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Too many drunks getting arrested?

johnboy 22 October 2008 42

The Ombudsman has announced the release of their third report on ACT Policing’s dealings with the drunkards.

It comes out swinging:

    “More needs to be done to keep intoxicated people out of police custody”

And keeps it up throughout:

    “The report also recommends some changes to police training. Prof. McMillan said that ‘Being drunk in a public place has not been an offence in the ACT since 1983, yet police training still refers to the intoxication detention provisions as “street offences”. The law gives power to police to care for and protect intoxicated people, and that needs to be emphasised.’”

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bigfeet bigfeet 9:14 pm 24 Oct 08

DJ said :

Sure they do… don’t resist in any fashion and you can expect a safe and comfortable ride to the safety of a facility that will most likely save you from doing something even more stupid that what brought you to the attention of Police in the first place.

Resist and be treated like you act – don’t abuse, spit, hit, headbutt, punck, kick, grab or attempt to do any of those things or you SHOULD expect that force will be used against you.

Prof McM’s sentiments, IMHO, are not commendable.

Exactly. The cops really would just rather walk on by, but the public expect them to do something, so they will give a drunk every oppurtunity to just head home, or get their mates to take them home, or get in a cab, or get in the police car to be be taken to a sober up centre.

If he complied with any of these requests, he would not end up at the watchouse.

But normally he won’t want to go anywhere withthe police. So the police are really left with two options… leave the fool and walk on by (the easiest option, but the one that everyone will complain about), or force the person into a van, and then take them somewhere (remembering that they can only be taken to the sober up centre if they don’t object to being taken there..but they are objecting to being taken anywhere)

DJ DJ 7:46 pm 24 Oct 08

jenny green said :

Posts crossed. I think Prof McM’s sentiments are commendable… Even obnoxious wankers have the right not to be beaten up when taken to the watch-house for sobering up…

Sure they do… don’t resist in any fashion and you can expect a safe and comfortable ride to the safety of a facility that will most likely save you from doing something even more stupid that what brought you to the attention of Police in the first place.

Resist and be treated like you act – don’t abuse, spit, hit, headbutt, punck, kick, grab or attempt to do any of those things or you SHOULD expect that force will be used against you.

Prof McM’s sentiments, IMHO, are not commendable.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 5:40 pm 24 Oct 08

Ask me in about 5 hours and I’ll tell you it’s the best idea ever 😉

peterh peterh 4:42 pm 24 Oct 08

Deadmandrinking said :

Tooks said :

Deadmandrinking said :

Back to reality. This report really doesn’t seem too bad. In fact, wouldn’t the police have a bit of weight off their shoulders if they dropped a few more people off at the sobering-up shelter?

Unfortunately (and understandably), the sobering up shelter won’t accept anyone who is aggressive. Also, it’s a good facility, but has a very limited amount of beds.

Good point – I was thinking however that those who are pulled in but aren’t violent would be the more hardcore alcoholics. The shelter would be better for them, I reckon.

they usually get dropped off in somewhere like ainslie village. they get there through all manner of means, but some really don’t understand why.

chronic alcohol abuse leaves you feeling like the only way to deal with your problems is to be blotto.

for an alcoholic, a typical day if you are on the dole is this:

10.00 am – pub / club opens. you are waiting for the door to open.
solid drinking all day with cronies.
get kicked out at closing, between 10.00pm and midnight.

stagger home, go to bed, get up, do same again.

when the money runs out, go to charity and beg for food voucher. sell food voucher to mate, go to pub, drink on.

back in the day, the CES day was the only partially sober day, you have to pretend to find a job, so the DSS would still pay you the dole.

imagine this as your existence….

dexi dexi 3:59 pm 24 Oct 08

“Yes, Dexi, the 1920’s proved prohibition works.
Back to reality. “

We have prohibition today, “The War on Drugs”. People are arrested and charged. People who have made a choice to abuse a drug and then been publicly obnoxious, should be criminalised. The hard core alcoholics in my life are all violent and destructive. You can count the drinks for the switch to flick. I have stopped making excuses for them, so should everyone else.

“Bottom line is: People drink, alcohol makes you stupid, being stupid does not cost you your rights in our society.”

Yet it does if you use illegal drugs.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 9:13 pm 23 Oct 08

Tooks said :

Deadmandrinking said :

Back to reality. This report really doesn’t seem too bad. In fact, wouldn’t the police have a bit of weight off their shoulders if they dropped a few more people off at the sobering-up shelter?

Unfortunately (and understandably), the sobering up shelter won’t accept anyone who is aggressive. Also, it’s a good facility, but has a very limited amount of beds.

Good point – I was thinking however that those who are pulled in but aren’t violent would be the more hardcore alcoholics. The shelter would be better for them, I reckon.

rottweiler rottweiler 9:00 pm 23 Oct 08

Police are just dealing with the after effects of irresponsible service of alcohol. If clubs pulled their finger out then there would be less problems.

have you ever worked behind a bar in a club or pub on a busy night you can refuse some one a drink for being intoxicated but one or more of thier friends buys them a drink or worst you refuse them they swear spit yell and in some cases throw empty glasses at you or worst they get thrown out hang about causing trouble with others and then jump you when you finish yes clubs do need to pull their fingers out but don’t have the power to do so sercurity guards have no rights they can’t deal with the drunks in the same as police do thats why they throw them out and leave them for the police to deal with …if they get rough they get charged with assult when a copper does the same thing it ok he/she was just difficulted to take into custody

Tooks Tooks 6:59 pm 23 Oct 08

Deadmandrinking said :

Back to reality. This report really doesn’t seem too bad. In fact, wouldn’t the police have a bit of weight off their shoulders if they dropped a few more people off at the sobering-up shelter?

Unfortunately (and understandably), the sobering up shelter won’t accept anyone who is aggressive. Also, it’s a good facility, but has a very limited amount of beds.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:31 pm 23 Oct 08

PBO said :

No offence intended, i could have written that a lot better.

So I’m not winning a Nobel for that? 🙁

I mean, how much more obvious can I make it. 120’s prohibition is common knowledge. Back to reality…you know…f-k it, I give up. Writing wouldn’t be so hard if people could think while reading!

PBO PBO 1:22 pm 23 Oct 08

No offence intended, i could have written that a lot better.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:14 pm 23 Oct 08

I was being sarcastic. Hence ‘back to reality.’

PBO PBO 1:00 pm 23 Oct 08

i stuffed it up but you get the point.

PBO PBO 1:00 pm 23 Oct 08

dexi said :

Make alcohol consumption a crime. Then drinkers would be scumbags and can be locked up in prison. This would solve the large amount of crime based around alcohol, making our homes and streets safer.

Deadmandrinking said :

Yes, Dexi, the 1920’s proved prohibition works. quote]

The 1920’s proved that prohibition did not work. It merely drove the industry underground and created a market that was not there before. People at the time generally ignored the law when it came to this as it was an affront to freedoms that people had enjoyed for hundreds of years. This is why we dont have it today.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 12:40 pm 23 Oct 08

Yes, Dexi, the 1920’s proved prohibition works.

Back to reality. This report really doesn’t seem too bad. In fact, wouldn’t the police have a bit of weight off their shoulders if they dropped a few more people off at the sobering-up shelter? I know when people think of drunks being arrested, they probably think of the usual moosehead pop-collars who’ve just had a punch-on, but I’m sure a good deal would be the serious alcoholics and people with mental-health problems. Surely for the latter, a shelter where help is availible would be a far better option than a cell?

It also says that people can nominate someone who’s custody they can be released into at the watch-house supervisor’s discretion, and that they are not being informed that they may call a lawyer. Why is this a problem for people? These are legal rights! I’m sure if one of you had a bit too much to drink and rode your bike onto oncoming traffic screaming ‘F-k the A.C.T. Judiciary’ minus pants and got tossed in a cell – you’d want to be reminded of these rights.

Bottom line is: People drink, alcohol makes you stupid, being stupid does not cost you your rights in our society.

peterh peterh 12:15 pm 23 Oct 08

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

“You can’t arrest me for being drunk in a public place!”
“I’m not. I’m arresting you for abusing and attempting to assault passers-by, public urination and creating a disturbance. And now I’m thumping you for resisting arrest.”

ahhh, the good old days.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 11:56 am 23 Oct 08

“You can’t arrest me for being drunk in a public place!”
“I’m not. I’m arresting you for abusing and attempting to assault passers-by, public urination and creating a disturbance. And now I’m thumping you for resisting arrest.”

johnboy johnboy 11:49 am 23 Oct 08

petrol, nutmeg, sitting in dark places?

Getting out of our heads is what made us human enough to invent police forces.

Spideydog Spideydog 11:47 am 23 Oct 08

The policing workload would drop 90% if drugs and alcohol were never invented/discovered.

Although some of the best music in the world not be, if it weren’t for the above…..

dexi dexi 10:13 am 23 Oct 08

Make alcohol consumption a crime. Then drinkers would be scumbags and can be locked up in prison. This would solve the large amount of crime based around alcohol, making our homes and streets safer.

p1 p1 9:33 am 23 Oct 08

The Commonwealth Ombudsman is obnoxious himself. Did you know that he insists on his title being “Prof.”, not “Prof” or “Professor” etc…?

I can understand him still wanting the title, and even having a preferred abrev. but what is his problem with it being spelt out?

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