if the powers that be are investigating what other options might be added to standard dog catchers bag of tricks.

if it were me investigating, id start equipping them with social skills and personality.

I thought that the ‘Ranger’ was in attendance from all the reports??? The DAS ranger- trained to do all things domestic animals including dangerous dogs I would assume?? The other rangers ACT have are parking inspectors- we know what they do- and park rangers who look after our reserves and can catch snakes and possums and also put down injured kangaroos etc from close range with higher powered rifle.. of which used in this case could have potentially caused more damage with riccochet etc.. and sounds like the dogs were moving.. imagine lining a dog up.. at your ankles with a long rifle.. and not knowing where the bullet might end up!!!
Perhaps the DAS ranger should have called in some additional DAS assistance if he/ she could not do the job..

I can’t help but wonder if there are any other methods which should have been available to the domestic animal dudes for use in situations like this. Considering that they had the dogs cornered all ready, had they had the necessary materiel on hand, could they have:

Erected some sort of temporary fence or barrier, razor wire, electric fence, etc;
Shot at the mutts using some sort of tranquilliser dart gun or equivalent;
Thrown the dogs food laced with some sort of sedative; or
Deployed spotlights, so the dogs were not in a dark corner of the yard.

I have no idea about the usefulness of these or any other options in this situation, but the end result of general duties police needing to fire their guns repeatedly in a urban environment, makes me wonder if the powers that be are investigating what other options might be added to standard dog catchers bag of tricks.

Callipo said :

Northwest9 said :

amarooresident3 said :

Northwest9 said :

so the dog catcher refused to come out… why doesnt that surprise me.

dog catchers become dog catchers because they failed at cop school, some how manage to be too socialy incompetent to even be a bouncer, isnt smart enough or clever enough to be a parking inspector, but because there mothers didnt love them, they need to be in a position of authority, they become the only thing left, a dog catcher.

my wifes 13yo arthritic daschound cross, that is afraid of cats/people/noise/etc, was apparently viciously attacking people.

despite not having left my property (his words), and there was no discussion, i wasnt even allowed to question the charge

Um, the dog catcher did come out if you actually read the story.

you right, i was responding to post #43 but failed to quote him, thus my post about rangers refusing to attend not making sense

however, i do ask, what did the dog catchers achieve in this instance? they managed to corner some pissed off dogs and then call for help, cause they couldnt do the job they are paid to do?

if it requires more than putting fines in mailboxes, they are out of their depth.

First of all you own a Daschund cross, thats probably enough said!!

2. I’ve heard Rangers get paid more than the police.

3. The “dog catchers” kept the dogs from attacking further members of the community by cornering them in (Thats terrible).

4. Rangers don’t carry firearms or OC spray, they carry a pole (WoW!!).

5. What job should of the Rangers carried out Mr expert?? I know, maybe they should of built a rapport with the dogs for a few days,maybe employ a negotiator then invite them over for dinner and take them for a long walk on the beach before taking them to the pound?

I wonder did you get a fine from a Ranger because your crazy Daschound did something wrong?? Probably not as they usually try and educate instead of revenue raising!

Oh by the way it seems that the vicious dogs involved can no longer attack anyone else. I’d call that a great achievement!!!

hello mr ranger,

for the record, the dog belongs to my wife. Its 13 years old, I’ve known my wife for 4 years. Maybe that’s tough for you to grasp, but please do try.

yes, rangers carry a pole, and were unable to use the pole in the manner you were trained in. that’s kind of like a secretary that cant type isn’t it?

paid more than police. woopy do, i hope you spend that 45k wisely.

lets see, what job should the rangers have carried out? i dont know, perhaps catch the dogs, i thought thats what dog catchers did? maybe i was mistaken. like i said, anything more than putting fines in letter boxes and they have to call the police.

the cops must hate helping out those highly paid, yet seemingly incompetent rangers

Northwest9 said :

amarooresident3 said :

Northwest9 said :

so the dog catcher refused to come out… why doesnt that surprise me.

dog catchers become dog catchers because they failed at cop school, some how manage to be too socialy incompetent to even be a bouncer, isnt smart enough or clever enough to be a parking inspector, but because there mothers didnt love them, they need to be in a position of authority, they become the only thing left, a dog catcher.

my wifes 13yo arthritic daschound cross, that is afraid of cats/people/noise/etc, was apparently viciously attacking people.

despite not having left my property (his words), and there was no discussion, i wasnt even allowed to question the charge

Um, the dog catcher did come out if you actually read the story.

you right, i was responding to post #43 but failed to quote him, thus my post about rangers refusing to attend not making sense

however, i do ask, what did the dog catchers achieve in this instance? they managed to corner some pissed off dogs and then call for help, cause they couldnt do the job they are paid to do?

if it requires more than putting fines in mailboxes, they are out of their depth.

First of all you own a Daschund cross, thats probably enough said!!

2. I’ve heard Rangers get paid more than the police.

3. The “dog catchers” kept the dogs from attacking further members of the community by cornering them in (Thats terrible).

4. Rangers don’t carry firearms or OC spray, they carry a pole (WoW!!).

5. What job should of the Rangers carried out Mr expert?? I know, maybe they should of built a rapport with the dogs for a few days,maybe employ a negotiator then invite them over for dinner and take them for a long walk on the beach before taking them to the pound?

I wonder did you get a fine from a Ranger because your crazy Daschound did something wrong?? Probably not as they usually try and educate instead of revenue raising!

Oh by the way it seems that the vicious dogs involved can no longer attack anyone else. I’d call that a great achievement!!!

All you people blaming the ranger i hope you are faced with a situation where you have to fend off one or two aggressive dogs by yourself, good luck losers see how you go and don’t both calling the rangers since you are so against them and i can tell you now the police won’t come either! Great job ranger i am all for the work you do as i have witnessed it first hand as you people have come to my assistance before in a similar situation.

Cpt RAAF- Adgie or GD?

From memory, the ADG mustering was for troops and SNCOs and the GD or Ground Defence category for Officers.
I used to be a Framie…

Thoroughly Smashed5:06 pm 26 Oct 10

Tooks said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Noezis said :

The Glock’s used by the AFP are 9mm handguns

I believe they’re using .40 S&W these days, but there’s not a whole lot of information out there.

Still using Glocks.

If you’re implying the use of “Glocks” precludes the use of that particular calibre, it doesn’t. “.40 S&W” is a handgun cartridge, not a firearm, and Glock makes handguns in no fewer than seven calibres. Numerous Australian state police forces have settled on the .40 S&W chambered Glock 22 but again information for the ACT is difficult to come by.

georgesgenitals4:07 pm 26 Oct 10

mutley said :

iceu- said :

buzz819 said :

How’s about a Neapolitan Mastiff and a Staffie x Pitbull with a bit of mastiff, shephard or other in them?

Neapolitan mastiffs aren’t exactly the most common dogs around, let alone a black one, I’ve never seen one in Canberra, not to say there aren’t a few somewhere. And with the second one…. yes, that was my point…. crossbreed.

Surely you can’t get black Neopolitan Mastiffs? Everyone knows they are brown, white and pink.

Bugger – you beat me to it!

creative_canberran said :

Also wondering, wear was the SRS-TS, given that they have specialist weapons and seem to be deployed to every minor car chase as standard now?
Also, wonder what role tasers would have played?

If the SRS weren’t already on duty, then it would be a long long wait for them to arrive. As far as them being ‘deployed to every minor car chase’ – wrong.

What I don’t get is why police didn’t just do the Cesar Millan dog whisperer trick. “Tsst” fixes all dog behavioural problems.

iceu- said :

buzz819 said :

How’s about a Neapolitan Mastiff and a Staffie x Pitbull with a bit of mastiff, shephard or other in them?

Neapolitan mastiffs aren’t exactly the most common dogs around, let alone a black one, I’ve never seen one in Canberra, not to say there aren’t a few somewhere. And with the second one…. yes, that was my point…. crossbreed.

Surely you can’t get black Neopolitan Mastiffs? Everyone knows they are brown, white and pink.

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Noezis said :

The Glock’s used by the AFP are 9mm handguns

I believe they’re using .40 S&W these days, but there’s not a whole lot of information out there.

Still using Glocks.

Captain RAAF said :

It’s amazing how many animal control and firearm experts read RA and have contributed to this thread in such a short space of time!

Well, it can happen you know. I was a dog handler and a small arms coach and close quarter battle trained with the pistol.

As for capsicum/pepper spray on dogs, save your efforts and reach for a big gun! We soaked attack arms in the stuff to see if it would affect the dogs, nothing. We sprayed the dogs as they charged in, nothing. These were GSD and Malinois and they are so prey driven it didn’t matter what you did to them, once they had you lined up the only thing that could stop them was the handler…..most of the time.

A shotgun and a load of SG’s = dead dog, every patrol car should have one.

the more I read of Capt RAAF the more I think of Walter Mitty (ker pockata, ker pockata, ker pockata….)

buzz819 said :

How’s about a Neapolitan Mastiff and a Staffie x Pitbull with a bit of mastiff, shephard or other in them?

Neapolitan mastiffs aren’t exactly the most common dogs around, let alone a black one, I’ve never seen one in Canberra, not to say there aren’t a few somewhere. And with the second one…. yes, that was my point…. crossbreed.

Thoroughly Smashed11:21 am 26 Oct 10

p1 said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

I believe they’re using .40 S&W these days, but there’s not a whole lot of information out there.

I know that the Vic cops are in the process of getting the .40 S&Ws, but I though the ACT still had glocks?

They can have it both ways, the full size Glock 22 is chambered in .40 S&W.

Thoroughly Smashed said :

I believe they’re using .40 S&W these days, but there’s not a whole lot of information out there.

I know that the Vic cops are in the process of getting the .40 S&Ws, but I though the ACT still had glocks?

Captain RAAF10:52 am 26 Oct 10

Two dog catchers with a mad stick each (pole with a noose on the end) could have done it, one at a time of course.

or, as I said earlier, two shots with a 12 gauge, bang bang, dogs dead, move along nothing to see here!

Thoroughly Smashed10:52 am 26 Oct 10

Noezis said :

The Glock’s used by the AFP are 9mm handguns

I believe they’re using .40 S&W these days, but there’s not a whole lot of information out there.

iceu- said :

Probably a bit redundant as what these dogs did was horrible, but the breed descriptions annoy me….

None of the common mastiff breeds come in black. I haven’t seen the dogs but I’m sure the 60kg one was a big, black, crossbreed.

Also, 35kg is huge for a pit bull/staffy cross. Pit bulls should weigh no more than 30kg and staffies no more than 15kg. I know there are a lot of badly bred dogs out there that are above this, but it sounds like a stab in the dark at the breed to me, and likely this dog was a random crossbreed as well that looked a bit like a pit bull.

Such powerful dogs in the wrong hands are just a disaster waiting to happen.

How’s about a Neapolitan Mastiff and a Staffie x Pitbull with a bit of mastiff, shephard or other in them?

In defence of the dog catcher – one bloke with a pole and a lasso seems a little inadequate for catching 2 dogs willing to take a good bite out of him. If he catches one the other still bites him. His is a job which is a little more dangerous than a papercut.

Sensationalist media stories focus on Police actions as opposed to irresponsible dog owners or the number of attacks the dogs made. It seems that these dogs would have killed a child easily.

The lady with the two toddlers was extremely lucky.

I heard on the radio this morning that the owner was being interviewed by police, so I daresay they found them without much bother.

A pair of dogs attacked my daughter on Saturday 25 September in Charnwood. They were with the owner at the time and he laughed at the attack, telling her off for being stupid.
I hope the owner of the shot dogs was stupid enough to have them microchipped because then the cops will know who he is and can get some taser practice.

amarooresident3 said :

Northwest9 said :

so the dog catcher refused to come out… why doesnt that surprise me.

dog catchers become dog catchers because they failed at cop school, some how manage to be too socialy incompetent to even be a bouncer, isnt smart enough or clever enough to be a parking inspector, but because there mothers didnt love them, they need to be in a position of authority, they become the only thing left, a dog catcher.

my wifes 13yo arthritic daschound cross, that is afraid of cats/people/noise/etc, was apparently viciously attacking people.

despite not having left my property (his words), and there was no discussion, i wasnt even allowed to question the charge

Um, the dog catcher did come out if you actually read the story.

you right, i was responding to post #43 but failed to quote him, thus my post about rangers refusing to attend not making sense

however, i do ask, what did the dog catchers achieve in this instance? they managed to corner some pissed off dogs and then call for help, cause they couldnt do the job they are paid to do?

if it requires more than putting fines in mailboxes, they are out of their depth.

Woody Mann-Caruso9:36 am 26 Oct 10

not fired by a horizontally diving police officer performing a john woo style action film sequence

Aww. 🙁

amarooresident39:25 am 26 Oct 10

Northwest9 said :

so the dog catcher refused to come out… why doesnt that surprise me.

dog catchers become dog catchers because they failed at cop school, some how manage to be too socialy incompetent to even be a bouncer, isnt smart enough or clever enough to be a parking inspector, but because there mothers didnt love them, they need to be in a position of authority, they become the only thing left, a dog catcher.

my wifes 13yo arthritic daschound cross, that is afraid of cats/people/noise/etc, was apparently viciously attacking people.

despite not having left my property (his words), and there was no discussion, i wasnt even allowed to question the charge

Um, the dog catcher did come out if you actually read the story.

Probably a bit redundant as what these dogs did was horrible, but the breed descriptions annoy me….

None of the common mastiff breeds come in black. I haven’t seen the dogs but I’m sure the 60kg one was a big, black, crossbreed.

Also, 35kg is huge for a pit bull/staffy cross. Pit bulls should weigh no more than 30kg and staffies no more than 15kg. I know there are a lot of badly bred dogs out there that are above this, but it sounds like a stab in the dark at the breed to me, and likely this dog was a random crossbreed as well that looked a bit like a pit bull.

Such powerful dogs in the wrong hands are just a disaster waiting to happen.

Thumper Jr said :

Ameristralian said :

Skidbladnir-

“Pics or it didnt happen.”

Mate…. you want pics?????
I was there, I am the one who got interviewed by prime news. I am currently trying everything in my power to forget what i has seen and heard that night. I cant sleep at night and all you care about is pics.

Calm down princess, we’ve all seen things we’d prefer to forget, but if your worst is police shooting a dog you’ve been incredibly lucky.

When this went up, I was under the cynical (but fair) impression that this was just more Charnwood gossip.
No facts just heresay, no photos, no supporting evidence, no supportive comments, no comments from police.

Check the damn timestamps on the story, comment, and AFP media release.

Captain RAAF said :

Your mate can’t have been much of a ‘pistol shooting champion’ if anything beyond 10 mtrs was almost impossible. We are taught from 25 mtrs down to 10 mtrs. Requirement to go to the stan was 25 out of 40 into a saucer sized circle at 25 mtrs. Yours truly, 39/40….pulled one and not happy about it.

Captain RAAF said :

Well, it can happen you know. I was a dog handler and a small arms coach and close quarter battle trained with the pistol.

As for capsicum/pepper spray on dogs, save your efforts and reach for a big gun! We soaked attack arms in the stuff to see if it would affect the dogs, nothing. We sprayed the dogs as they charged in, nothing. These were GSD and Malinois and they are so prey driven it didn’t matter what you did to them, once they had you lined up the only thing that could stop them was the handler…..most of the time.

Pics or it didn’t happen

Woody Mann-Caruso8:52 am 26 Oct 10

the stan

The what?

Captain RAAF8:36 am 26 Oct 10

It’s amazing how many animal control and firearm experts read RA and have contributed to this thread in such a short space of time!

Well, it can happen you know. I was a dog handler and a small arms coach and close quarter battle trained with the pistol.

As for capsicum/pepper spray on dogs, save your efforts and reach for a big gun! We soaked attack arms in the stuff to see if it would affect the dogs, nothing. We sprayed the dogs as they charged in, nothing. These were GSD and Malinois and they are so prey driven it didn’t matter what you did to them, once they had you lined up the only thing that could stop them was the handler…..most of the time.

A shotgun and a load of SG’s = dead dog, every patrol car should have one.

so the dog catcher refused to come out… why doesnt that surprise me.

dog catchers become dog catchers because they failed at cop school, some how manage to be too socialy incompetent to even be a bouncer, isnt smart enough or clever enough to be a parking inspector, but because there mothers didnt love them, they need to be in a position of authority, they become the only thing left, a dog catcher.

my wifes 13yo arthritic daschound cross, that is afraid of cats/people/noise/etc, was apparently viciously attacking people.

despite not having left my property (his words), and there was no discussion, i wasnt even allowed to question the charge

ConanOfCooma8:17 am 26 Oct 10

10 guage – Leave no room for error.

I was there and managed to get a photo of the Police ready to shoot…

http://www.galleryc.net/artist-image/animation/jonesc001007.html

Thumper Jr said :

Mate…. you want pics?????

How old are you.?

I was there, I am the one who got interviewed by prime news. I am currently trying everything in my power to forget what i has seen and heard that night. I cant sleep at night and all you care about is pics.

Steady on Junior, pics tell a story. Strange post noting you say you “can’t sleep at night” and that you’re “trying everything in my power to forget what I has seen and heard that night”. Seeing as your post was submitted on the same day the dogs got topped what night are you talking about exactly?

creative_canberran12:59 am 26 Oct 10

Not that I would advocate becoming more like the US, but in many American Police forces, most patrol vehicles carry an extra shot gun or carbine in the boot. Given I can recall now 5 incidents this year wear police have had to shoot animals in public, perhaps the time has come to equip officers with something more appropriate for this task.

Also wondering, wear was the SRS-TS, given that they have specialist weapons and seem to be deployed to every minor car chase as standard now?
Also, wonder what role tasers would have played?

BerraBoy68 said :

As for pepper spray, if I was a cop in that situation, I think I’d go for the glock too!

Davo111 said :

true, but there was two of them

One can spray, once can shoot.

*Facepalm*

Yes, of course. OC/’Capsicum’ spray is exactly the sort of thing you’d want to be using against two massive dogs that have already ‘gone off’ in low/no visibility in a dark backyard – that’ll be sure to calm things down quick smart so they can be safely removed eh?

It’s amazing how many animal control and firearm experts read RA and have contributed to this thread in such a short space of time!

They shoot horses, don’t they?

Ameristralian said :

Skidbladnir-

“Pics or it didnt happen.”
Give me your email address and I’ll send you pictures of what the dogs did to me. I was one of the people attacked yesterday walking in my neighborhood (Fraser) around 3pm. I saw the two dogs and crossed the street to keep my distance, the pit bull came up behind me and bit me in the leg and then the hand. I was terrified as I am also pregnant. THe only thing I could do was scream and they let go. The animal control people did say something about shots being fired when they called me today, and that the dogs will be put down, but nothing about whether or not they were hit or how many they shot. The police called me this morning and are doing a formal investigation. Sad as I don’t think it is really the dog’s fault as much as the owner and I hope that they fine the bastards.

Mate…. you want pics?????

How old are you.?

I was there, I am the one who got interviewed by prime news. I am currently trying everything in my power to forget what i has seen and heard that night. I cant sleep at night and all you care about is pics.

Jazz said :

The bullet that went through the window was indeed a ricochet, not fired by a horizontally diving police officer performing a john woo style action film sequence.

That’s a shame, they could have used it in the current recruiting ads.

I have been told by a reliable source that there were actually 13 shots fired.

Both dogs sustained shots to the head in addition to other gunshot wounds. At least one of the dogs received two head shots which I can only assume was the 60kg mastiff although i neglected to ask. This of course somewhat proves that they were indeed hell beasts or just large cranky animals. For future police training it would seem that one headshot is apparently insufficient to fell the hellbeast.

The bullet that went through the window was indeed a ricochet, not fired by a horizontally diving police officer performing a john woo style action film sequence.

Just saw the story on a prime update. Why is everyone blaming the ranger? The owners of those dogs are to blame. Lucky they didn’t kill anyone.

The Traineediplomat10:39 pm 25 Oct 10

This talk about handguns is redundant. I have a Type-V Romulan Disruptor which can F**K up a dog from quite a distance I can tell you…

BerraBoy68 said :

As for pepper spray, if I was a cop in that situation, I think I’d go for the glock too!

true, but there was two of them

One can spray, once can shoot.

chewy14 said :

This story was on channel 7 news this evening and they had pictures of the broken window supposedly hit by a bullet.
It will be interesting to find out what actually happened.

My armchair commentator guess here is that with 14 (give or take) bullets going into the corner that the dogs were in, one has gone through the fence, deviated when it’s hit, and gone through the window.

Pretty unlucky, but given the accounts on here of the dogs being down in a dark corner of the yard, it’s sounding a bit like it was a spray and pray type of operation. I’m guessing there was inadequate fencing, or no gate on the yard – I’d have thought that once in the yard, locking them in and figuring out a plan of action would have been better than unloading a glock in surburbia?

But I guess it’s all pretty easy here in my armchair.

Davo111 said :

I’d like to hear how many shots actually hit the animals, and how many missed. Yes the dogs were moving, but i’m sure they stopped once in a while. Dogs can also be pepper sprayed.

After watching (the very scientific) police shows on channel 10, i can safetly say the standard on the pistol range isn’t that high.

I don’t think after watching a reality show on TV you can safely say anything:)
I’d suggest the biggest factor in missing even an easy (i.e. still) target is adrenalin. I’ve shot everything from 9mm handguns though to 50 cal. machine guns and “can safely say” a person is more prone to miss a target that they’d normally hit when placed under pressure… and being in a back yard with two killer dogs would certainly provide that pressure. As for pepper spray, if I was a cop in that situation, I think I’d go for the glock too!

Just be thankful the police didn’t have 9mm sub-machine guns. You can let the whole mag go on those suckers and you’d be lucky if any round other than the first hit what you were aiming at.

I’ll think you’ll find the dogs looked something like this:

http://www.google.com.au/images?q=ghostbusters dog&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=tVzFTOWTGImxccOV_MwN&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQsAQwAA&biw=1280&bih=647

I’d like to hear how many shots actually hit the animals, and how many missed. Yes the dogs were moving, but i’m sure they stopped once in a while. Dogs can also be pepper sprayed.

After watching (the very scientific) police shows on channel 10, i can safetly say the standard on the pistol range isn’t that high.

Noezis said :

The Glock%u2019s used by the AFP are 9mm handguns and don%u2019t have much in the way of stopping power. According to the AFP media release one of the dogs weighed 60kg.
I also imagine those dogs were not standing still when they were being shot at, and people, this isn%u2019t the movies and the bad guys don%u2019t get shot between the eyes from 15 metres.

A former work colleague who was a pistol shooting champion in the Marines said that hitting a stationary target with any accuracy at all beyond 10 mtrs with a handgun was almost impossible.
So unless you%u2019re a Victorian cop, you would struggle to shoot the side of a house from 2 metres away.

Some fact here and some fiction. I was a small arms instructor in the Navy and have owned several handguns. A glock can be quite accurate well beyond 10 meters. In fact they can go as far as 50 meters but only have an effective range of 25 meters (i.e. you’d go down if hit at that range). Basically, with some training you’d have to be a bit of a knob not to hit a decent sized target at 10 meters. As most militaries use a figure 11 target (i.e. a life size image of someone coming towards you) I’d be prepared to say a marine that couldn’t hit this type of target at 10 meters would be considered a poor shot by Aussie standards.

However, you are quite right that dogs are relatively small targets and tend to move around especially if wounded. I’d also bet that the intent to finish the job of killing these dogs was paramount as I’d certainly hate to be around a wounded and angry pit bull and mastif. Personally, I think the police would have had a tough time hitting the dogs to get an effective kill shot.

This story was on channel 7 news this evening and they had pictures of the broken window supposedly hit by a bullet.
It will be interesting to find out what actually happened.

georgesgenitals8:38 pm 25 Oct 10

Captain RAAF said :

….pulled one and not happy about it.

Someone want to pull the trigger…?

clampett said :

It was my house, 1 of the dogs was very large but they were both savage.. The police had no choice as the ranger refused to come out. These dogs couldnt be caught by the dog catcher as they tried to attack him… The police did not want to do this, the dogs were in a very dark corner and were hard to see so most shots didnt hit. I blame the ranger and the dog owners,,,, the police were very caring and supportive

Are you for real?? The police should of attended regardless. The number one role for the police is to ensure public safety. The police are caring and supportive because they carry guns and have an adequate number of staff. The ranger has a pole! Thats it!!! The Ranger works alone! The police usually turn up with a minimum of 10 officers! The penny pinchers at TAMS need to dramatically increase the budget for Domestic Animal Services so they can put on more rangers and to ensure their safety. Every time a attack takes place it looks bad on the rangers who really want to do a good job. How would you like to take on two crazy dogs by yourself with only a dog pole and minimal training? Yes the owners need to be dealt with more severely but Domestic Animal Services need the resources to do it, without that we are just blowing %$#%# up hill and this will happen again!!

Deref said :

Did they shoot the dogs’ owner? No? Fail.

No, they took pity on him having to live with an obviously microscopic penis.

I’m just concerned by the apparent hand-gun expertise shown by Riot-actors and wonder if its because they like shooting things (alarming) or just take a perverse interest in how things work (also potentially alarming)

neanderthalsis said :

Have you ever seen police try to shoot anything? One trip to the range a year to loose off a few rounds doesn’t make a super sniper.

Most General Duties coppers are wildly inaccurate and tend to opt for the “spray and pray” marksmanship method of putting a lot of rounds in the general direction of the target and praying that one does the trick.

That plus the Glock is only really accurate to 10 metres and when faced with a couple of angry doggies maybe they wanted a bit of distance between them and their target.

Untrue on every count – congratulations!

Seems your comments are wildly inaccurate and you’ve opted for the “spray and pray” method of putting a lot of inaccuracies in the general direction of the target in the hope of…. something?

The Glock is accurate over longer distances than 10 meters and to suggest otherwise indicates a certain lack of understanding regarding this topic.

Have a nice day.

Did they shoot the dogs’ owner? No? Fail.

Captain RAAF7:20 pm 25 Oct 10

Noezis said :

A former work colleague who was a pistol shooting champion in the Marines said that hitting a stationary target with any accuracy at all beyond 10 mtrs with a handgun was almost impossible.
So unless you%u2019re a Victorian cop, you would struggle to shoot the side of a house from 2 metres away.

Your mate can’t have been much of a ‘pistol shooting champion’ if anything beyond 10 mtrs was almost impossible. We are taught from 25 mtrs down to 10 mtrs. Requirement to go to the stan was 25 out of 40 into a saucer sized circle at 25 mtrs. Yours truly, 39/40….pulled one and not happy about it.

I can avg a 1″ group at 10 mtrs consistantly, it aint hard but of course dogs jumping around in the semi darkness couldn’t be easy and I don’t blame plod for spraying em’ around but they should be able to call up units equipped with the right toys for these tasks i.e something with more hitting power!

ConanOfCooma7:14 pm 25 Oct 10

ARGH! Cover the leg!

Vic police would have done a better job

Mike Bessenger said :

14 shots? The police officer should of got off his Harly first.

Mike

For future efforts in prose, the correct way to write this would have been:

The Police Officer should have alighted from his Harley first.

I believe speed cameras are to blame

GottaLoveCanberra said :

Wow the naivety in regards to pistol shooting is pretty extreme here.
Hitting anything beyond a dozen meters or so with a pistol gets pretty hard, more so if it’s small and moving around in the dark.

I agree with GLC here, hitting anything with a pistol at range is actually kind of hard.

But 14 shots on cornered dogs at short enough range to call it ‘cornered’ and hitting the house at window height (ie: leaping dogs, barely-below-eyeline shots, or excessively low windows) just seems strange.

Please TrickyXR, show pictures of the bullet-holed window.

GottaLoveCanberra5:46 pm 25 Oct 10

Wow the naivety in regards to pistol shooting is pretty extreme here.
Hitting anything beyond a dozen meters or so with a pistol gets pretty hard, more so if it’s small and moving around in the dark.

Maybe they were kneecapping the dogs first, IRA-style. That would account for 8 shots at least.

“The police had no choice as the ranger refused to come out. These dogs couldnt be caught by the dog catcher as they tried to attack him%u2026 The police did not want to do this, the dogs were in a very dark corner and were hard to see so most shots didnt hit. I blame the ranger and the dog owners,,,”

Steady on, Sue-Ellen! (Or Clampett, I believe.) The dog catcher IS a ranger! Because of TAMS penny-pinching, the ranger/dog catcher would have been working on his own with nothing other than a long pole with a lasso on it. Give the guy a break!

And yet again, a pit bull is blamed. Is anyone certain one of the dogs was a pitbull, or is that just a convenient label for a vicious dog? Not diminshing the gravity of the situation – just sayin’ pitbulls often get blamed for crimes committed by other dogs.

Hells_Bells745:12 pm 25 Oct 10

clampett – that’s good to hear. I hope something much more pleasant comes your way next and gosh, being a cop isn’t for the faint-hearted that’s for sure.

Mike Bessenger5:07 pm 25 Oct 10

14 shots? The police officer should of got off his Harly first.

amarooresident34:32 pm 25 Oct 10

Glad it ended without anyone getting killed. Now what about those drain cats…

astrojax said :

a shot dog entered your friend’s back window?

Well played, sir.

If only the police had had more tasers.

Affirmative Action Man4:05 pm 25 Oct 10

I believe the dogs had mental health problems. One had a wooden sword & the other one was wielding a kitchen knife.

Did the ranger refuse to come out because it was a Sunday? We had a couple of large dogs wandering around our street a couple of years back – fortunately not attacking anyone, or looking aggressive, but we tried to do the right thing, call Canberra Connect, and get someone out…only to be told they didn’t work on the weekend.

Apparently it’s ok for dogs to roam the neighbourhood on a weekend.

Hells_Bells743:42 pm 25 Oct 10

Sorry to hear that, I’m glad it let go though, Ameristralian.

Must’ve been very terrifying for you and the neighbours near the scene, at least everyone gets their peace back now by sounds.

They don’t go down without a fight, those kind of dogs gone crazy. Some have gone on with barely an eyeball left in their head. You can only feel so bad for it, chilling as it must’ve sounded.

amarooresident33:40 pm 25 Oct 10

Having read the press release it’s bloody lucky that the dogs didn’t kill anyone,especially as there were toddlers involved. Given the size and reported temperment of the dogs I can understand it taking a number of shots to put them down.

eyeLikeCarrots3:35 pm 25 Oct 10

I heard the dog was just taking his wallet out.

racial profiling again. just because they’re stray dogs doesn’t mean they don’t contribute to society. what if they held great jobs?

no one thinks of that…

Note that the media release went up after I commented.
If there was a media release at the time, I would have actually been a believer.
Normally AFP media are pretty good at predicting the RiotACT interest, this time they seem to have dropped the ball.

(Anyone with access to the media release feed want to provide a timestamp of the outgoing email?)

With a lack of photos, no supporting evidence, and a “my friend said” story, the natural assumption for us jaded types is that the outlandish claims are indeed fictional.
Hence the ‘pics or it didn’t happen’.

I will however withdraw some of the disparagement, since the police are verifying at least half of your story.

Now, if only you could show us bullet holes in property…

It was my house, 1 of the dogs was very large but they were both savage.. The police had no choice as the ranger refused to come out. These dogs couldnt be caught by the dog catcher as they tried to attack him… The police did not want to do this, the dogs were in a very dark corner and were hard to see so most shots didnt hit. I blame the ranger and the dog owners,,,, the police were very caring and supportive

The Glock%u2019s used by the AFP are 9mm handguns and don%u2019t have much in the way of stopping power. According to the AFP media release one of the dogs weighed 60kg.
I also imagine those dogs were not standing still when they were being shot at, and people, this isn%u2019t the movies and the bad guys don%u2019t get shot between the eyes from 15 metres.

A former work colleague who was a pistol shooting champion in the Marines said that hitting a stationary target with any accuracy at all beyond 10 mtrs with a handgun was almost impossible.
So unless you%u2019re a Victorian cop, you would struggle to shoot the side of a house from 2 metres away.

movie*

Spoono said :

14 bullets? I would have nuked it from space.

Only way to be sure… (best movioe ever!)

I’m looking forward to another another round of the “there’s no such thing as a dangerous breed” argument now.

If it took 14 shots… it took 14 shots… big deal. It was only excessive if they were already ‘looked after’ after the first couple of shots. Try telling the people who were attacked that 14 shots was “overkill”…

14 Bullets…

Damn.

Who knew dogs got high on PCP?

ConanOfCooma3:17 pm 25 Oct 10

Should have hit them with a tranq and saved them for Question Time up at the Tee-Pee.

Clebs said :

@ Skidbladnir

Thanks for the link DIRECTLY TO the Media Release!

Guess witnesses AND victims of the attack must have been right all along… pictures or no.

😉

http://www.police.act.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/act/2010/october/dogs-shot-by-police-after-series-of-attacks.aspx

Thanks for that not just a bit of fiction after all, However they didnt release all the info ie: 14 shoots 1 into bedroom window

Skidbladnir said :

Pics or it didnt happen.

Normally a ‘shot fired in a populated area‘ incident deserves a media release, and there hasn’t been one (yet).
Two dogs requiring 14 bullets from trained police only several feet away and incurring damage to private property‘ is:
1) a pair of hellbeasts, and
2) would probably be cause a formal complaint to the police, not simple community gossip on RiotACT.

I Also would have thought that the police would have issued a media release, However if they missed that many shots maybe they are concerned about the public backlash.

In my previous (ACT area) employment I was required to shoot injured roos – often in suburban areas. No media releases for those. We used 303s and it took some careful aiming to get the most humane hit – preferably with one shot. If there were calls to euthanise a roo we did it over the phone – the police heard the 2-way and could often get there before us – just to fire a weapon. We found one policeman ghost-white and visibly shaken after shooting at and missing an injured roo (ie not moving) 6 times with his glock. I imagine two vicious and cornered dog are not as easy to aim at – let alone hit with a handgun. To me the quoted number of shots is very plausible.

@ Skidbladnir

Thanks for the link DIRECTLY TO the Media Release!

Guess witnesses AND victims of the attack must have been right all along… pictures or no.

😉

http://www.police.act.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/act/2010/october/dogs-shot-by-police-after-series-of-attacks.aspx

Wow, I though that Rebecca Massey had moved to Ngunnawal.

Ameristralian3:09 pm 25 Oct 10

Email sent. Photos are poor quality as it is with my iphone, but it’s the best I have at the moment. I was extremely fortunate nothing worse happened than a cut on the hand and a softball size swollen knot on the calf. It wasn’t the biting that was the issue for me, it was the sheer attack in itself and knowing no one was around to stop them if they wouldn’t have on their own.

It does sound like some enthusiastic overkill boom boom…

to ameristralian, i do hope you and yours in utero, particularly the latter, are both ok now.

georgesgenitals2:48 pm 25 Oct 10

Me no fry said :

georgesgenitals said :

Yeah well that dog should stayed the hell outta the way of my Ingram Mac 10.

That’ll learn those damn dogs. What do you think of the Mac 10? I prefer the Czech-made Skorpion.

This just sounded like a ‘spray-and-pray’ kind of job.

Ameristralian2:44 pm 25 Oct 10

Skidbladnir-

“Pics or it didnt happen.”
Give me your email address and I’ll send you pictures of what the dogs did to me. I was one of the people attacked yesterday walking in my neighborhood (Fraser) around 3pm. I saw the two dogs and crossed the street to keep my distance, the pit bull came up behind me and bit me in the leg and then the hand. I was terrified as I am also pregnant. THe only thing I could do was scream and they let go. The animal control people did say something about shots being fired when they called me today, and that the dogs will be put down, but nothing about whether or not they were hit or how many they shot. The police called me this morning and are doing a formal investigation. Sad as I don’t think it is really the dog’s fault as much as the owner and I hope that they fine the bastards.

@Clebs

Someone who was there comes forward, only on the RiotACT!!

14 shots? It does sound like some enthusiastic overkill, and if they were planning on using their weapons it could have been advisable to warn those in the area .. but maybe they turned up and the pit bull went all Cujo on them and … and … yeah.

Woody Mann-Caruso2:43 pm 25 Oct 10

Second hand information is rarely accurate.

Yeah, I heard the same thing from some guy once.

So are the dogs dead yet?

trickyxr said :

Solidarity said :

My friend said it was 144 bullets, 60 of which missed and hit several innocent children!

Weirdo what sort of comment is that. Very strange some people

I believe they were pointing out that your apparent belief in the extravagant claim of your friend is a bit stupid. Second hand information is rarely accurate.

The “shoot-out” happened in my direct next door neighbour’s yard. We had just arrived home from dinner (10:15 pm approx) to find cop cars parked around our driveway. We were still outside when the gun shots started and we thought we counted 15 in total. It did seem extremely over the top. Dogs were barking, howling, and then horrible yelping for a good while (obviously the mastif that they were putting down). It was disturbing and concerning all at once. WAY too many shots fired in a suburban neighbourhood with extremely close back yards, for 1 dog. A worry.

Thoroughly Smashed1:37 pm 25 Oct 10

trickyxr said :

Solidarity said :

My friend said it was 144 bullets, 60 of which missed and hit several innocent children!

Weirdo what sort of comment is that. Very strange some people

I agree, posting something non sequitur on the internet for its comedy value? the nerve of some people. What a freak.

14 bullets? I would have nuked it from space.

georgesgenitals said :

Yeah well that dog should stayed the hell outta the way of my Ingram Mac 10.

That’ll learn those damn dogs. What do you think of the Mac 10? I prefer the Czech-made Skorpion.

Cops have to have target practice from time to time.
In saying that if and only if, they had the time they should have cleared out the neighbour%u2019s home prior to shooting the dog.
But then again we weren’t there and neither were you, so maybe the force exerted was the force required.

Pics or it didnt happen.

Normally a ‘shot fired in a populated area‘ incident deserves a media release, and there hasn’t been one (yet).
Two dogs requiring 14 bullets from trained police only several feet away and incurring damage to private property‘ is:
1) a pair of hellbeasts, and
2) would probably be cause a formal complaint to the police, not simple community gossip on RiotACT.

My friend tells me they shot about 14 bullets into the dogs and 1 enterd their back window.

a shot dog entered your friend’s back window?

inaugural mully cup to the dog owner?

I hope the police saved some bullets for the owners.

Gungahlin Al12:57 pm 25 Oct 10

Back to the target range for a bit more practice perhaps?

Reminds me of years ago when my parents had a rogue young bull (with existing form for tearing through multpile fences) ready for the abbatoir but couldn’t get it yarded. The local officer came out to drop it but took a half dozen shots to do the job.

trickyxr said :

Solidarity said :

My friend said it was 144 bullets, 60 of which missed and hit several innocent children!

Weirdo what sort of comment is that. Very strange some people

Believe Solidarity was eluding to the fact the amount of bullets fired is only heresay.
My friend said it was 14 rounds, whos friend said it was 12, whos friend said it was only 10

Seems like a very elaborate way of explaining a broken window.

neanderthalsis12:51 pm 25 Oct 10

Have you ever seen police try to shoot anything? One trip to the range a year to loose off a few rounds doesn’t make a super sniper. Most General Duties coppers are wildly inaccurate and tend to opt for the “spray and pray” marksmanship method of putting a lot of rounds in the general direction of the target and praying that one does the trick.

That plus the Glock is only really accurate to 10 metres and when faced with a couple of angry doggies maybe they wanted a bit of distance between them and their target.

Solidarity said :

My friend said it was 144 bullets, 60 of which missed and hit several innocent children!

Weirdo what sort of comment is that. Very strange some people

Woody Mann-Caruso12:49 pm 25 Oct 10

Ingram Mac 10, singular? You’re doing it wrong. One in each hand, held sideways, gangsta-style. Alternatively, leaping sideways through the air to the right, left knee raised, looking over your left shoulder, both clips pointing left, over-and-under yakuza style.

I heard the dogs returned fire with mortars and air support.

Man, I hope those were the two dogs I called the police about. They’d had a good go at a poor girl outside Fraser primary who thankfully got off with only a few scratches and bruises. Nice job by your friend to round them before they did any more harm.

Next against the wall: whoever the hell owned them.

georgesgenitals11:58 am 25 Oct 10

Yeah well that dog should stayed the hell outta the way of my Ingram Mac 10.

My friend said it was 144 bullets, 60 of which missed and hit several innocent children!

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