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What is happening with the bus network?

By Tyyco 20 March 2015 48

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Yesterday morning I took the bus from Phillip to Civic at about 8am, or I should say, I eventually took the bus from Phillip to Civic, getting on a bus at 8:40am. The 300 series buses were few and far between and when they did come, they would (or could not stop) as they were full.

When I finally managed to board a bus, thanks to a passenger alighting, when we got to the Woden interchange there were probably 200 people waiting to board. (My bus took two lucky souls)

A elderly gentleman on the bus said the situation was the same on Tuesday.

Does anyone know what has changed or  what is going on with the buses?

What’s Your opinion?


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dungfungus 10:38 pm 25 Mar 15

Evilomlap said :

Kim F said :

dungfungus said :

Evilomlap said :

dungfungus said :

It seems every second ACTION bus now has full advertising on the sides and glass windows above.
I am not sure if people inside can see out but people on the outside can’t see in and more importantly, drivers can’t see through both sides.
I believe this is a safety hazard as when when a bus is waiting to turn left at an intersection and a car is waiting to turn right, the driver of the car has to wait until the bus has cleared the intersection to enable the car driver to proceed with safety after it can be seen that no traffic is coming from the left.
I understand that tinted windows on cars are illegal so what law gives buses the concession to make their window glass opaque?

I can speak as both a current bus passenger and former driver of heavy vehicles. It’s not a visibility issue for either. You can see out the windows easily as a passenger. As a driver, you don’t do headchecks as you would in a car, the drivers don’t use the same windows the passengers do. As a driver you rely heavily on your mirrors (which are far larger than a normal car and provide excellent visibility), your indicators, and common sense. You can’t get a heavy vehicle licence without learning a lot about this stuff.

No, no, no!
I am talking about someone driving another vehicle who pulls up next to one of these buses covered with signwriting.
They can’t see through the bus in order to gauge whether there is any cross traffic coming.

Would have to be a bleedin’ high car to be able to see through the busses windows!

LOL my thoughts exactly.

Never in almost 20 years of driving on city and rural roads have I encountered a situation where I have needed to look *through* a bus to gauge traffic, even when driving vehicles high enough to even make this a possibility.

It is also a problem for passengers:
http://www.danielbowen.com/2013/12/12/train-window-ads/
Have a good laugh at the expense of the visually disabled why don’t you.

Evilomlap 12:13 pm 24 Mar 15

Kim F said :

dungfungus said :

Evilomlap said :

dungfungus said :

It seems every second ACTION bus now has full advertising on the sides and glass windows above.
I am not sure if people inside can see out but people on the outside can’t see in and more importantly, drivers can’t see through both sides.
I believe this is a safety hazard as when when a bus is waiting to turn left at an intersection and a car is waiting to turn right, the driver of the car has to wait until the bus has cleared the intersection to enable the car driver to proceed with safety after it can be seen that no traffic is coming from the left.
I understand that tinted windows on cars are illegal so what law gives buses the concession to make their window glass opaque?

I can speak as both a current bus passenger and former driver of heavy vehicles. It’s not a visibility issue for either. You can see out the windows easily as a passenger. As a driver, you don’t do headchecks as you would in a car, the drivers don’t use the same windows the passengers do. As a driver you rely heavily on your mirrors (which are far larger than a normal car and provide excellent visibility), your indicators, and common sense. You can’t get a heavy vehicle licence without learning a lot about this stuff.

No, no, no!
I am talking about someone driving another vehicle who pulls up next to one of these buses covered with signwriting.
They can’t see through the bus in order to gauge whether there is any cross traffic coming.

Would have to be a bleedin’ high car to be able to see through the busses windows!

LOL my thoughts exactly.

Never in almost 20 years of driving on city and rural roads have I encountered a situation where I have needed to look *through* a bus to gauge traffic, even when driving vehicles high enough to even make this a possibility.

Kim F 7:36 am 24 Mar 15

dungfungus said :

Evilomlap said :

dungfungus said :

It seems every second ACTION bus now has full advertising on the sides and glass windows above.
I am not sure if people inside can see out but people on the outside can’t see in and more importantly, drivers can’t see through both sides.
I believe this is a safety hazard as when when a bus is waiting to turn left at an intersection and a car is waiting to turn right, the driver of the car has to wait until the bus has cleared the intersection to enable the car driver to proceed with safety after it can be seen that no traffic is coming from the left.
I understand that tinted windows on cars are illegal so what law gives buses the concession to make their window glass opaque?

I can speak as both a current bus passenger and former driver of heavy vehicles. It’s not a visibility issue for either. You can see out the windows easily as a passenger. As a driver, you don’t do headchecks as you would in a car, the drivers don’t use the same windows the passengers do. As a driver you rely heavily on your mirrors (which are far larger than a normal car and provide excellent visibility), your indicators, and common sense. You can’t get a heavy vehicle licence without learning a lot about this stuff.

No, no, no!
I am talking about someone driving another vehicle who pulls up next to one of these buses covered with signwriting.
They can’t see through the bus in order to gauge whether there is any cross traffic coming.

Would have to be a bleedin’ high car to be able to see through the busses windows!

JC 12:03 am 24 Mar 15

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Ideas like this should have been explored more fully, especially when you consider that we could have started by using existing buses to keep cost down, then move to newer buses, then use the newer buses for the existing bus network while we put the rail down over the busways. If we were smart we might even have been able to build a bus/traim hybrid system whereby the route remains static but the vehicles vary depending on demand.

I like the idea of modernising public transport, but the whole light rail concept just doesn’t seem very well thought out.

More or less what they are doing actually. Started off using existing buses and routes. Introduced a high frequency (by Australian standards) route, with new buses and moving towards light rail.

As for the thought, been plenty of thought put into it really. The whole corridor has for many many years now (actually from the very early days of Gungahlin) been developed as a high density transport corridor, the light rail is the natural extension of that.

rommeldog56 8:36 pm 23 Mar 15

rosscoact said :

Re the roads in Gungahlin, Gundaroo Drive, Horsepark Drive, Gungahlin Drive, Flemington Road are all pretty congested of a morning and will require duplication in the near future as the town keeps growing.

If the tram won’t stop the conjection and the need to duplicate roads, then remind me why the ACT Gov’t is ploughing ahead with it ?

gazket 7:32 pm 23 Mar 15

Surely there is a security risk with people out side not able to see inside the bus. What happens if a Mad Monis takes over a bus. He has a big advantage, no one can see him.

Someone can steal an advertised bus drive right up to parliament house with the inside loaded with anything inside . No one can see.

dungfungus 5:05 pm 23 Mar 15

Evilomlap said :

dungfungus said :

It seems every second ACTION bus now has full advertising on the sides and glass windows above.
I am not sure if people inside can see out but people on the outside can’t see in and more importantly, drivers can’t see through both sides.
I believe this is a safety hazard as when when a bus is waiting to turn left at an intersection and a car is waiting to turn right, the driver of the car has to wait until the bus has cleared the intersection to enable the car driver to proceed with safety after it can be seen that no traffic is coming from the left.
I understand that tinted windows on cars are illegal so what law gives buses the concession to make their window glass opaque?

I can speak as both a current bus passenger and former driver of heavy vehicles. It’s not a visibility issue for either. You can see out the windows easily as a passenger. As a driver, you don’t do headchecks as you would in a car, the drivers don’t use the same windows the passengers do. As a driver you rely heavily on your mirrors (which are far larger than a normal car and provide excellent visibility), your indicators, and common sense. You can’t get a heavy vehicle licence without learning a lot about this stuff.

No, no, no!
I am talking about someone driving another vehicle who pulls up next to one of these buses covered with signwriting.
They can’t see through the bus in order to gauge whether there is any cross traffic coming.

Evilomlap 4:39 pm 23 Mar 15

dungfungus said :

It seems every second ACTION bus now has full advertising on the sides and glass windows above.
I am not sure if people inside can see out but people on the outside can’t see in and more importantly, drivers can’t see through both sides.
I believe this is a safety hazard as when when a bus is waiting to turn left at an intersection and a car is waiting to turn right, the driver of the car has to wait until the bus has cleared the intersection to enable the car driver to proceed with safety after it can be seen that no traffic is coming from the left.
I understand that tinted windows on cars are illegal so what law gives buses the concession to make their window glass opaque?

I can speak as both a current bus passenger and former driver of heavy vehicles. It’s not a visibility issue for either. You can see out the windows easily as a passenger. As a driver, you don’t do headchecks as you would in a car, the drivers don’t use the same windows the passengers do. As a driver you rely heavily on your mirrors (which are far larger than a normal car and provide excellent visibility), your indicators, and common sense. You can’t get a heavy vehicle licence without learning a lot about this stuff.

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