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What is happening with the bus network?

By Tyyco - 20 March 2015 48

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Yesterday morning I took the bus from Phillip to Civic at about 8am, or I should say, I eventually took the bus from Phillip to Civic, getting on a bus at 8:40am. The 300 series buses were few and far between and when they did come, they would (or could not stop) as they were full.

When I finally managed to board a bus, thanks to a passenger alighting, when we got to the Woden interchange there were probably 200 people waiting to board. (My bus took two lucky souls)

A elderly gentleman on the bus said the situation was the same on Tuesday.

Does anyone know what has changed or  what is going on with the buses?

What’s Your opinion?


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48 Responses to
What is happening with the bus network?
miz 1:00 pm 22 Mar 15

Rubyat, are you aware of how much the Capital Metro authority on its own is costing us?

metalblue 9:08 am 22 Mar 15

Pushing the australia card from the nationally recognised student card transition, combined with transport log ons regardless if public transport is free (it should be) and government credit points for fee payments sounds idealistic to me.

If ACTION buses were free, it would make more sense as to why it operates without a profit. Money that ACTION makes from purchasing tickets is not enough and was never enough to make a profit. ACTION is not designed to make money directly from bus fares. ACTION is designed to move people around, and indirectly support the economy, and support education.

The reason for the decline is because of the myway ticket fiasco when it started. People bought myway tickets, charged them up with credit for automatic payments, or otherwise charged with credit and did not use them. This leads to people eventually managing their myway credit properly a few years later, and a predictable drop in profit.

Profit? Why does ACTION need to make a profit at all? They don’t.

dungfungus 8:22 am 22 Mar 15

miz said :

I have it on good authority that 300 route frequency has been reduced – I understand to cover increasing other routes. In other words, there is no money for buses (because all the public transport money is going to the tram)and ACTION is having to cannibalise itself to try and ‘improve’ services.
This means that Canberrans who will never use the planned tram (and which doesn’t even exist yet for those who might use it in the future) are supposed to ‘suck up’ continued less than satisfactory, and declining, public transport. Unacceptable. The government just does not have a Canberra wide public transport plan, only a porkbarrel plan.

Another hurdle for the winning tram consortium to cross will be dealing with the TWU.
Tram drivers in cities where buses compete with trams (integration) receive considerably less money that bus drivers but as someone else mentioned about Canberra, “we are different” so expect a lot of argy-bargy with the drafting of an award for the tram drivers.
Another aspect that will make it interesting is that tram drivers have a separate union and somehow I can’t see the TWU in Canberra accepting that.

rommeldog56 11:43 pm 21 Mar 15

rubaiyat said :

How could that be possible? No significant amounts of money have yet gone into the trams, and ACTION is certainly not in charge of, nor paying for, the alternative Light Rail. More likely There is a driver shortage.

I do agree though that there is no Canberra wide public transport plan. If there was, the Government may actually win over the doubters.

Are you saying they are stashing it all

They are not stashing it – yet. With the 2014-15 territory budget deficit more than doubling to M$712 (i think that was the figure ?) what the ACT Gov’t is trying to do is to reduce ACTION’s operating loss and the cost of providing municiple services whilst raising more revenue from fees, charges, Annual Rates, supporting calls for the GST to increase, etc, in preparation for the est.M$75-100pa lease payments for the next 25 odd years to the tram private partner. That cost to Ratepayers will be in addition to ACTION’s opearting loss each year for the other mass transport system Ratepayers support. They also have to find the $ for the infrastructure costs associated with the tram – which will be very substantial and are the responsibility of the ACT Gov’t – and so, ACT Ratepayers – to fund.

rubaiyat 12:43 pm 21 Mar 15

miz said :

I have it on good authority that 300 route frequency has been reduced – I understand to cover increasing other routes. In other words, there is no money for buses (because all the public transport money is going to the tram)and ACTION is having to cannibalise itself to try and ‘improve’ services.
This means that Canberrans who will never use the planned tram (and which doesn’t even exist yet for those who might use it in the future) are supposed to ‘suck up’ continued less than satisfactory, and declining, public transport. Unacceptable. The government just does not have a Canberra wide public transport plan, only a porkbarrel plan.

How could that be possible? No significant amounts of money have yet gone into the trams, and ACTION is certainly not in charge of, nor paying for, the alternative Light Rail. More likely There is a driver shortage.

I do agree though that there is no Canberra wide public transport plan. If there was, the Government may actually win over the doubters.

Are you saying they are stashing it all

miz 9:56 am 21 Mar 15

I have it on good authority that 300 route frequency has been reduced – I understand to cover increasing other routes. In other words, there is no money for buses (because all the public transport money is going to the tram)and ACTION is having to cannibalise itself to try and ‘improve’ services.
This means that Canberrans who will never use the planned tram (and which doesn’t even exist yet for those who might use it in the future) are supposed to ‘suck up’ continued less than satisfactory, and declining, public transport. Unacceptable. The government just does not have a Canberra wide public transport plan, only a porkbarrel plan.

Innovation 9:30 am 21 Mar 15

I think the 300 routes are ACTION’s most profitable routes (of the few actually that are profitable) so it’s pretty silly to under service that run.

I wonder how many passengers got off at the Albert Hall. Could demand have increased since paid parking in the Parly Triangle?

Kalliste 10:09 pm 20 Mar 15

I don’t catch the 300 to work but I’ve found my bus (58) than normal going both to and from work. It’s also now 5 mins late 🙁

I put this down to uni starting recently and probably more students.. however could be wrong.

Not sure on the 300 front. Have you tried using nxtbus to see what is listed on it?

dungfungus 2:22 pm 20 Mar 15

Solidarity said :

Commercial vehicles can have completely blacked out windows behind the driver, it’s not an issue.

Many utes have advertising covering the entire rear window, as they’re commercial vehicles this is not against the law… Same goes with vans.

That has always been the case.
I am talking about buses doing something different after they were delivered.
Buses are passenger vehicles and so are cars so this means we can cover our car windows with advertising?
I don’t think so.

dungfungus 2:18 pm 20 Mar 15

JC said :

dungfungus said :

It seems every second ACTION bus now has full advertising on the sides and glass windows above.
I am not sure if people inside can see out but people on the outside can’t see in and more importantly, drivers can’t see through both sides.
I believe this is a safety hazard as when when a bus is waiting to turn left at an intersection and a car is waiting to turn right, the driver of the car has to wait until the bus has cleared the intersection to enable the car driver to proceed with safety after it can be seen that no traffic is coming from the left.
I understand that tinted windows on cars are illegal so what law gives buses the concession to make their window glass opaque?

You understand wrong. Tinting is legal just has to be under a certain darkness.

As for buses and advertising if you take a close look the windscreen, drivers window and the front doors are NOT covered. So no visibility issue for the driver what so ever.

Opaque window glass tinting is illegal and we are talking about opaque coverings of window glass, not windscreens. I don’t think you have a clue about what I was trying to say.

Solidarity 12:40 pm 20 Mar 15

Commercial vehicles can have completely blacked out windows behind the driver, it’s not an issue.

Many utes have advertising covering the entire rear window, as they’re commercial vehicles this is not against the law… Same goes with vans.

JC 11:30 am 20 Mar 15

dungfungus said :

It seems every second ACTION bus now has full advertising on the sides and glass windows above.
I am not sure if people inside can see out but people on the outside can’t see in and more importantly, drivers can’t see through both sides.
I believe this is a safety hazard as when when a bus is waiting to turn left at an intersection and a car is waiting to turn right, the driver of the car has to wait until the bus has cleared the intersection to enable the car driver to proceed with safety after it can be seen that no traffic is coming from the left.
I understand that tinted windows on cars are illegal so what law gives buses the concession to make their window glass opaque?

You understand wrong. Tinting is legal just has to be under a certain darkness.

As for buses and advertising if you take a close look the windscreen, drivers window and the front doors are NOT covered. So no visibility issue for the driver what so ever.

dungfungus 11:13 am 20 Mar 15

It seems every second ACTION bus now has full advertising on the sides and glass windows above.
I am not sure if people inside can see out but people on the outside can’t see in and more importantly, drivers can’t see through both sides.
I believe this is a safety hazard as when when a bus is waiting to turn left at an intersection and a car is waiting to turn right, the driver of the car has to wait until the bus has cleared the intersection to enable the car driver to proceed with safety after it can be seen that no traffic is coming from the left.
I understand that tinted windows on cars are illegal so what law gives buses the concession to make their window glass opaque?

Solidarity 10:34 am 20 Mar 15

It is being crippled intentionally to push the train agenda.

Leon 10:05 am 20 Mar 15

The Government seems to have abandoned its 2012 election commitment to increase Canberra’s public transport journey-to-work mode share to 10.5% by 2016.

In 2011 the mode share was 7.8%. Since then population has grown faster than ACTION patronage. We are on track for 7.6% in 2016.

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