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Raiderettes facing the axe

By johnboy 11 December 2013 53

The Herald Sun brings the unexpected news that the Canberra Raiders are thinking about disposing with their dancing girls:

In an historic move, Raiders chief executive Don Furner told The Daily Telegraph that his club was “reviewing the club’s game-day entertainment.”

“We have always had them but research among our fans indicates it might be time for a change,” Furner said. “It’s not definite but we are reviewing our game day entertainment.”

Furner denied the move was based around any female exploitation.

“There are a couple of reasons,” he said. “One, it is quite cold and a big ask for the woman, particularly during night games. And, two, cost.

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LadyxBec 2:49 pm 12 Dec 13

2604 said :

gungsuperstar said :

Of course this is about exploitation – the Raiderettes are sponsored, and they only get paid casually anyway. And as I mentioned, they already do rug up when it’s cold.

But ditching the Raiderettes for reasons of exploitation is not a bad thing. It’s time the NRL got with the times.

How can it be ‘exploitation’ when they’re doing it on a voluntary basis? If they don’t like the terms and conditions of the job and feel they’re being exploited, they can quit at any time.

I’d also love to know how having cheerleaders constitutes sexism. The uniforms are no more revealing than women’s beach volleyball uniforms. Cheerleading is an officially recognized sport – my secretary’s seven year old daughter does it, in fact – and the fact is that it’s not only males watching the Raiderettes, plenty of young girls attending the game also get into it.

Cheerleading the sport is very different to Australian cheerleaders at the footy. What the Raiderettes do is much closer to dancing than the gymnastics and tricks performed in competative cheerleading.

(Incidentally, in 2010 an American court found that cheerleading is not a sport for the purpose of title IX)

Solidarity 2:04 pm 12 Dec 13

The cheerleaders like being cheerleaders! If they didn’t like being cheerleaders, they wouldn’t be cheerleaders. All this is doing is denying people happiness.

Antagonist 1:27 pm 12 Dec 13

2604 said :

I’d also love to know how having cheerleaders constitutes sexism.

I have to say that I share the confusion. On the one hand, I am sexist if I say I enjoy watching the cheerleaders. On the other hand, I am sexist if I suggest that a woman cannot make her own (empowering) choice to cheerlead. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

As for Furner’s claim that ‘we have always had them’, well I call BS. I don’t recall ever seeing cheerleaders out at Seifert Oval in the early days of Raiders. Not one.

BimboGeek 11:58 am 12 Dec 13

Ben_Dover, when I was dancing burlesque it was at Sinsations. And snobbery has nothing to do with the reason children weren’t allowed in!

If my 18 year old daughter wants to become a stripper then I’ll help her learn how to do it without getting hurt but if my 7 year old daughter wanted to become a cheerleader I’d enrol her in real dance classes with age appropriate costumes, no sexual content and little chance of eating disorder. I know some responsible ballet teachers. Jo McKinley would probably be my top choice.

bigfeet 11:19 am 12 Dec 13

gungsuperstar said :

2604 said :

Using this argument, magazines such as Playboy, Penthouse and Zoo are not exploiting women, because they get paid for it.

Money doesn’t change the fact that the subject is being exploited.

It’s an extremely weak argument.

What I find ‘weak’ is the patronizing attitude of ‘These women are being exploited but they are just too dumb to know it. They are incapable of making decisions or judgements about themselves or their lifestyle. Luckily I am intelligent enough to tell them and will now make decisions for them’

Stevian 11:00 am 12 Dec 13

LFL

Need I say more?

Ben_Dover 10:24 am 12 Dec 13

BimboGeek said :

As poetix explained, Bogan Burlesque. There’s nothing wrong with burlesque of course but in the 21st century perhaps it belongs in a more appropriate setting. If cheerleaders were simply leading the crowd in cheering then they wouldn’t need to be young women, they wouldn’t need to wear sexy uniforms and be subjected to comments on their sex appeal or arguments on the womens rights issues. Cheerleading contests are usually held in adult venues and sponsored by adult magazines because that’s their true audience.

(Bogan) burlesque belongs in a “more appropriate” setting? 🙄 Suggest one?

So now, what if there is an audience for “bogan burlesque”, and women who want to indulge/participate in it, why should it not go ahead?

I love the snobbery of; “burlesque is ok, but only on my terms, you cannot have men from the lower classless enjoying it!”

Burlesque, it’s only for middle class hipsters you know, because they watch it in an ironic manner.

BimboGeek 10:17 am 12 Dec 13

Ben_Dover said :

BimboGeek said :

Cheerleading is a sport in the same sense that pole dancing is a sport.

And gymnastics, sychronised swimming, diving etc. If they are judged as sports so can cheerleading be.

BimboGeek said :

You can go to “for fitness” classes but if you’re doing it professionally then we all know what that means.

Ok, I’ll bite, what dies it mean?

As poetix explained, Bogan Burlesque. There’s nothing wrong with burlesque of course but in the 21st century perhaps it belongs in a more appropriate setting. If cheerleaders were simply leading the crowd in cheering then they wouldn’t need to be young women, they wouldn’t need to wear sexy uniforms and be subjected to comments on their sex appeal or arguments on the womens rights issues. Cheerleading contests are usually held in adult venues and sponsored by adult magazines because that’s their true audience.

chewy14 10:17 am 12 Dec 13

gungsuperstar said :

2604 said :

gungsuperstar said :

Of course this is about exploitation – the Raiderettes are sponsored, and they only get paid casually anyway. And as I mentioned, they already do rug up when it’s cold.

But ditching the Raiderettes for reasons of exploitation is not a bad thing. It’s time the NRL got with the times.

How can it be ‘exploitation’ when they’re doing it on a voluntary basis? If they don’t like the terms and conditions of the job and feel they’re being exploited, they can quit at any time.

Using this argument, magazines such as Playboy, Penthouse and Zoo are not exploiting women, because they get paid for it.

Money doesn’t change the fact that the subject is being exploited.

It’s an extremely weak argument.

Yes it is a very weak argument that you think you can define people as being “exploited” if you don’t like the free choices they make.

If you have free will and make a choice to do something then you’re not being exploited. Otherwise nearly every worker is being exploited, forced to do something they wouldnt otherwise do for money. Oh the humanity.

gungsuperstar 8:37 am 12 Dec 13

2604 said :

gungsuperstar said :

Of course this is about exploitation – the Raiderettes are sponsored, and they only get paid casually anyway. And as I mentioned, they already do rug up when it’s cold.

But ditching the Raiderettes for reasons of exploitation is not a bad thing. It’s time the NRL got with the times.

How can it be ‘exploitation’ when they’re doing it on a voluntary basis? If they don’t like the terms and conditions of the job and feel they’re being exploited, they can quit at any time.

Using this argument, magazines such as Playboy, Penthouse and Zoo are not exploiting women, because they get paid for it.

Money doesn’t change the fact that the subject is being exploited.

It’s an extremely weak argument.

Ben_Dover 5:45 am 12 Dec 13

BimboGeek said :

Cheerleading is a sport in the same sense that pole dancing is a sport.

And gymnastics, sychronised swimming, diving etc. If they are judged as sports so can cheerleading be.

BimboGeek said :

You can go to “for fitness” classes but if you’re doing it professionally then we all know what that means.

Ok, I’ll bite, what dies it mean?

BimboGeek 10:34 pm 11 Dec 13

Cheerleading is a sport in the same sense that pole dancing is a sport. You can go to “for fitness” classes but if you’re doing it professionally then we all know what that means.

2604 9:11 pm 11 Dec 13

gungsuperstar said :

Of course this is about exploitation – the Raiderettes are sponsored, and they only get paid casually anyway. And as I mentioned, they already do rug up when it’s cold.

But ditching the Raiderettes for reasons of exploitation is not a bad thing. It’s time the NRL got with the times.

How can it be ‘exploitation’ when they’re doing it on a voluntary basis? If they don’t like the terms and conditions of the job and feel they’re being exploited, they can quit at any time.

I’d also love to know how having cheerleaders constitutes sexism. The uniforms are no more revealing than women’s beach volleyball uniforms. Cheerleading is an officially recognized sport – my secretary’s seven year old daughter does it, in fact – and the fact is that it’s not only males watching the Raiderettes, plenty of young girls attending the game also get into it.

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