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Smokers at Canberra Hospital

Vindalu 29 October 2012 73

It’s about time Canberra Hospital got serious about enforcing the total smoking ban at this health care facility and backing it up with on the spot fines.

The inconsiderate desperadoes that blithely puff away under the no smoking signs could well contribute to the cost of their own treatment and should be actively deterred from endangering the health of others.

If you want to see the extent of this problem take a look at how many butts that are swept up there every week – it’s thousands. It’s time a few butts were kicked!


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zllauh 3:27 am 19 Aug 15

People should atleast have a common sense , where to smoke and where not to !

zllauh 3:26 am 19 Aug 15

Nothing more ridiculous than people smoking in a hospital at non-smoking areas !

HenryBG 7:52 am 01 Nov 12

kakosi said :

BrassRazoo said :

What did it for me was having to run the gauntlet of smokers with our new born outside Maternity (when it was Woden Valley Hospital). Thanks for giving her and others such a lovely first breath in the Canberra outdoors. No sympathy for the bastards.

Your extreme hatred and fear of the smokers is not founded in reality. Being able to smell smoke diluted in open air for a few seconds is unlikely to cause harm to baby or yourself.

The real fear should be that you and your baby were quite likely exposed to and picked up MRSA at the hospital (that’s what they used to call “golden staph” until it became immune to most antibiotics and became a superbug).

The invisible things that you can’t see or smell, or protect yourself against, are far more dangerous.

What’s more, BrassRazoo (and some others) drove past me the other day and I smelled the exhaust from their car. Disgusting! Thanks for ruining my fresh air you selfish ^%$@^$%&s. I think you gave me cancer.

kakosi 11:46 pm 31 Oct 12

BrassRazoo said :

What did it for me was having to run the gauntlet of smokers with our new born outside Maternity (when it was Woden Valley Hospital). Thanks for giving her and others such a lovely first breath in the Canberra outdoors. No sympathy for the bastards.

Your extreme hatred and fear of the smokers is not founded in reality. Being able to smell smoke diluted in open air for a few seconds is unlikely to cause harm to baby or yourself.

The real fear should be that you and your baby were quite likely exposed to and picked up MRSA at the hospital (that’s what they used to call “golden staph” until it became immune to most antibiotics and became a superbug).

The invisible things that you can’t see or smell, or protect yourself against, are far more dangerous.

bundah 10:34 pm 31 Oct 12

poetix said :

Saying that morbidly obese people should lose weight is easy. Anyone who has struggled with being say, five or ten kilos overweight, knows exactly how hard that much is to lose. How much harder for someone who is so fat that exercise is virtually impossible, and where even basic movements put a major stress on the body. Sometimes there would be psychological factors which would need to be addressed if any real change is to come about. Abusing people for this problem makes about as much sense as abusing someone for having any other medical condition, and is negative and cruel. Easy to say pull up your socks, but some people haven’t seen their ankles for years.

HenryBG, I wonder if you are as fit as you seem to imply?

While it’s easy for me to say given i’ve been disciplined since year dot the most effective method to stop obesity is to not allow oneself to become obese in the first instance.I realise for a significant number of people that’s easier said than done but the alternative often results in yo-yoing weight and much frustration.

maxblues 10:32 pm 31 Oct 12

BrassRazoo said :

What did it for me was having to run the gauntlet of smokers with our new born outside Maternity (when it was Woden Valley Hospital). Thanks for giving her and others such a lovely first breath in the Canberra outdoors. No sympathy for the bastards.

Yes, smokers suck but on the other hand, having run the gauntlet at such an early age, your daughter will grow into a warrior princess, rule the territory and become health minister and manipulate the territory hospital anyway she likes.

BrassRazoo 10:15 pm 31 Oct 12

Just in case a wheezing smart arse picks up on that, they had no sympathy for ours either.

BrassRazoo 9:35 pm 31 Oct 12

What did it for me was having to run the gauntlet of smokers with our new born outside Maternity (when it was Woden Valley Hospital). Thanks for giving her and others such a lovely first breath in the Canberra outdoors. No sympathy for the bastards.

poetix 8:28 pm 31 Oct 12

Saying that morbidly obese people should lose weight is easy. Anyone who has struggled with being say, five or ten kilos overweight, knows exactly how hard that much is to lose. How much harder for someone who is so fat that exercise is virtually impossible, and where even basic movements put a major stress on the body. Sometimes there would be psychological factors which would need to be addressed if any real change is to come about. Abusing people for this problem makes about as much sense as abusing someone for having any other medical condition, and is negative and cruel. Easy to say pull up your socks, but some people haven’t seen their ankles for years.

HenryBG, I wonder if you are as fit as you seem to imply?

maxblues 7:47 pm 31 Oct 12

HenryBigGuy you really should get a job at the Canberra Hospital and I love the fact that you get all your medical knowledge from a ten second google. Why don’t endocrinologist think of doing that instead of those long and tedious medical degrees. Bravo BigGuy.

HenryBG 6:59 pm 31 Oct 12

maxblues said :

HenryBG said :

maxblues said :

HenryBG said :

maxblues said :

HenryBileGenerator, you are showing your ignorance if you think that all obesity is the result of lifestyle choices. Many overweight people can be affected by a range of diseases and endocrinoligical disorders such as pituitary adenomas that often go undiagnosed by GPs.

Weirdly, these mysterious diseases only occur concomittently with ultra-high-calorie diets and lack of physical activity….

Wrong again HenryBeeGee.

Why don’t you google for “fat people in somalia” and tell me what you find.

HenryBizarreGoogler, you certainly have bizarre googling habits and if you think you know the cause of pituitary adenomas then you are obviously smarter than every neurosurgeon and endocrinologist on the planet. Why, you could get a job at Canberra Hospital, tour the wards and personally insult every patient.

Well, I just googled for “pituitary adenomas” and nowhere does anybody claim that they cause fatness.
What they do say is that a hell of a lot of us have pituitary adenomas and we will never know because they are mostly benign.
What I suspect is that people who’ve taken a brief break from wolfing down mars bars and gravy-soaked chips to go to their doctor to complain about their mysterious and worrying weight gain, are getting medical check-ups which reveal the presence of benign tumours.
In the usual modern approach to personal responsibility, they then try to pin the blame for their fatness on these benign tumours instead of on the not-so-mysterious law of physics that says that you will inevitably get fat if there is a positive energy imbalance between what you eat and what you burn off.

Joy_H 6:58 pm 31 Oct 12

They are doing the wrong thing, but they are contributing to the cost of their treatment by paying the additional taxes via tobacco purchase

maxblues 5:46 pm 31 Oct 12

HenryBG said :

maxblues said :

HenryBG said :

maxblues said :

HenryBileGenerator, you are showing your ignorance if you think that all obesity is the result of lifestyle choices. Many overweight people can be affected by a range of diseases and endocrinoligical disorders such as pituitary adenomas that often go undiagnosed by GPs.

Weirdly, these mysterious diseases only occur concomittently with ultra-high-calorie diets and lack of physical activity….

Wrong again HenryBeeGee.

Why don’t you google for “fat people in somalia” and tell me what you find.

HenryBizarreGoogler, you certainly have bizarre googling habits and if you think you know the cause of pituitary adenomas then you are obviously smarter than every neurosurgeon and endocrinologist on the planet. Why, you could get a job at Canberra Hospital, tour the wards and personally insult every patient.

bundah 5:42 pm 31 Oct 12

maxblues said :

HenryBG said :

maxblues said :

HenryBileGenerator, you are showing your ignorance if you think that all obesity is the result of lifestyle choices. Many overweight people can be affected by a range of diseases and endocrinoligical disorders such as pituitary adenomas that often go undiagnosed by GPs.

Weirdly, these mysterious diseases only occur concomittently with ultra-high-calorie diets and lack of physical activity….

Wrong again HenryBeeGee. By the way, I thought Barry was the only surviving BG.

The fact is that,from ABS, ‘while genetics may play a role in a person’s propensity to become overweight or obese, the fundamental cause is an imbalance between energy consumed and energy expended. Shifts towards energy-dense diets and decreasing physical activity are two of the factors that have contributed to increases in rates of overweight and obesity’.

I would suggest that there are only a very small percentage of people who are obese,due to a medical condition.

HenryBG 5:23 pm 31 Oct 12

maxblues said :

HenryBG said :

maxblues said :

HenryBileGenerator, you are showing your ignorance if you think that all obesity is the result of lifestyle choices. Many overweight people can be affected by a range of diseases and endocrinoligical disorders such as pituitary adenomas that often go undiagnosed by GPs.

Weirdly, these mysterious diseases only occur concomittently with ultra-high-calorie diets and lack of physical activity….

Wrong again HenryBeeGee.

Why don’t you google for “fat people in somalia” and tell me what you find.

maxblues 4:43 pm 31 Oct 12

HenryBG said :

maxblues said :

HenryBileGenerator, you are showing your ignorance if you think that all obesity is the result of lifestyle choices. Many overweight people can be affected by a range of diseases and endocrinoligical disorders such as pituitary adenomas that often go undiagnosed by GPs.

Weirdly, these mysterious diseases only occur concomittently with ultra-high-calorie diets and lack of physical activity….

Wrong again HenryBeeGee. By the way, I thought Barry was the only surviving BG.

HenryBG 4:02 pm 31 Oct 12

maxblues said :

HenryBileGenerator, you are showing your ignorance if you think that all obesity is the result of lifestyle choices. Many overweight people can be affected by a range of diseases and endocrinoligical disorders such as pituitary adenomas that often go undiagnosed by GPs.

Weirdly, these mysterious diseases only occur concomittently with ultra-high-calorie diets and lack of physical activity….

maxblues 2:30 pm 31 Oct 12

HenryBG said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

YeahBuddy said :

Thumper said :

Surely it’s time to start forcing smokers into government funded stop smoking programs for their own good.

What about the fat people? Can we force them to join Weight Watchers or the gym?

And on another note – why is it not PC to call a fat person fat, but you can bag smokers? New research has actually shown that being fat is worse for your health long term than smoking (and don’t ask me to find it and post a link, I don’t have the time nor inclination, search yourself).

how does someone’s weight infringe on your life?

For a start, when you get on a plane and sit next to me, you bend the armrests towards me, further diminishing the already restricted space I am occupying. Not content with that, you then overflow your seat and spread over the armrests filling up the tiny amount of space that was left between me and my armrest.

I knew a guy who died of emphysaema – the hospital gave him an oxygen bottle on a little trolley and he trundled around at home wheezing and sucking oxygen from his bottle for a couple of years before he died. Cost to the taxpayer? Hardly anything. Costs saved? 20 years of old-aged care nursing = an incalculable amount saved.

I also knew a woman who was obese. She was in hospital on a regular basis – her gall bladder packed up and had to be removed. She got gangrenous toes that had to be operated on. She had a fall necessitating surgery. She was a walking talking imposition on the healthcare system and of course being obese, she was very rarely available for work and in fact got herself an invalid pension, another outrageous cost to the community resulting from her lifestyle choice to eat like a pig.

HenryBileGenerator, you are showing your ignorance if you think that all obesity is the result of lifestyle choices. Many overweight people can be affected by a range of diseases and endocrinoligical disorders such as pituitary adenomas that often go undiagnosed by GPs.

TheDancingDjinn 2:24 pm 31 Oct 12

HenryBG said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

YeahBuddy said :

Thumper said :

Surely it’s time to start forcing smokers into government funded stop smoking programs for their own good.

What about the fat people? Can we force them to join Weight Watchers or the gym?

And on another note – why is it not PC to call a fat person fat, but you can bag smokers? New research has actually shown that being fat is worse for your health long term than smoking (and don’t ask me to find it and post a link, I don’t have the time nor inclination, search yourself).

how does someone’s weight infringe on your life?

For a start, when you get on a plane and sit next to me, you bend the armrests towards me, further diminishing the already restricted space I am occupying. Not content with that, you then overflow your seat and spread over the armrests filling up the tiny amount of space that was left between me and my armrest.

I knew a guy who died of emphysaema – the hospital gave him an oxygen bottle on a little trolley and he trundled around at home wheezing and sucking oxygen from his bottle for a couple of years before he died. Cost to the taxpayer? Hardly anything. Costs saved? 20 years of old-aged care nursing = an incalculable amount saved.

I also knew a woman who was obese. She was in hospital on a regular basis – her gall bladder packed up and had to be removed. She got gangrenous toes that had to be operated on. She had a fall necessitating surgery. She was a walking talking imposition on the healthcare system and of course being obese, she was very rarely available for work and in fact got herself an invalid pension, another outrageous cost to the community resulting from her lifestyle choice to eat like a pig.

Im sorry sir – did i single out you in my comment? such a personal tirade for something that was not pointed toward you or any comment you have made ever.
Read all my comments slowly from now on before you attack ok scrappy doo ?

( you might catch that i am personally not heavy nor am i a smoker – nor have i ever ever in my life been on an airplane to spill into your precious seat.

TheDancingDjinn 2:18 pm 31 Oct 12

YeahBuddy said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

YeahBuddy said :

Thumper said :

Surely it’s time to start forcing smokers into government funded stop smoking programs for their own good.

What about the fat people? Can we force them to join Weight Watchers or the gym?

And on another note – why is it not PC to call a fat person fat, but you can bag smokers? New research has actually shown that being fat is worse for your health long term than smoking (and don’t ask me to find it and post a link, I don’t have the time nor inclination, search yourself).

how does someone’s weight infringe on your life? apart from people’s beliefs that they have health issues that need hospital treatment. Someone’s smoking can make others sick, i used to smoke – it was not difficult for me not to smoke near entrance ways, and it was not hard for me to put my cigarette out before i threw it away, and it wasn’t hard for me to make sure my smoke didn’t go near some other peoples kids – those people and children didn’t chose to ruin their lungs – i was that moron.
Being heavy and smoking are both bad for your body, and they are both things we are never going to be able to control in others. If people want to do it then let them do it – as long as it doesn’t infringe on you, what do you care?

I was expecting way worse than that (probably still coming though!). I agree, your weight has no impact on me, and neither does someone else’s choice to smoke …. until you start throwing around that “cost to public health” argument, and then it affects us all. And to be perfectly honest, I don’t care if you smoke, or if you are overweight, I just think it is unfair that smoker’s cop it worse. Start a scare campain about the effects of being overweight and tax fatties for their unhealthy food.

I am neither fat nor a smoker… i once was both but no longer ( i mentioned that in my first post ) and i agree i think its bullshit that either of them cop crap from people. But it wont stop them eating or smoking and it wont stop people thinking its ok to put their 2c in about another persons life. People are sucky – its true.

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