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Road rules, options or Law?

By Psygorian 6 April 2009 76

As we are all aware, there will always be those Canberra drivers around on our roads that drive with no thought for anyone but themselves.

When you go to work in the morning, look around you to see just how many other drivers around you are on their mobile phones.

“Keep left unless overtaking” is not an option, its a road rule that when ignored holds everyone up.

It may be time for some refresher courses for drivers that get caught for driving in the right hand lane talking on their mobiles doing 20km/h under the prescribed signage.

Frustrated drivers are usually the ones that will cause an accident because one driver is affecting 50 others trying to get to work.

Maybe a police blitz in unmarked cars during peak hours to raise awareness maybe the answer? Any ideas?? 

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Deckard 6:17 pm 07 Apr 09

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Well, that’s about all we have time for on this week’s scheduled-like-clockwork whinge about driving in Canberra. There was certainly a lot of new and insightful analysis. Don’t go away, though – coming up next, somebody whinging about water restrictions, followed by another exciting rant about speed cameras.

This show certainly does well in the ratings though.

el 1:29 pm 07 Apr 09

Woody: Don’t forget cyclists, cycle lanes and cycle paths.

Extra special mention of recumbent bicycles FTW.

Woody Mann-Caruso 1:14 pm 07 Apr 09

Well, that’s about all we have time for on this week’s scheduled-like-clockwork whinge about driving in Canberra. There was certainly a lot of new and insightful analysis. Don’t go away, though – coming up next, somebody whinging about water restrictions, followed by another exciting rant about speed cameras.

dvaey 12:38 pm 07 Apr 09

Im pretty sure its an offence to use any handheld device while driving, including CB radios.

You need to STUDY the ARR m8. Handheld device is in relation to a handheld mobile phone. Not CB radio.

My mistake, I was sure in the past CB radios were included with mobile phones, since they provide the same distraction (taking a hand off the wheel for communication).

Spideydog @ #57, the way I read that road rule, all GPS units, all taxi cab screens, etc are illegal? How do such things even get through registration? My dvd screen, was required to be wired through the handbrake to pass rego inspection, why does everyone else get an exemption?

In relation to my post #57 ARR 299 states:

THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY TO THE DRIVER IF:

the vehicle is not a motor bike and the visual display
unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid and either –
(i) is an integrated part of the vehicle design; or
(ii) is secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle
while being used; or
(ba) the visual display unit is a mobile data terminal fitted to
a police vehicle or an emergency vehicle

That part of rule 299 covers two things we have discussed: 1. The police (or emergency service vehicle) exemption. 2. GPS unit/taxi cab screen etc are “driver’s aids” and are mounted/fixed to the vehicle – thus legal.

While I understand a GPS used in GPS mode is a ‘drivers aid’, a screen showing what pickups are in the local region (for taxis), doesnt really come under ‘drivers aid’ IMHO. I presumed that ‘drivers aid’ was designed to allow for digital speedos and other new digital displays that some cars have, not for a loophole to claim that a taxi pickup computer, would classify as ‘driving aids’.

This still doesnt cover the fact of why exactly some screens are legal and some arent.. either its distracting having an LCD screen near the driver, or its not.. it shouldnt matter if youre a policeman or a cab driver, or a bus driver, or a car driver, either its safe to be distracted by a display, or its not. Im not passing judgement on this law either way, Im simply saying enforce it equally, or acknowledge that its not really a safety issue, and a money-raising issue.

Why exactly doesnt ‘driving while distracted’ cover all of the above cases? (watching dvd screens, playing with mobile phones, etc) Not to mention, that law also covers people fiddling with tapes/CDs or makeup, or reading while driving, which IMHO can be just as (if not more) dangerous.

Spideydog 11:44 pm 06 Apr 09

dvaey said :

Im pretty sure its an offence to use any handheld device while driving, including CB radios.

Spideydog @ #57, the way I read that road rule, all GPS units, all taxi cab screens, etc are illegal? How do such things even get through registration? My dvd screen, was required to be wired through the handbrake to pass rego inspection, why does everyone else get an exemption?

You need to STUDY the ARR m8. Handheld device is in relation to a handheld mobile phone. Not CB radio.

In relation to my post #57 ARR 299 states:

THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY TO THE DRIVER IF:

the vehicle is not a motor bike and the visual display
unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid and either –
(i) is an integrated part of the vehicle design; or
(ii) is secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle
while being used; or
(ba) the visual display unit is a mobile data terminal fitted to
a police vehicle or an emergency vehicle

That part of rule 299 covers two things we have discussed: 1. The police (or emergency service vehicle) exemption. 2. GPS unit/taxi cab screen etc are “driver’s aids” and are mounted/fixed to the vehicle – thus legal.

dvaey 11:02 pm 06 Apr 09

Spideydog said :

dvaey said :

My problem is with the fact that its hypocritical to penalise someone for something you do yourself. I very much doubt a police officer driving by themselves pulls over to the side of the road before using his police radio, which if a driver of a public car or truck did, would be committing an offence.

I think you will find: 1. It is not an offence to use a CB radio (police or member of the public). 2. Not one person that has a CB radio would pull over to the side of the road either.

Im pretty sure its an offence to use any handheld device while driving, including CB radios.

vg, my point is, what makes a police officer any less likely to be distracted than anyone else? For all the training in the world, theyll still get distracted if trying to do things while driving, its common sense, so its either safe or its unsafe, there shouldnt be any grey area.

Spideydog @ #57, the way I read that road rule, all GPS units, all taxi cab screens, etc are illegal? How do such things even get through registration? My dvd screen, was required to be wired through the handbrake to pass rego inspection, why does everyone else get an exemption?

ant 10:41 pm 06 Apr 09

Whenever I read a rant about people in the right lane, I think two things.
1. city driver
2. tailgater

I don’t give a crap about who is in the right lane, or the left lane. I care about how they interact with me, and the drivers around me.

As for tailagers, I’ve found an excellent way to dispense with them, in winter at least. I’ve stuck a bunch of white reflectors on my spare tyre mount. Boy, it’s effective!

farnarkler 10:06 pm 06 Apr 09

Ant your post at #11 was reading my mind. If I had a dollar for every time I’ve been driving on the speed limit and had some moron trying to get in my boot, I’d be rich.

Note to the ACT government, if you want to make a LOT of money, install a speed camera on Ellenborough Street in Kaleen. Despite a 60 sign, most drivers will do more.

bigred 9:45 pm 06 Apr 09

so are you suggesting it is OK then?

P Large 9:45 pm 06 Apr 09

ant said :

You almost had me there, monomania and spideydog…. except I have ACT plates. Damn!

I would suggest though that quite a few of teh replies here, and the attitudes thus displayed prove my comment about angry drivers. As to the unskilled bit, well it also appears that an awful lot of people regard the right lane as an overtaking lane, and it’s THEIR lane.

I tend to stay out of that lane, let the loons have it, the police will get them. NOT.

I just love the number of drivers who argue that you should obey the law regarding being in the left lane unless overtaking so they can break the speed limit.

And although Canberra certainly doesn’t have sole rights to shitty drivers, natives certainly do have a very interesting take on indicating.

Deckard 7:04 pm 06 Apr 09

If you think tailgating is a Canberra thing you really don’t get out much.

bigred 6:15 pm 06 Apr 09

The reality is that you is on your own when traversing Canberra’s roads be it on foot, bicycle or car. Tailgating is a national capital sport practised by more than those who don’t and if challenged by gradual slow down or light tap on the brakes one will often find oneself subject to furious light flashing or some crazed lunatic coming up alongside and swerving. “Ring the cops” you say? Good idea I guess, wonder how they would prioritise such a thing? My bet is after donuts, but happy to be proven otherwise. Note the word “proven”!

My answer is simple. Big tow bar and bad attitude.

Hells_Bells74 5:27 pm 06 Apr 09

ant said :

You almost had me there, monomania and spideydog…. except I have ACT plates. Damn!

I would suggest though that quite a few of teh replies here, and the attitudes thus displayed prove my comment about angry drivers. As to the unskilled bit, well it also appears that an awful lot of people regard the right lane as an overtaking lane, and it’s THEIR lane.

I tend to stay out of that lane, let the loons have it, the police will get them. NOT.

All this coming from a ‘Canberran driver’ who stated all Canberrans are angry and unskilled drivers… Geewhiz!

vg 5:19 pm 06 Apr 09

ant said :

vg said :

“Canberrans are angry, unskilled drivers.”

What makes you think Canberrans have a mortgage on being shitty drivers. Australians are shitty drivers full stop.

(non-angry bit about Scandinavian drivers snipped)

It must be a Monday and time for another whinge about driving. If things are as they should be we’ll have a Police bashing thread, a whinge about cyclists and someone complaining their coffee was 0.1 of a degree too cold by Wednesday

Sounding pretty angry there vg. What are your driving skills like?

Don’t be scared, I’m not angry.

My driving skills are just dandy, and thanks for asking

ant 5:03 pm 06 Apr 09

Bugger, foiled by spideydog. Never mind, I’ll get you next time!

ant 5:03 pm 06 Apr 09

vg said :

“Canberrans are angry, unskilled drivers.”

What makes you think Canberrans have a mortgage on being shitty drivers. Australians are shitty drivers full stop.

(non-angry bit about Scandinavian drivers snipped)

It must be a Monday and time for another whinge about driving. If things are as they should be we’ll have a Police bashing thread, a whinge about cyclists and someone complaining their coffee was 0.1 of a degree too cold by Wednesday

Sounding pretty angry there vg. What are your driving skills like?

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