3 September 2010

Road Rage Bait

3 September 2010 | Aleximus

Driving to work at normal peak hour time on Coppins Crossing Road, a cluster of cyclists with an escort vehicle driving along at 20kph up the hill.

The queue of cars behind this bunch of inconsiderate idiots stretched all the way back over the horizon…

Needless to say, there were a few unhappy drivers when they finally managed to overtake those whackers.

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p17:00 pm 16 Sep 10

Imwatchinu said :

…the Govt after all happily collects taxes of motorsport related vehicles but do not supply anywhere for ppl to use them then wonder why suburbs are being tormented with 12yr olds racing around on Motocross bikes.

I kinda fail to see why the government should have to “supply” a place, that surely is something a private business could undertake (as they already do, with hill climbs, demolition derbies etc). Although, the fact that at previous elections various people and parties have undertaken to develop the sport does put some responsibility to pony up.

It will be another debate altogether when one day someone actually wants to build a facility in Canberra and tries to get the appropriate approvals through ~~council~~ the assembly.

Jim Jones said :

You mean ‘cars’.

In his defence, there are also bikes, which he mentions in the same sentence. And lets not forget tractor racing.

🙂

KB19715:54 pm 16 Sep 10

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

Excess diesel smoke.

They do it from factory to keep piston temperatures under heavy acceleration down, to prevent heatspots forming on piston heads.

ADR’s legislated in 1975 say this can happen for up to 11 seconds

However, ADR’s from 1975 don’t apply to cars built in 1966!

So i’m perfectly legally allowed to continue to blanket cyclists.

One thing I missed before, you obviously dont know how a diesel ignights its fuel.

The force of compression ignights the fuel and if you feed more fuel (which causes you black smoke) then that INCREASES combustion tempreatures making the piston more likely to overheat & melt.

Heavy accelleration = more fuel = ingreased combustion tempreatures.

KB19715:51 pm 16 Sep 10

Imwatchinu said :

I will happily accept road closures/delays for Cycling events and the stupid flower show if the V8s were to return to Canberra, or they built a dedicated motorsport facility here, the Govt after all happily collects taxes of motorsport related vehicles but do not supply anywhere for ppl to use them then wonder why suburbs are being tormented with 12yr olds racing around on Motocross bikes. Said facility would be used by a wide range of the community, not just ‘rev heads’ – the schools could easily test their electric vehicles for example and we all know motorsport, specifically racing has developed many of the technologies we use and see in today’s cars. The sooner races for Electric/Hybrid (read green) vehicles are started the faster the technology will be developed and used by Joe Average.

So until that time, fuk the cyclists and fuk Floriade. I will laugh at every rear ender car accident at the lights after Commonwealth Ave bridge due to Floriade so if you hear a horn tooting you’ll know who it is.

I was with you (even though its a little OT) until your last paragraph.

Jim Jones5:16 pm 16 Sep 10

Imwatchinu said :

the Govt after all happily collects taxes of motorsport related vehicles

You mean ‘cars’.

Imwatchinu said :

but do not supply anywhere for ppl to use them

like … roads?

Imwatchinu4:40 pm 16 Sep 10

I will happily accept road closures/delays for Cycling events and the stupid flower show if the V8s were to return to Canberra, or they built a dedicated motorsport facility here, the Govt after all happily collects taxes of motorsport related vehicles but do not supply anywhere for ppl to use them then wonder why suburbs are being tormented with 12yr olds racing around on Motocross bikes. Said facility would be used by a wide range of the community, not just ‘rev heads’ – the schools could easily test their electric vehicles for example and we all know motorsport, specifically racing has developed many of the technologies we use and see in today’s cars. The sooner races for Electric/Hybrid (read green) vehicles are started the faster the technology will be developed and used by Joe Average.

So until that time, fuk the cyclists and fuk Floriade. I will laugh at every rear ender car accident at the lights after Commonwealth Ave bridge due to Floriade so if you hear a horn tooting you’ll know who it is.

Postalgeek4:19 pm 16 Sep 10

Solidarity said :

Well, the only conclusion I draw from that is that you need a life.

Nice parody of a common motorist mentality, Solidarity. To paraphrase: anyone thinking slower than me is an idiot, while anyone thinking faster than me needs a life.

KB197112:46 pm 16 Sep 10

I have quite a satisfying life, cycling is a big part of that satisfaction.

Also vehicle safety standards & the motor trage have been my job since 1988 😉

Solidarity11:56 am 16 Sep 10

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

Excess diesel smoke.

They do it from factory to keep piston temperatures under heavy acceleration down, to prevent heatspots forming on piston heads.

ADR’s legislated in 1975 say this can happen for up to 11 seconds

However, ADR’s from 1975 don’t apply to cars built in 1966!

So i’m perfectly legally allowed to continue to blanket cyclists.

Ok so let me get this straight, 1966 Toyota Landcruiser with a 2H engine, am I correct?

In 1966 the Toyota Landcruiser was supplied to the Austrlian market in petrol only (F155 6 cylinder). 2H diesels were not supplied to the market until around 1980 (not 100% sure of the implementation date) in the 60 Series Landcruiser. The 40 Series was supplied with a H diesel & a 3B 4 cylinder diesel but only from about 1978 until it was superceded in 1984.

So this makes your mates Cruiser a modified prduction vehicle then?

ACT Regulations for engine swaps stipulate that the vehicle must meet the emission control requirments of the date of manufacture of the engine or vehicle, whichever is later. So if it is a 2H then giving you the benifit of doubt the earliest engine would be built circa 1980.

So on the 1st July 1976, ADR30 came into being. A 2H engine would have to comply with this ADR & therefore that modified vehicle will have to regardless of its original year of manufacture.

Having a read of ADR 30 ( http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/pdf/30.pdf ) the vehicle is to be tested at operating temperature at full load within 4 different ranges. The opacity of the smoke is then measured and compared to a list of opacity readings listed in table 1 of the ADR.

Nowhere in the ADR does it mention “blow smoke for 11 seconds”.

So this brings me to a vehicle built in 1966 (which is not appliccable anyway as the vehicle has been modified presumably), the draft consolidated regulations that apply to vehicles built prior to 1 January 1971 (the introduction date of the first ADR being ADR1) have to comply with.

These regs (which I cant find a copy of on the net but I have at work) state that a vehicle cannot blow smoke for more than 10 seconds (from memory) AFTER START UP.

So did colourful sydney racing identity hit the nail on the head?

Well, the only conclusion I draw from that is that you need a life.

KB197111:21 am 16 Sep 10

Sgt.Bungers said :

dvaey said :

buzz819 said :

He has two cars, so pays for Rego on both of those, but doesn’t drive them as he is riding a bike, therefore the rego cost’s him more per kilometer then it does for you

Theres a guy getting around on a black unregistered Ducati who probably owns a couple of cars, who likes the sound of your idea.

It doesnt matter if you have a whole fleet of 30 registered cars at home, if you get caught on the road in a vehicle without registration youll still be ticketed for being unregistered (bikes exempt of course).

Wrong.

It doesn’t matter if you have a whole fleet of 30 registered MOTOR vehicles at home…

Regsitration only applies to vehicles driven by a MOTOR.

Push bikes are human powered, therefore cannot be registered. It would be a violation of basic human rights. The same reason row boats are not registered.

Start registering bicycles, then it wont be long before people on foot will be required to wear registration plates as well.

Correct, the Motor Vehicle Standards Act actually stipulates a bicycle that is powered must be less than 200watts, if it is above then the vehicle must be certified to the Audtrlian Design Rules.

KB197111:18 am 16 Sep 10

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Solidarity said :

KB1971 said :

Rego No please so I can report the defect………

Defect in what way?

Excess diesel smoke.

They do it from factory to keep piston temperatures under heavy acceleration down, to prevent heatspots forming on piston heads.

ADR’s legislated in 1975 say this can happen for up to 11 seconds

However, ADR’s from 1975 don’t apply to cars built in 1966!

So i’m perfectly legally allowed to continue to blanket cyclists.

Ok so let me get this straight, 1966 Toyota Landcruiser with a 2H engine, am I correct?

In 1966 the Toyota Landcruiser was supplied to the Austrlian market in petrol only (F155 6 cylinder). 2H diesels were not supplied to the market until around 1980 (not 100% sure of the implementation date) in the 60 Series Landcruiser. The 40 Series was supplied with a H diesel & a 3B 4 cylinder diesel but only from about 1978 until it was superceded in 1984.

So this makes your mates Cruiser a modified prduction vehicle then?

ACT Regulations for engine swaps stipulate that the vehicle must meet the emission control requirments of the date of manufacture of the engine or vehicle, whichever is later. So if it is a 2H then giving you the benifit of doubt the earliest engine would be built circa 1980.

So on the 1st July 1976, ADR30 came into being. A 2H engine would have to comply with this ADR & therefore that modified vehicle will have to regardless of its original year of manufacture.

Having a read of ADR 30 ( http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/pdf/30.pdf ) the vehicle is to be tested at operating temperature at full load within 4 different ranges. The opacity of the smoke is then measured and compared to a list of opacity readings listed in table 1 of the ADR.

Nowhere in the ADR does it mention “blow smoke for 11 seconds”.

So this brings me to a vehicle built in 1966 (which is not appliccable anyway as the vehicle has been modified presumably), the draft consolidated regulations that apply to vehicles built prior to 1 January 1971 (the introduction date of the first ADR being ADR1) have to comply with.

These regs (which I cant find a copy of on the net but I have at work) state that a vehicle cannot blow smoke for more than 10 seconds (from memory) AFTER START UP.

So did colourful sydney racing identity hit the nail on the head?

KB19713:52 pm 14 Sep 10

buzz819 said :

JTACT said :

Yeah, I don’t care what you said to Azza. Two vehicles, that’s nice, but off the topic. Yeah I like using caps lock, my choice. I think you have bigger problems maybe you should ‘finded’ them and see if they have any ‘substanc’. Now that’s said I CAN CORRECT YOU. A portion of rego fees do go towards the upkeep of our roads, the roads that you ride your little bike on. The fees also include CTPI premiums which are forwarded to NRMA. Paying these fee’s is compulsary and should be for cyclist’s also. In addition, a small percentage of the rego fee goes towards the road safety trust which helps to enhance road safety awareness for the benefit of the ‘community’ – the ‘safety awareness’ includes the rights of cyclist’s, even though they don’t contribute like the rest of us. Then there is the portion of the rego fee that goes towards the road rescue services such as the ambulance, and we all know you cyclists frequently require rescuing when you have your little stacks. Until cyclist’s come upto scratch with the rest of us, they will always the fighting a lost cause. I’m not trying to take away anyones rights, just asking for a even and fair platform for both parties. I am also very familiar with the road rules, in particular how cyclist’s are subject to the same road rules as motorist’s which when they break are not held accountable as there is no way of identifying/ report offenders. The section you refer to ‘on how MOTORISTS have to give way to people on push bikes’ is the section where motorists must give way to cyclists in the ‘cyclists lane’, but they are far and few between so have fun when you’re pumping those little legs in the standard lanes. Oh and yeah um, we are not in the minority really, and you know it.

He has two cars, so pays for Rego on both of those, but doesn’t drive them as he is riding a bike, therefore the rego cost’s him more per kilometer then it does for you, I’m guessing you probably drive to your neighbor’s caravan. Yes I know, just because of the way you talk and use cap lock I am guessing you live at the Southside Caravan park.

I’m not the biggest fan of cyclists on the road, but have become a lot more accepting of a lot of behavior of late. My new motto, if what someone else is doing, is really not going to change the way your life goes on tomorrow, or the next day, what’s the point of getting upset?

If the worst thing in your life to complain about is someone riding a push bike, maybe you should sit back and relax and realise that life really isn’t that bad…

Thats exactly my point buzz.

J, you really are an angry man but you actually made some valid points in your post above. You originally stated or inferred that all the rego/insurance/taxes go to roads, which is incorrect. The latter statement is correct however the funding comes from consolidated revenue (as I have already said).

Have a read here regarding the rules for motorists with regards to cyclists, you might be surprised (it doesnt just apply to cycle lanes):

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/64482/Part_E_-_Other_Road_Users_2010.pdf

I have ambulance cover, whats your point??

Can you please show me the stats on how many ambulances are called to cycle crashes compared to motor vehicle crashes to quantify your point?

I have TPI coverage with my Pedal Power membership, whats your point??

I am not defending what other bike users do, breaking the rules is breaking the rules..

Im 6’2″ so my legs are hardly little.

Touche on the spelling though, you are right on there.

When it all comes down to it, many people are entitled to use the roads from pedestrians to Road Trains. People like yourself need to just relax & smell the roses as you dont own it, nor do I. Yep people piss me off everyday while driving/riding/bussing to work but thats life, I deal with it with a smile.

You need to learn to deal with it, you are in the minority as most people here dont care or are happy to wait.

JTACT3:21 pm 14 Sep 10

buzz819 said :

JTACT said :

Yeah, I don’t care what you said to Azza. Two vehicles, that’s nice, but off the topic. Yeah I like using caps lock, my choice. I think you have bigger problems maybe you should ‘finded’ them and see if they have any ‘substanc’. Now that’s said I CAN CORRECT YOU. A portion of rego fees do go towards the upkeep of our roads, the roads that you ride your little bike on. The fees also include CTPI premiums which are forwarded to NRMA. Paying these fee’s is compulsary and should be for cyclist’s also. In addition, a small percentage of the rego fee goes towards the road safety trust which helps to enhance road safety awareness for the benefit of the ‘community’ – the ‘safety awareness’ includes the rights of cyclist’s, even though they don’t contribute like the rest of us. Then there is the portion of the rego fee that goes towards the road rescue services such as the ambulance, and we all know you cyclists frequently require rescuing when you have your little stacks. Until cyclist’s come upto scratch with the rest of us, they will always the fighting a lost cause. I’m not trying to take away anyones rights, just asking for a even and fair platform for both parties. I am also very familiar with the road rules, in particular how cyclist’s are subject to the same road rules as motorist’s which when they break are not held accountable as there is no way of identifying/ report offenders. The section you refer to ‘on how MOTORISTS have to give way to people on push bikes’ is the section where motorists must give way to cyclists in the ‘cyclists lane’, but they are far and few between so have fun when you’re pumping those little legs in the standard lanes. Oh and yeah um, we are not in the minority really, and you know it.

He has two cars, so pays for Rego on both of those, but doesn’t drive them as he is riding a bike, therefore the rego cost’s him more per kilometer then it does for you, I’m guessing you probably drive to your neighbor’s caravan. Yes I know, just because of the way you talk and use cap lock I am guessing you live at the Southside Caravan park.

I’m not the biggest fan of cyclists on the road, but have become a lot more accepting of a lot of behavior of late. My new motto, if what someone else is doing, is really not going to change the way your life goes on tomorrow, or the next day, what’s the point of getting upset?

If the worst thing in your life to complain about is someone riding a push bike, maybe you should sit back and relax and realise that life really isn’t that bad…

How do you know how much he rides/ drives or how much I do – that’s no justification for cyclists not paying rego ? what are we going to do now – look at it on a case by case basis and work out how often people ride/ drive ? doesn’t work like that. What about people who have a bike and no car – what’s your rule for them ? back to the same old problem with the same old solution. How can you judge how I ‘talk’ – I think you mean type/ write (another correction I’ve had to make for you) YOUR COMMENT RE THE SOUTHSIDE CARAVAN PARK WAS NOT VERY NICE, I DON’T LIVE THERE BUT I DO KNOW SOME VERY NICE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, SOME OF WHO ALSO ENJOY THE FREEDOM OF THIS OPEN FORUM AND WHO ARE ACTUALLY CYCLISTS ! REAL CANBERRAN’S DON’T PUT DOWN THE LESS FORTUNATE OF OUR COMMUNITY, SHAME ON YOU.

buzz8192:19 pm 14 Sep 10

JTACT said :

Yeah, I don’t care what you said to Azza. Two vehicles, that’s nice, but off the topic. Yeah I like using caps lock, my choice. I think you have bigger problems maybe you should ‘finded’ them and see if they have any ‘substanc’. Now that’s said I CAN CORRECT YOU. A portion of rego fees do go towards the upkeep of our roads, the roads that you ride your little bike on. The fees also include CTPI premiums which are forwarded to NRMA. Paying these fee’s is compulsary and should be for cyclist’s also. In addition, a small percentage of the rego fee goes towards the road safety trust which helps to enhance road safety awareness for the benefit of the ‘community’ – the ‘safety awareness’ includes the rights of cyclist’s, even though they don’t contribute like the rest of us. Then there is the portion of the rego fee that goes towards the road rescue services such as the ambulance, and we all know you cyclists frequently require rescuing when you have your little stacks. Until cyclist’s come upto scratch with the rest of us, they will always the fighting a lost cause. I’m not trying to take away anyones rights, just asking for a even and fair platform for both parties. I am also very familiar with the road rules, in particular how cyclist’s are subject to the same road rules as motorist’s which when they break are not held accountable as there is no way of identifying/ report offenders. The section you refer to ‘on how MOTORISTS have to give way to people on push bikes’ is the section where motorists must give way to cyclists in the ‘cyclists lane’, but they are far and few between so have fun when you’re pumping those little legs in the standard lanes. Oh and yeah um, we are not in the minority really, and you know it.

He has two cars, so pays for Rego on both of those, but doesn’t drive them as he is riding a bike, therefore the rego cost’s him more per kilometer then it does for you, I’m guessing you probably drive to your neighbor’s caravan. Yes I know, just because of the way you talk and use cap lock I am guessing you live at the Southside Caravan park.

I’m not the biggest fan of cyclists on the road, but have become a lot more accepting of a lot of behavior of late. My new motto, if what someone else is doing, is really not going to change the way your life goes on tomorrow, or the next day, what’s the point of getting upset?

If the worst thing in your life to complain about is someone riding a push bike, maybe you should sit back and relax and realise that life really isn’t that bad…

JTACT2:06 pm 14 Sep 10

KB1971 said :

JTACT said :

SOME OLD PROBLEM, WITH THE SAME OLD EASY SOLUTION – IF THE PEDDLE PUSHERS CAN’T MAINTAIN
THE SPEED LIMIT AND ARE DEEMED TO BE HOLDING UP TRAFFIC WHO ARE MAINTING THE SPEED LIMIT (NO TO MENTION MAINTAINING THE REGO AND INSURANCE PAYMENTS) THEN THEY SHOULD BE FINDED ON THE SPOT, SIMPLE. CAN’T MAINTAIN THE SPEED THEN USE OTHER CYCLING FACILITIES OR LOBBY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR A REBATE ON ELECTRIC MOTORS FOR YOUR BIKES TO ASSIST IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCES – MAYBE IF YOU PAID REGO/ INSURANCE LIKE THE REST OF US UNSELFISH LOCALS, A PORTION OF YOUR REGO PAYMENTS COULD GO TOWARDS MAPPING OUT A REBATE SCHEME.

As I said to AZZZA, I do, on two vehicles.

Maybe you should finded the caps lock button & turn it off…………even then your argument dose not hold any substanc. As I said to AZZZZA, rego doesnt go to maintaining the roads, it goes to consolidated revenue.

Its not that simple as you say because you are wanting to take away the rights of individuals (in this case to ride a push bike), Australia was a free country last time I looked and there is no law saying that you cannot ride a push bike on the road, in fact if you look at the Australian Road rules there is a whole section on how MOTORISTS have to give way to people on push bikes.

So, you & AZZZA are in the minority really, maybe you should get on your bikes more often, it will do your muffin top wonders……..

Yeah, I don’t care what you said to Azza. Two vehicles, that’s nice, but off the topic. Yeah I like using caps lock, my choice. I think you have bigger problems maybe you should ‘finded’ them and see if they have any ‘substanc’. Now that’s said I CAN CORRECT YOU. A portion of rego fees do go towards the upkeep of our roads, the roads that you ride your little bike on. The fees also include CTPI premiums which are forwarded to NRMA. Paying these fee’s is compulsary and should be for cyclist’s also. In addition, a small percentage of the rego fee goes towards the road safety trust which helps to enhance road safety awareness for the benefit of the ‘community’ – the ‘safety awareness’ includes the rights of cyclist’s, even though they don’t contribute like the rest of us. Then there is the portion of the rego fee that goes towards the road rescue services such as the ambulance, and we all know you cyclists frequently require rescuing when you have your little stacks. Until cyclist’s come upto scratch with the rest of us, they will always the fighting a lost cause. I’m not trying to take away anyones rights, just asking for a even and fair platform for both parties. I am also very familiar with the road rules, in particular how cyclist’s are subject to the same road rules as motorist’s which when they break are not held accountable as there is no way of identifying/ report offenders. The section you refer to ‘on how MOTORISTS have to give way to people on push bikes’ is the section where motorists must give way to cyclists in the ‘cyclists lane’, but they are far and few between so have fun when you’re pumping those little legs in the standard lanes. Oh and yeah um, we are not in the minority really, and you know it.

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johnboy2:09 pm 14 Sep 10

Caps lock may be your choice, but when you over use it most readers will assume you’re an idiot.

your choice.

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Postalgeek11:07 pm 03 Sep 10

I don’t think cycle groups occupying a whole lane of a single lane road do the cycle fraternity any favours. Cyclists should exercise the common courtesy of riding single file on single lanes. Except when it’s Juniors, in which case fuck the traffic, though organisers deserve a slap for the timing. Too many fucktards are given keys to heavy cars and complain that they can’t handle any road that isn’t an unimpeded flat straight four-lane highway. You don’t want them driving anywhere near kids.

It has to be said that the time wasted behind cyclists pales in comparison to the time wasted behind other drivers, so if you want to bitch about being delayed, have a go at all the semis, buses, Sunday drivers, right lane hogs, and rubber neckers etc. To those who claim to be perpetually delayed by cyclists, you are either full of bullshit, or you are a shit-magnet, in which case God has it in for you and be thankful that it’s just cyclists drawn to you and not heavy road transports.

thatsnotme said :

Could someone please tell me what the attraction is to riding on Coppins Crossing road to cyclists? This isn’t a bash on cyclists – I’m genuinely curious. I travel that road semi-regularly, and I’m always wondered why so many use it, given it’s fairly narrow, windy, and has no real shoulders. I’ve always felt as though anyone riding along it must be putting their life on the line – I’d think that it would be way easier for a cyclist to be hit accidentally along there than on other roads in the area.

So is there some special attraction to a road like Coppins Crossing that as a non-cyclist I just don’t see?

Well, I suspect it’s the same logical reason that drives an intelligent motorist to pick a route – it’s the most direct route from A to B. More specifically, it’s the most direct route anybody north of Black Mountain, which is half of Canberra, would take if they were, say, riding to Stromlo cycle park, or looking to hook up with one of the main cycle loops in the Canberra region. Have a look at a map if you need to.

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