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Road Rage Bait

By Aleximus 3 September 2010 120

Driving to work at normal peak hour time on Coppins Crossing Road, a cluster of cyclists with an escort vehicle driving along at 20kph up the hill.

The queue of cars behind this bunch of inconsiderate idiots stretched all the way back over the horizon…

Needless to say, there were a few unhappy drivers when they finally managed to overtake those whackers.

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p1 7:00 pm 16 Sep 10

Imwatchinu said :

…the Govt after all happily collects taxes of motorsport related vehicles but do not supply anywhere for ppl to use them then wonder why suburbs are being tormented with 12yr olds racing around on Motocross bikes.

I kinda fail to see why the government should have to “supply” a place, that surely is something a private business could undertake (as they already do, with hill climbs, demolition derbies etc). Although, the fact that at previous elections various people and parties have undertaken to develop the sport does put some responsibility to pony up.

It will be another debate altogether when one day someone actually wants to build a facility in Canberra and tries to get the appropriate approvals through council the assembly.

Jim Jones said :

You mean ‘cars’.

In his defence, there are also bikes, which he mentions in the same sentence. And lets not forget tractor racing.

🙂

KB1971 5:54 pm 16 Sep 10

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

Excess diesel smoke.

They do it from factory to keep piston temperatures under heavy acceleration down, to prevent heatspots forming on piston heads.

ADR’s legislated in 1975 say this can happen for up to 11 seconds

However, ADR’s from 1975 don’t apply to cars built in 1966!

So i’m perfectly legally allowed to continue to blanket cyclists.

One thing I missed before, you obviously dont know how a diesel ignights its fuel.

The force of compression ignights the fuel and if you feed more fuel (which causes you black smoke) then that INCREASES combustion tempreatures making the piston more likely to overheat & melt.

Heavy accelleration = more fuel = ingreased combustion tempreatures.

KB1971 5:51 pm 16 Sep 10

Imwatchinu said :

I will happily accept road closures/delays for Cycling events and the stupid flower show if the V8s were to return to Canberra, or they built a dedicated motorsport facility here, the Govt after all happily collects taxes of motorsport related vehicles but do not supply anywhere for ppl to use them then wonder why suburbs are being tormented with 12yr olds racing around on Motocross bikes. Said facility would be used by a wide range of the community, not just ‘rev heads’ – the schools could easily test their electric vehicles for example and we all know motorsport, specifically racing has developed many of the technologies we use and see in today’s cars. The sooner races for Electric/Hybrid (read green) vehicles are started the faster the technology will be developed and used by Joe Average.

So until that time, fuk the cyclists and fuk Floriade. I will laugh at every rear ender car accident at the lights after Commonwealth Ave bridge due to Floriade so if you hear a horn tooting you’ll know who it is.

I was with you (even though its a little OT) until your last paragraph.

Jim Jones 5:16 pm 16 Sep 10

Imwatchinu said :

the Govt after all happily collects taxes of motorsport related vehicles

You mean ‘cars’.

Imwatchinu said :

but do not supply anywhere for ppl to use them

like … roads?

Imwatchinu 4:40 pm 16 Sep 10

I will happily accept road closures/delays for Cycling events and the stupid flower show if the V8s were to return to Canberra, or they built a dedicated motorsport facility here, the Govt after all happily collects taxes of motorsport related vehicles but do not supply anywhere for ppl to use them then wonder why suburbs are being tormented with 12yr olds racing around on Motocross bikes. Said facility would be used by a wide range of the community, not just ‘rev heads’ – the schools could easily test their electric vehicles for example and we all know motorsport, specifically racing has developed many of the technologies we use and see in today’s cars. The sooner races for Electric/Hybrid (read green) vehicles are started the faster the technology will be developed and used by Joe Average.

So until that time, fuk the cyclists and fuk Floriade. I will laugh at every rear ender car accident at the lights after Commonwealth Ave bridge due to Floriade so if you hear a horn tooting you’ll know who it is.

Postalgeek 4:19 pm 16 Sep 10

Solidarity said :

Well, the only conclusion I draw from that is that you need a life.

Nice parody of a common motorist mentality, Solidarity. To paraphrase: anyone thinking slower than me is an idiot, while anyone thinking faster than me needs a life.

KB1971 12:46 pm 16 Sep 10

I have quite a satisfying life, cycling is a big part of that satisfaction.

Also vehicle safety standards & the motor trage have been my job since 1988 😉

Solidarity 11:56 am 16 Sep 10

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

Excess diesel smoke.

They do it from factory to keep piston temperatures under heavy acceleration down, to prevent heatspots forming on piston heads.

ADR’s legislated in 1975 say this can happen for up to 11 seconds

However, ADR’s from 1975 don’t apply to cars built in 1966!

So i’m perfectly legally allowed to continue to blanket cyclists.

Ok so let me get this straight, 1966 Toyota Landcruiser with a 2H engine, am I correct?

In 1966 the Toyota Landcruiser was supplied to the Austrlian market in petrol only (F155 6 cylinder). 2H diesels were not supplied to the market until around 1980 (not 100% sure of the implementation date) in the 60 Series Landcruiser. The 40 Series was supplied with a H diesel & a 3B 4 cylinder diesel but only from about 1978 until it was superceded in 1984.

So this makes your mates Cruiser a modified prduction vehicle then?

ACT Regulations for engine swaps stipulate that the vehicle must meet the emission control requirments of the date of manufacture of the engine or vehicle, whichever is later. So if it is a 2H then giving you the benifit of doubt the earliest engine would be built circa 1980.

So on the 1st July 1976, ADR30 came into being. A 2H engine would have to comply with this ADR & therefore that modified vehicle will have to regardless of its original year of manufacture.

Having a read of ADR 30 ( http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/pdf/30.pdf ) the vehicle is to be tested at operating temperature at full load within 4 different ranges. The opacity of the smoke is then measured and compared to a list of opacity readings listed in table 1 of the ADR.

Nowhere in the ADR does it mention “blow smoke for 11 seconds”.

So this brings me to a vehicle built in 1966 (which is not appliccable anyway as the vehicle has been modified presumably), the draft consolidated regulations that apply to vehicles built prior to 1 January 1971 (the introduction date of the first ADR being ADR1) have to comply with.

These regs (which I cant find a copy of on the net but I have at work) state that a vehicle cannot blow smoke for more than 10 seconds (from memory) AFTER START UP.

So did colourful sydney racing identity hit the nail on the head?

Well, the only conclusion I draw from that is that you need a life.

KB1971 11:21 am 16 Sep 10

Sgt.Bungers said :

dvaey said :

buzz819 said :

He has two cars, so pays for Rego on both of those, but doesn’t drive them as he is riding a bike, therefore the rego cost’s him more per kilometer then it does for you

Theres a guy getting around on a black unregistered Ducati who probably owns a couple of cars, who likes the sound of your idea.

It doesnt matter if you have a whole fleet of 30 registered cars at home, if you get caught on the road in a vehicle without registration youll still be ticketed for being unregistered (bikes exempt of course).

Wrong.

It doesn’t matter if you have a whole fleet of 30 registered MOTOR vehicles at home…

Regsitration only applies to vehicles driven by a MOTOR.

Push bikes are human powered, therefore cannot be registered. It would be a violation of basic human rights. The same reason row boats are not registered.

Start registering bicycles, then it wont be long before people on foot will be required to wear registration plates as well.

Correct, the Motor Vehicle Standards Act actually stipulates a bicycle that is powered must be less than 200watts, if it is above then the vehicle must be certified to the Audtrlian Design Rules.

KB1971 11:18 am 16 Sep 10

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

Excess diesel smoke.

They do it from factory to keep piston temperatures under heavy acceleration down, to prevent heatspots forming on piston heads.

ADR’s legislated in 1975 say this can happen for up to 11 seconds

However, ADR’s from 1975 don’t apply to cars built in 1966!

So i’m perfectly legally allowed to continue to blanket cyclists.

Ok so let me get this straight, 1966 Toyota Landcruiser with a 2H engine, am I correct?

In 1966 the Toyota Landcruiser was supplied to the Austrlian market in petrol only (F155 6 cylinder). 2H diesels were not supplied to the market until around 1980 (not 100% sure of the implementation date) in the 60 Series Landcruiser. The 40 Series was supplied with a H diesel & a 3B 4 cylinder diesel but only from about 1978 until it was superceded in 1984.

So this makes your mates Cruiser a modified prduction vehicle then?

ACT Regulations for engine swaps stipulate that the vehicle must meet the emission control requirments of the date of manufacture of the engine or vehicle, whichever is later. So if it is a 2H then giving you the benifit of doubt the earliest engine would be built circa 1980.

So on the 1st July 1976, ADR30 came into being. A 2H engine would have to comply with this ADR & therefore that modified vehicle will have to regardless of its original year of manufacture.

Having a read of ADR 30 ( http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/pdf/30.pdf ) the vehicle is to be tested at operating temperature at full load within 4 different ranges. The opacity of the smoke is then measured and compared to a list of opacity readings listed in table 1 of the ADR.

Nowhere in the ADR does it mention “blow smoke for 11 seconds”.

So this brings me to a vehicle built in 1966 (which is not appliccable anyway as the vehicle has been modified presumably), the draft consolidated regulations that apply to vehicles built prior to 1 January 1971 (the introduction date of the first ADR being ADR1) have to comply with.

These regs (which I cant find a copy of on the net but I have at work) state that a vehicle cannot blow smoke for more than 10 seconds (from memory) AFTER START UP.

So did colourful sydney racing identity hit the nail on the head?

Sgt.Bungers 10:49 am 16 Sep 10

dvaey said :

buzz819 said :

He has two cars, so pays for Rego on both of those, but doesn’t drive them as he is riding a bike, therefore the rego cost’s him more per kilometer then it does for you

Theres a guy getting around on a black unregistered Ducati who probably owns a couple of cars, who likes the sound of your idea.

It doesnt matter if you have a whole fleet of 30 registered cars at home, if you get caught on the road in a vehicle without registration youll still be ticketed for being unregistered (bikes exempt of course).

Wrong.

It doesn’t matter if you have a whole fleet of 30 registered MOTOR vehicles at home…

Regsitration only applies to vehicles driven by a MOTOR.

Push bikes are human powered, therefore cannot be registered. It would be a violation of basic human rights. The same reason row boats are not registered.

Start registering bicycles, then it wont be long before people on foot will be required to wear registration plates as well.

PBO 9:56 am 16 Sep 10

vg said :

Are you really an ex-Fed? If you aren’t why are you pretending to be so?

Federal Wildlife officer

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

Excess diesel smoke.

They do it from factory to keep piston temperatures under heavy acceleration down, to prevent heatspots forming on piston heads.

ADR’s legislated in 1975 say this can happen for up to 11 seconds

However, ADR’s from 1975 don’t apply to cars built in 1966!

So i’m perfectly legally allowed to continue to blanket cyclists.

So really, you’re just a dickhead then?

Solidarity 8:41 am 16 Sep 10

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

Excess diesel smoke.

They do it from factory to keep piston temperatures under heavy acceleration down, to prevent heatspots forming on piston heads.

ADR’s legislated in 1975 say this can happen for up to 11 seconds

However, ADR’s from 1975 don’t apply to cars built in 1966!

So i’m perfectly legally allowed to continue to blanket cyclists.

KB1971 9:04 pm 15 Sep 10

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

Excess diesel smoke.

vg 7:32 pm 15 Sep 10

Are you really an ex-Fed? If you aren’t why are you pretending to be so?

ExFeds 6:56 pm 15 Sep 10

dvaey said :

buzz819 said :

He has two cars, so pays for Rego on both of those, but doesn’t drive them as he is riding a bike, therefore the rego cost’s him more per kilometer then it does for you

Theres a guy getting around on a black unregistered Ducati who probably owns a couple of cars, who likes the sound of your idea.

It doesnt matter if you have a whole fleet of 30 registered cars at home, if you get caught on the road in a vehicle without registration youll still be ticketed for being unregistered (bikes exempt of course).

Not if your Grimma!

Solidarity 3:45 pm 15 Sep 10

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

buzz819 3:08 pm 15 Sep 10

dvaey said :

buzz819 said :

He has two cars, so pays for Rego on both of those, but doesn’t drive them as he is riding a bike, therefore the rego cost’s him more per kilometer then it does for you

Theres a guy getting around on a black unregistered Ducati who probably owns a couple of cars, who likes the sound of your idea.

It doesnt matter if you have a whole fleet of 30 registered cars at home, if you get caught on the road in a vehicle without registration youll still be ticketed for being unregistered (bikes exempt of course).

Yeah you kinda missed the point of that… AND I think you will find that it was an Augusta not a Ducatti…

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