Probing the polls: ChooseCBR vouchers and electric vehicle choices

Genevieve Jacobs 5 June 2021 17
Mitsubishi electric vehicle

The ACT Government is promising two years of free registration for zero-emissions vehicles. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

Voters are evenly split on the ChooseCBR vouchers after the ACT Government announced an additional $2 million for the scheme.

The model was trialled last year and copped its fair share of criticism, and this time around, some argued that Canberra’s economy is now well past its pandemic problems.

Jack Lloyd said: “It’s free money, so if I don’t it’s really my own fault.” But russianafroman disagreed, writing: “Nup let people spend their money how they want, including donating their money to charity, don’t convert money to vouchers, put the 2 million into things that actually matter.”

We asked, Will you be using the ChooseCBR vouchers? A total of 610 readers voted and the votes were split down the middle.

Your choices were to vote: No, the economy is fine, and the money is better spent elsewhere. This received 50 per cent of the total, or 306 votes. Alternatively, you could vote Yes, it’s a sensible way to help small business and people doing it tough. This also received 50 per cent of the total.

This week, we’re wondering whether you are ready to buy an electric vehicle.

The ACT Government has announced two years’ free registration for new and used electric vehicles acquired after 24 May, in addition to new EVs being exempt from stamp duty. Columnist James Coleman argues that there’s never been a better time to think about ditching your petrol or diesel drive. Combined, the incentives will take about 5 per cent off the cost of an EV.

READ ALSO: The EVs you can buy right now and what they’ll cost you

But many readers were less than convinced this was a good idea.

Angus Fung wrote: “Ev car’s battery can be dead if no charging station is provided in the city.”

Martin Stanton said: “It doesn’t matter to me how good these cars are, nor how far they get on a charge. I’ll never afford one on my wage, new or even worse, used. Low income earner getting close to my last days of work. The fuel I use will be the last thing on my mind, there’ll be far more important things to find money for!!”

But Woody Brenden is a fan, writing: “I just got a new Tesla Model 3 after driving a diesel for 10 years. Cannot even begin to describe how much better the experience is. I did my first road trip to the South Coast yesterday and it was so much fun to drive. So much for Scotty from marketing claiming that EVs were gonna cause the end of the weekend.”

Our question this week is:

Will you buy an electric vehicle?

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17 Responses to Probing the polls: ChooseCBR vouchers and electric vehicle choices
Julie Macklin Julie Macklin 2:18 pm 07 Jun 21

Here's an interesting article comparing Electric cars to Hydrogen, with some relevant comments.

"Tests by AAA of battery-powered vehicles ( show a 40% range reduction at 20 degrees F with the heater running, and a 17 percent reduction at 95 degrees when using the A/C."

20 degrees F (-6.6C, which is experienced in Canberra, and certainty south in snow areas), 95 degrees (35C, which we often exceed here in Canberra, and many other places in Australia are hotter than us)

It compares EVs to Hydrogen cars, and compares the distances they each could drive.

    デ スティーブ デ スティーブ 6:21 am 08 Jun 21

    Julie Macklin, rubbish.

    Many modern EVs are now using heat pumps which are significantly more efficient than ICE heat exchangers or electric coils traditionally used for heating.

    It's a flawed anecdontal analysis based on a hypothetical hydrogen equivalent of the F-150 EV without any real world test.

    The performance assumptions are completely off.

    Julie Macklin Julie Macklin 1:46 pm 08 Jun 21

    デ スティーブ Real use is the best test; not in some factory. My present car rarely manages the fuel consumption in real driving, that the manufactures claim for it, for instance. The real world, is that a car on a long trip, is likely to be loaded down with people, luggage and in remote areas of Australia, camping gear, food, water, etc.

    An EV at present still can't go where I on occasions drive to, and I'm not alone with that. That is the relevant information you and others advocating EVs need to wake up to. Australia is a large country, where many people expect to be able to drive up to a 700 kms a day. Some drive further. This is often in places where there is no mains power. Most won't do this everyday, but in the lifetime of a car (15years for my last, 25 years for the one pre to that) the car will likely be driven several times on long drives.

    Now, why do you find the need to write your name in katakana? You aren't Japanese; hence katakana.

Anura Samara Anura Samara 11:08 am 07 Jun 21

I'm convinced my next car will be an EV. The ACT Government's incentives definitely improve the price per km comparison.

A Nonny Mouse A Nonny Mouse 10:42 pm 06 Jun 21

The question doesn’t cover all options. There was no option to say ‘I already have an electric car that I don’t anticipate replacing for a long time, so, no, I won’t be buying an electric car any time soon and I certainly won’t be buying a fossil fuel car ever again.’.

David Hennessy David Hennessy 10:15 pm 06 Jun 21

Without a plan to recycle solar and lithium batteries, EV is just not that environmentally friendly. You’re just offsetting fossil fuel use for the medium term with massively greater use in the short term for manufacturing.

    デ スティーブ デ スティーブ 6:14 am 08 Jun 21

    David Hennessy not true. The additional fossil fuels used to EV manufacturing compared to ab ICE ehicle is offset by use in a matter of years.

    デ スティーブ デ スティーブ 6:15 am 08 Jun 21

    David Hennessy the IET ran some articles about this last year.

    デ スティーブ デ スティーブ 6:16 am 08 Jun 21

    David Hennessy

Woody Brenden Woody Brenden 9:42 pm 06 Jun 21

I pulled the trigger on getting an EV a few weeks ago. Loving it! Faster, safer and more comfortable than any other vehicle I've driven before. Haven't had any issue charging with current infrastructure in Canberra although more chargers definitely wouldn't hurt.

デ スティーブ デ スティーブ 8:13 pm 06 Jun 21

Yes, EV in a few years.

One of biggest issues are a lack of EV parking and charging infrastructure. The State and Territory Governments need to do a lot more to enable a transition.

It also doesn't make much sense at the moment when 60% of Australian's electricity comes from coal. Sure you can pair it with solar and home batteries, which works well, but not if you are renting property.

    Jorge Gatica Jorge Gatica 9:43 pm 06 Jun 21

    デ スティーブ closer to 80%

    デ スティーブ デ スティーブ 6:13 am 08 Jun 21

    Jorge Gatica

kiraric kiraric 2:20 pm 06 Jun 21

The $15,000 offered by the ACT Government is a zero interest loan and not cash. It does not reduce the price of the car but rather the cost of ownership, considering cars are often purchased with some form of credit. The most commonly sold electric car is the Nissan Leaf for $61,000 (article in The RiotACT this week). The governments registrations charges are free for two years, but that does not include insurance. Insurance is expensive (cost of ownership) than registration. If you do not drive much, capital, insurance and maintenance costs are most of what any car costs. The cost of fuel is the biggest difference. Will that be enough?

    Capital Retro Capital Retro 8:56 am 08 Jun 21

    The “fuel” for EVs may be cheaper than petrol but the battery will clap out within 10 years so a replacement battery then will cost more than the car is worth. So, even if your new EV sits in the garage the depletion of the battery will cost you about $2,000 a year.

    I have 21 year old petrol powered vehicle which has done 320,000km and still as good as new with no major, costly replacement of parts.

    I doesn’t get any better than that.

    chewy14 chewy14 3:47 pm 08 Jun 21

    Capital Retro,
    Once again showing you aren’t really paying attention to the market or trends.
    Firstly, I have no idea where you are pulling your figures for depreciation from, looks like you’re just making them up.

    Secondly, what do you think the cost of replacement batteries will be in 10 years? Hint, far, far less than they are now. Take a look at the cost trends per kWhr over recent years, they’re only going to go lower as the technology advances and new types of batteries emerge.

    Also, your statement about the maintenance costs of your petrol powered vehicle made me laugh out loud. You clearly don’t keep very good records if it’s miraculously required no maintenance or new parts in that 20 years. Petrol powered vehicles are inherently more complicated than EVs. Various fluids, wires, plugs, timing belts, brakes etc are all significantly more costly for ICE vehicles or aren’t needed for EV’s. Your one example of the battery is almost the only thing that’s worse and as above, the costs are reducing significantly every year.

    I honestly think you would still be riding a horse if you were around before Cars existed.

    “Why would I want a car with all that petrol and maintenance costs, my horse just eats hay”

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