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Toot toot! High speed rail rides again

By johnboy 11 April 2013 50

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The ABC has inside running on the oft discussed high speed rail link.

A high-speed rail link along Australia’s east coast would not be completed until at least 2053 and would cost $114 billion to build, according to a report to be released today.

The Federal Government’s final report says the rail link between Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne would require 1,700 kilometres of dedicated track and 144 kilometres of tunnelling.

A trip between Canberra and Sydney would take just over an hour, though trains would not begin running on the first section of track until 2030 at the earliest.

Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese has told AM the Government is serious about giving it further thought, and wants a public debate about the idea.

Off you go then.

[Photo by mdid CC BY 2.0]


UPDATE: Simon Sheikh is hailing this as a triumph of the Greens. Green MLA Shane Rattenbury is also joining in the applause.

FURTHER UPDATE: Our local Labor Members have jointly expressed their joys.

ANOTHER UPDATE: Late to the party the Bullet Trainers want it all brought forward.

One more update for the road: Simon and Katy have bestirred themselves to agree it’s a good thing we’re included. They also like the idea of the train station being in Civic.


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Aeek 2:27 pm 12 Apr 13

Thumper said :

And those new fangled moving pictures…

I don’t get what’s so great about attaching a picture to buses and taxis ?

poetix 2:11 pm 12 Apr 13

Thumper said :

poetix said :

Thumper said :

astrojax said :

FioBla said :

Only accepts coins.

gold [ones]

…and have we invented air travel yet..?

I believe that is a yes. Hot air balloons are all the rage these days.

Zeppelins. That’s what we need.

(Oh the humanity.)

And those new fangled moving pictures…

Ev’ry step you do leads to something new, man, I’m telling you it’s a lapazoo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kJWdUFzL0Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thumper 1:40 pm 12 Apr 13

poetix said :

Thumper said :

astrojax said :

FioBla said :

Only accepts coins.

gold [ones]

…and have we invented air travel yet..?

I believe that is a yes. Hot air balloons are all the rage these days.

Zeppelins. That’s what we need.

(Oh the humanity.)

And those new fangled moving pictures…

poetix 1:02 pm 12 Apr 13

Thumper said :

astrojax said :

FioBla said :

Only accepts coins.

gold [ones]

…and have we invented air travel yet..?

I believe that is a yes. Hot air balloons are all the rage these days.

Zeppelins. That’s what we need.

(Oh the humanity.)

Thumper 12:49 pm 12 Apr 13

astrojax said :

FioBla said :

Only accepts coins.

gold [ones]

…and have we invented air travel yet..?

I believe that is a yes. Hot air balloons are all the rage these days.

astrojax 11:43 am 12 Apr 13

FioBla said :

Only accepts coins.

gold [ones]

…and have we invented air travel yet..?

bundah 9:14 am 12 Apr 13

Where are the bullet train for Canberra people? I would’ve thought they’d have a comment or two to make on RA.

davo101 8:56 am 12 Apr 13

johnboy said :

Well they said that about Alice to Darwin rail until John Howard built it.

Indeed, and what a marvellous white elephant that’s turned out to be.

Thumper 8:56 am 12 Apr 13

johnboy said :

Well they said that about Alice to Darwin rail until John Howard built it.

Vastly different beast JB.

Thumper 8:36 am 12 Apr 13

This is simply not going to happen people.

The feds were talking this up in the 80s. If they’d started then we’d now have a train. They didn’t so we don’t.

And, sadly, no-one today has the political nerve to actually attempt it.

    johnboy 8:52 am 12 Apr 13

    Well they said that about Alice to Darwin rail until John Howard built it.

Innovation 6:55 am 12 Apr 13

gooterz said :

….

I also bet that the cost includes maglev into Sydney central station. How much will it cost to the edge of the cities and then connect without outer suburbs stations.

…….If we planned it now and planned it to go into the centre of Sydney.. we could build a outer Sydney to outer Melbourne fast train for a few billion then later spend the billions extending it into the CBD’s.

Not having it completely direct and not having it into the centre of every city is great but its lightyears ahead of the options we have now…….

I was thinking the same thing. The rail could deviate in areas west of Sydney, Newcastle etc rather than going into the centres. Standard or light rail could then run elsewhere. In Canberra the rail could deviate near Dickson/Barton Hwy but I wonder how long it would be before others suggest Canberrans travel the extra distance to Goulburn/Yass to save even more money?

gooterz 10:26 pm 11 Apr 13

what about vacuum mag lev?
2km/s

Canberra to Sydney in 300 seconds.

The big issue with the latest report it that there is not much tolerance for bends and curves to avoid tunnelling. If you have a lightly longer route you save billions on tunnels.

I also bet that the cost includes maglev into Sydney central station. How much will it cost to the edge of the cities and then connect without outer suburbs stations.

The longer we wait the more tunnels we’ll need to tunnel under developments, and buy back land.

Adelaide–Darwin took 100 years to start and cost $1.2 billion in 2001.
1420km and it took 4 years.

If we planned it now and planned it to go into the centre of Sydney.. we could build a outer Sydney to outer Melbourne fast train for a few billion then later spend the billions extending it into the CBD’s.

Not having it completely direct and not having it into the centre of every city is great but its lightyears ahead of the options we have now.

It wont be that long until we’ve spent more money on reports and consultants than it would cost to build the thing.

We could probably combine it with a national DC power grid too save even more money and power

HiddenDragon 10:20 pm 11 Apr 13

This will be exciting news for people being born about now, and their children and grandchildren – particularly if all the cheerful budget forecasts – for federal, state and territory governments – and the gloom and doom predictions about the costs of the demographic time bomb, prove to be entirely wrong.

Thumper 8:27 pm 11 Apr 13

poetix said :

So long as the engineers ensure that the buttresses are strong enough:

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/gems/the-tay-bridge-disaster

Ah, William McGonagall. Widely considered the worst poet in the entire history of the English language…

Anna Key 8:18 pm 11 Apr 13

Why aren’t Gunghalin residents getting their own dedicated high speed rail link?

Pork Hunt 7:43 pm 11 Apr 13

poetix said :

So long as the engineers ensure that the buttresses are strong enough:

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/gems/the-tay-bridge-disaster

Is a buttress a female butt?

poetix 7:00 pm 11 Apr 13

So long as the engineers ensure that the buttresses are strong enough:

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/gems/the-tay-bridge-disaster

caf 6:40 pm 11 Apr 13

tim_c said :

I’ve often thought they could at least upgrade the existing track to be standard speed which would be much cheaper than high-speed rail – the XPT is capable of cruising at around 160km/h if it’s on a decent track. Without traffic delays and the forest of uncoordinated traffic lights in each town, it would still be much faster than taking your car.

The main problem with the existing track is the steam-age alignment – all those twists, turns and grades mean that it doesn’t matter how much you upgrade the track itself, the XPT still isn’t going to be cruising at 160km/h on it. A straighter alignment is needed.

(I reckon you could do worse for a high speed rail link that run an elevated Shinkansen-style track down the median of the Hume Freeway/highway, presuming that meets safety standards).

shauno 6:33 pm 11 Apr 13

Pork Hunt said :

shauno said :

Pork Hunt said :

shauno said :

The best way forward with this is to go with the French TGV SNCF they have already done the decaded worth of development so there is no need to go and re invent the wheel so to speak. All we need to do is build the tracks. And just think if we didn’t have this 300 billion gross debt hanging over our heads things like this could be much easily afforded. Its most probably the reason they have it spread over 45 years. Which is insane we could and should build this in 10 years.

When I become the benevolent dictator of this country, you shall be my transport minister and possibly the defence materiel minster.
Why can’t we buy the next generation of the French train or even the Japanese one? Buy a system off the shelf for Gawds sake and don’t be like Defence ffs.

Because if we do that it really will take 40 odd years to build. And the TGV isn’t old technology its been in continues development and you can forget about Maglevs. If labor decided on a Maglev it would be built by around the year 2250.

I think you have misunderstood. I am on your side here.
If we were to buy French or Japanese, then surely we would be getting the latest version of what they have and not some whimsical pie in the sky pos…

Yep Im with you now lol.

bundah 6:16 pm 11 Apr 13

Pork Hunt said :

shauno said :

Pork Hunt said :

shauno said :

The best way forward with this is to go with the French TGV SNCF they have already done the decaded worth of development so there is no need to go and re invent the wheel so to speak. All we need to do is build the tracks. And just think if we didn’t have this 300 billion gross debt hanging over our heads things like this could be much easily afforded. Its most probably the reason they have it spread over 45 years. Which is insane we could and should build this in 10 years.

When I become the benevolent dictator of this country, you shall be my transport minister and possibly the defence materiel minster.
Why can’t we buy the next generation of the French train or even the Japanese one? Buy a system off the shelf for Gawds sake and don’t be like Defence ffs.

Because if we do that it really will take 40 odd years to build. And the TGV isn’t old technology its been in continues development and you can forget about Maglevs. If labor decided on a Maglev it would be built by around the year 2250.

I think you have misunderstood. I am on your side here.
If we were to buy French or Japanese, then surely we would be getting the latest version of what they have and not some whimsical pie in the sky pos…

We’ll be levitating before we get a Maglev.I think it would be awesome to have a TGV from Canberra-Sydney,bring it on real fast i say!

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