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Toot toot! High speed rail rides again

By johnboy - 11 April 2013 50

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The ABC has inside running on the oft discussed high speed rail link.

A high-speed rail link along Australia’s east coast would not be completed until at least 2053 and would cost $114 billion to build, according to a report to be released today.

The Federal Government’s final report says the rail link between Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne would require 1,700 kilometres of dedicated track and 144 kilometres of tunnelling.

A trip between Canberra and Sydney would take just over an hour, though trains would not begin running on the first section of track until 2030 at the earliest.

Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese has told AM the Government is serious about giving it further thought, and wants a public debate about the idea.

Off you go then.

[Photo by mdid CC BY 2.0]


UPDATE: Simon Sheikh is hailing this as a triumph of the Greens. Green MLA Shane Rattenbury is also joining in the applause.

FURTHER UPDATE: Our local Labor Members have jointly expressed their joys.

ANOTHER UPDATE: Late to the party the Bullet Trainers want it all brought forward.

One more update for the road: Simon and Katy have bestirred themselves to agree it’s a good thing we’re included. They also like the idea of the train station being in Civic.

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Toot toot! High speed rail rides again
dungfungus 1:21 pm 11 Apr 13

tim_c said :

I’ve often thought they could at least upgrade the existing track to be standard speed which would be much cheaper than high-speed rail – the XPT is capable of cruising at around 160km/h if it’s on a decent track. Without traffic delays and the forest of uncoordinated traffic lights in each town, it would still be much faster than taking your car.

Spot on.
This is the only way to go for a country like Australia with a relatively small population spread over a vast area. The rail corridors and infrastructure already exist all that is needed is for the tracks to banked and upgraded. No need for high maintenence electrification either. Affordable rail services like this are winning back customers all over the UK and Europe. TGV type railways are more about national prestige and they are not as comfortable as their supporters claim they are.

dtc 12:58 pm 11 Apr 13

shauno said :

The best way forward with this is to go with the French TGV SNCF they have already done the decaded worth of development so there is no need to go and re invent the wheel so to speak. All we need to do is build the tracks. And just think if we didn’t have this 300 billion gross debt hanging over our heads things like this could be much easily afforded. Its most probably the reason they have it spread over 45 years. Which is insane we could and should build this in 10 years.

The Japanese and Chinese might beg to differ about the best fast train system…

But, yes – it would have been nice for Howard/Costello to have retained some of the money received from selling public assets and used it for infrastructure. That said, whether the train is the best use of that money who knows.

Clearly what we need is a fast train from Canberra to the beach. If we can get to Sydney in an hour, then the beach is well under 1/2 hr away.

p1 12:58 pm 11 Apr 13

dpm said :

$114billion which would apparently spread over ~40 years though…

Which is rather a long time, even for this scale of project. On the other hand, if they started with, say $1b a year, and for the first 20 years simply worked on slowly linking up a straightish right of way (and the associated bridges etc, then it might actually become a viable option to put a railway on it some time in the future.

Thumper 12:55 pm 11 Apr 13

johnboy said :

Proper twin line electrified rail would be a beautiful thing too, and much better for freight.

But apparently we only want sexy rail.

However, for serious coolness, not to mention awesomeness….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Scotsman_(train)

johnboy 12:46 pm 11 Apr 13

Proper twin line electrified rail would be a beautiful thing too, and much better for freight.

But apparently we only want sexy rail.

tim_c 12:43 pm 11 Apr 13

I’ve often thought they could at least upgrade the existing track to be standard speed which would be much cheaper than high-speed rail – the XPT is capable of cruising at around 160km/h if it’s on a decent track. Without traffic delays and the forest of uncoordinated traffic lights in each town, it would still be much faster than taking your car.

shauno 12:18 pm 11 Apr 13

The best way forward with this is to go with the French TGV SNCF they have already done the decaded worth of development so there is no need to go and re invent the wheel so to speak. All we need to do is build the tracks. And just think if we didn’t have this 300 billion gross debt hanging over our heads things like this could be much easily afforded. Its most probably the reason they have it spread over 45 years. Which is insane we could and should build this in 10 years.

dpm 12:09 pm 11 Apr 13

Diggety said :

Innovation said :

I’m glad they are “serious” about giving more thought. More thought, more debate, more consultancy reports, but never any action……

Thankfully, our leaders tend to give things careful thought and debate before acting on a $114 billion project.

$114billion which would apparently spread over ~40 years though…

Deref 12:09 pm 11 Apr 13

pierce said :

Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull have in turn announced that a Liberal government would do it cheaper and sooner

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkjedi/5139352284/

😀 Gold.

Diggety 11:44 am 11 Apr 13

Innovation said :

I’m glad they are “serious” about giving more thought. More thought, more debate, more consultancy reports, but never any action……

Thankfully, our leaders tend to give things careful thought and debate before acting on a $114 billion project.

Innovation 11:18 am 11 Apr 13

“Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese has told AM the Government is serious about giving it further thought, and wants a public debate about the idea.”

I’m glad they are “serious” about giving more thought. More thought, more debate, more consultancy reports, but never any action……

tonkatuff82 10:43 am 11 Apr 13

Can we now dump this ridiculous idea?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEZjzsnPhnw

dungfungus 9:49 am 11 Apr 13

pierce said :

Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull have in turn announced that a Liberal government would do it cheaper and sooner

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkjedi/5139352284/

The Greens will go for that as it is totally emission free.

Diggety 9:46 am 11 Apr 13

Good to see a decent study, waaay too much speculation and dodgy data in the debate before.

pierce 9:42 am 11 Apr 13

Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull have in turn announced that a Liberal government would do it cheaper and sooner

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkjedi/5139352284/

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