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Unwarranted speeding fines at Northbourne/London Circuit?

By Albigeois - 5 June 2009 79

Has anyone recently received a speeding fine for the Northbourne/London Circuit intersection?  I recieved four speeding fines in the last month. FOUR! 

I do not speed.  I have had my driver’s licence for 8 years and in that time I have never received a speeding fine, because I do not speed.

On May 14, 15, 19 and 24 I allegedly passed through the Northbourne Ave/London Circuit intersection at 69, 71, 70 and 69 km/h respectively.

It is true I passed through this intersection at the times indicated. I know the intersection well, although I no longer go through it regularly. I am aware of the speed limit and take care not to go over.

I cannot believe that I knowingly sped through this intersection on these occasions, and I am having a lot of trouble believing that I was in fact speeding. Is it possible the camera is out?

Has anyone had a similar experience at that intersection recently?

I know that a while ago there were cases in Sydney of a camera being out in the harbouor tunnel that meant people kept getting fines when they weren’t speeding. I honestly think this could be the case here… advice?

What’s Your opinion?


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bellaa 7:46 pm 08 Jul 09

MOONIE said :

My friend wrote to the RTA a week after the incident (10ks over) and they wrote back within 30 mins to say the fine was cancelled. Just need some poetic license. This was done via the email system on the back of the ticket. I guess the trick to cancelling fines is to do it before the fine expires, after that it’s just bad luck.

Any idea what they actally wrote? What was their defence?

monomania 4:19 pm 08 Jun 09

Easy calculator for speed checks 😉

1. If the distance on your odometer is greater than the actual marked distance travelled you are travelling at a lower speed than what is shown on your speedo.

2. If the distance on your odometer is less than the actual marked distance travelled you are travelling at a higher speed than what is shown on your speedo.

Over a 5km speed check distance traveling at 80km/h the approximate speeds are

Distance on odometer (Km)              Out by                       Actual Speed (km/h)
                                                                                                      Speedo on 80 (to 0.5km/h)
                     4.7                                            +6%                                        85
                     4.8                                            +4%                                        83
                     4.9                                            +2%                                        81
                     5.0                                            +0%                                        80
                     5.1                                            -2%                                         78
                     5.2                                            -4%                                         77
                     5.3                                            -6%                                         75

monomania 3:55 pm 08 Jun 09

Easy calculator for speed checks 😉

1. If the distance on your odometer is greater than the actual marked distance travelled you are travelling at a lower speed than what is shown on your speedo.

2. If the distance on your odometer is less than the actual marked distance travelled you are travelling at a higher speed than what is shown on your speedo.

Over a 5km speed check distance traveling at 80km/h the approximate speeds are

Distance on odometer (Km)                    Out by                    Actual Speed (km/h)
                                                                                                         Speedo reading 80km/h (to 0.5km/h)

                     4.7                                              +6%                               85
4.8 +4% 83
4.9 +2% 81
5.0 +0% 80
5.1 -2% 78
5.2 -4% 77
5.3 -6% 75

bigred 10:52 pm 07 Jun 09

I go through there quite often in a number of vehicles. Never had a speeding ine (voluntary contribution to revenue). Me thinks you beter take a reality check.

vg 10:04 pm 07 Jun 09

astrojax said :

vg said :

I’m curious why the OP stated the fines were unwarranted.

I mean you sped, therefore they ARE warranted

but clearly, vg, the op is disputing that s/he was in fact speeding – ‘taking care not to go over [the limit]’ is pretty clear, no?

I reckon 4 fines within 10 days says otherwise. I have driven through that intersection at least 100 times this year.

Guess what, no fines

One of 2 things are broken. The driver or the speedo. It ain’t the camera

Special G 8:11 pm 07 Jun 09

Me thinks the speedo wouldn’t be out either as then you’d be getting a fine everyday and not just 4 in a month. More likely on those mornings you were:

a – running late and speeding
b – not paying attention and speeding
c – speeding just cause
d – thinking about something else and speeding
e – responsible for the 4 fines you got because you were speeding.

suck it up.

Not trying to sound like a tosser, but I’ve met plenty of people who struggle to control a vehicle’s speed to within 5km/h, even on the flat. If you think your doing 60, but your speedo says 65, and it’s a few km/h out anyway, it’s not hard at all to get pinged.

Check your speedo, then have a long hard think.

astrojax 6:11 pm 07 Jun 09

vg said :

I’m curious why the OP stated the fines were unwarranted.

I mean you sped, therefore they ARE warranted

but clearly, vg, the op is disputing that s/he was in fact speeding – ‘taking care not to go over [the limit]’ is pretty clear, no?

el 5:38 pm 07 Jun 09

Er, yes – thanks for describing it far, far better than I could monomania 🙂

monomania 12:10 am 07 Jun 09

For vehicles with a maximum manufacturer’s speed above 150km/h the vehicle is tested at three speeds.

40km/h on the speedo the error can be 0.1*40 + 4 = 8km/h so a real speed between 32 and 40km/h is OK

80km/h on the speedo the error can be 0.1*80 + 4 = 12km/h so a real speed between 68 and 80km/h is OK

120km/h on the speedo the error can be 0.1*120 + 4 = 16km/h so a speed between 104 and 120km/h is OK

Still a vehicle would have to have a really crappy speedo to fail to conform to this design rule on the low side.

el 7:09 pm 06 Jun 09

Bah, didn’t even try to hit ‘Post’ that time.

0.1*100+4
^^^ the 10% part.

el 7:08 pm 06 Jun 09

OK, so say the actual speed is 100, while the speedo is displaying 110.

(110-100) = 10, which is smaller than or equal to (0.1*100+4) = 14
^^^ this would be the 10%
part.

Clown Killer 5:50 pm 06 Jun 09

From the ADRs:

5.3. The speed indicated shall not be less than the true speed of the vehicle. At the
test speeds specified in paragraph 5.2.5. above, there shall be the following
relationship between the speed displayed (V1 ) and the true speed (V2): 0 ? (V1 – V2) ? 0.1 V2 + 4 km/h

Whick pretty much settles it.

Special G 4:46 pm 06 Jun 09

Go and get your speedo checked then you could produce the accuracy certificate in defence. Although then they could produce the photo.

vg 3:34 pm 06 Jun 09

“I did read somewhere where someone took their fine to court & was let off because there weren’t any warning signs.”

No obligation to post signs. You don’t see Police advising people where they set laser up or indeed warn people that they will be pulled over if they speed. No prior notification of RBT sites.

Maybe no speed limit signs, you are thinking, as there is no obligation to post warning signs, they are just a courtesy. The obligation is on you, as the driver, to know the limit. If you don’t then default to 60 or 50 in built up areas. Its not rocket surgery. Not every single driver in the ACT gets fined every year. In fact some drivers go through their entire lives without being booked. There is a lesson there for people who whinge about being booked. For most people if you keep you head out of your ass when driving you will avoid any problems

TP 3000 2:14 pm 06 Jun 09

mooo_cow said :

I am sure that the government has to put those big huge sings up for a reason if they didn’t they wouldn’t, why would they, they would make more revenue, which is not suppose to be part of why you have speed cameras in the first place.

I did read somewhere where someone took their fine to court & was let off because there weren’t any warning signs.

But one funny thing is that the signs warning you about speed cameras are never hit by cars, the sign next to it may be, but never the speed camera sign

vg 2:14 pm 06 Jun 09

I’m curious why the OP stated the fines were unwarranted.

I mean you sped, therefore they ARE warranted

el 2:06 pm 06 Jun 09

I would be serously surprised to fing that any late model car’s spedo was out by more than 3 or 4km/h at 100km/h. claiming 10% error or wosre is crazy talk.

Well, as much as you’d be ‘serously surprised to fing’ something like that, it’s documented in the ADRs. Hell, even tyre wear will affect a speedos accuracy.

monomania 12:33 pm 06 Jun 09

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Put up or shut up. Name one fixed speed camera in the ACT that isn’t marked with at least one enormous ‘SPEED CAMERA AHEAD’ sign.

I know you and I don’t agree on the speed camera issue, but to be fair, speed cameras in ACT are VERY well sign posted, with plenty of warning.

I have never been caught by a fixed speed camera but I have had a few scares. I still believe the speed/redlight camera just past the junction of Hindmarsh Dr and Melrose Dr (at Bell St?) is not well marked because the left sign that drops the limit from 80 to 60 sits above a large direction sign and drivers are concentrating on the traffic light ahead but this was disputed in a previous post.

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