WIN TV… loves Wollongong… not really Canberra

greeneyed 21 August 2009 45

So tonight we hear the news that WIN TV is going to broadcast the Wollongong Dragons V Brisbane Broncos live across their network in NSW and Queensland tomorrow night (Friday 21 August). This is despite Channel Nine broadcasting the Wests Tigers V Parramatta Eels in Sydney, and the normal practice would be… what is seen in Sydney, is seen in NSW and the ACT.

On the (unfortunately rare, and unjustifiably rare) occasions when Channel Nine has decided to put the Canberra Raiders on free to air TV on a Friday night… but invariablly decided to put the Raiders on the delayed game at 9.30pm, we were told that it was IMPOSSIBLE for WIN TV to broadcast the Raiders live at 7.30pm – even if it was a game actually being played outside Canberra. Yes, WIN TV told us we must see what Sydney sees. The Raiders must be on delay, just like in Sydney.

So what gives now? Suddenly it IS possible for WIN TV to flick a switch and show the game that ISN’T on in Sydney?

Yes, we now know, WIN TV doesn’t give a damn about the Canberra audience. It is Wollongong TV, and they are not interested in serving the Canberra TV market.


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Mick Mick 10:38 am 24 Aug 09

Waiting that extra 2 hours on Friday night was worth it.

GO THE EELS!

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 8:04 pm 23 Aug 09

greeneyed said :

Eyeball… they’ve known about the “switch” since at least the 1980s, when live broadcasts were pumped into Canberra when not shown elsewhere.

I’ve worked in broadcast television a long time, and I’d like you to tell me how you think things actually work.

Thanks.

2604 2604 5:48 pm 23 Aug 09

Genie said :

LOL The Raiders only got that massive crowd because they were playing TOP OF THE LADDER!!

Thanks, Captain Obvious. Of course the games against the best teams are going to get the best crowds! If nothing else, all the St George fans who’ve been living under a rock for ~30 years are now out professing their support for the team, and turned up. That said, the majority of the stadium was there in support of the Raiders, who didn’t disappoint.

Genie said :

The Canberra Raiders simply do not draw enough support to have “live” games on free to air tv. Perhaps when they are good enough to stay in the top 4, and STILL don’t get free to air coverage start whining then.

LOL, I didn’t mention a thing about the lack of FTA coverage of Raiders games, just pointed out that there were just a few more than “10” people at the game against St George. But what you’re inferring demonstrates what the real problem is – the attitude amongst Canberrans that if a team isn’t winning, it isn’t worth supporting.

vg vg 3:36 pm 23 Aug 09

“And I very much doubt there are more St George supporters in Canberra than Raiders supporters. “

And, genius, I can guarantee there are more St G/Ill supporters, sponsors $ and attention attracted nation wide. Do you not understand the simplest notions of market economics? The Raiders are not a marquee team. Haven’t been for the last 10 years.

And how, exactly, are you privy to all these ‘decisions’?

Genie Genie 1:07 pm 23 Aug 09

10? Try 19,350 people at last Raiders home game, and an average of more than 11,000 for each of the 11 home games so far this season. No wonder you’re jealous of figures like that given that the AFL has drawn an average of less than 10,000 at each of its TWO fixtures this season.

LOL The Raiders only got that massive crowd because they were playing TOP OF THE LADDER!!

And the average has only gone up to 11k because of that game.

The Canberra Raiders simply do not draw enough support to have “live” games on free to air tv. Perhaps when they are good enough to stay in the top 4, and STILL don’t get free to air coverage start whining then.

Deckard Deckard 12:51 pm 23 Aug 09

greeneyed said :

VG… “and radio”??!! It is 2009 and it is entirely reasonable to expect vision with the sound!

It’s all there you just have to pay for it. Am watching the Raiders play right now 🙂

Channel 9, WIN, whatever aren’t there for a community service. They’re trying to make money. They’ll put whatever show on they think will rate higher.

greeneyed greeneyed 12:15 pm 23 Aug 09

Eyeball… they’ve known about the “switch” since at least the 1980s, when live broadcasts were pumped into Canberra when not shown elsewhere.

greeneyed greeneyed 12:08 pm 23 Aug 09

VG… “and radio”??!! It is 2009 and it is entirely reasonable to expect vision with the sound!

And when the decision was made to not broadcast the Raiders V Titans early in the year, positions on the ladder were irrelevant. And I very much doubt there are more St George supporters in Canberra than Raiders supporters. I am certainly using the brain, shame others are not. The issue is why WIN TV is not serving the Canberra market.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 2:48 am 23 Aug 09

I can imagine the guys in their production department right now looking for this switch.

vg vg 12:02 am 23 Aug 09

And one more little bit for you greeneyed. You might want to check out the St. George bit of St.George/Illawarra. I would suggest that a straw poll of RL supporters would find a lot more support that franchise than the Raiders.

It’s not just a ‘Wollongong’ decision

2604 2604 11:06 pm 22 Aug 09

bd84 said :

You could add in the crowd of about 10 people would probably reduce to 5 if the game was televised live too.

10? Try 19,350 people at last Raiders home game, and an average of more than 11,000 for each of the 11 home games so far this season. No wonder you’re jealous of figures like that given that the AFL has drawn an average of less than 10,000 at each of its TWO fixtures this season.

Then again, you’re part of the problem yourself. Easier to incessantly criticise a team in another, more successful code, than actually getting out and supporting your own code, isn’t it?

vg vg 10:38 pm 22 Aug 09

“This is 2009. I find it extraordinary that all games are not available “live”.”

Between Ch9, Fox and radio they all are.

Use your brain. It isn’t a hard choice when one leads the comp and the other can’t make the semis. Stop whingeing, its clouding your logic

greeneyed greeneyed 7:54 pm 22 Aug 09

Eyeball… I’m afraid you are the delusional one. WIN TV doesn’t have cameras at any NRL games, ever. Channel Nine produce the telecasts. All they do is take a feed from Channel Nine.

As shown last night, they can simply choose to take one telecast from Nine, or the other.

They actually proved last night that it is, in fact, as simple as “flicking the switch”. Maybe a little more complex, but in 2009, technically very achieveable.

My point is WIN CHOOSE to excercise the choice for Wollongong viewers last night (indeed they imposed that choice on their entire network) but have refused point blank to exercise that choice for Canberra viewers in recent years.

greeneyed greeneyed 7:48 pm 22 Aug 09

VG you seem to be missing the point again.

We have had two games on Nine this year… and I correct what I said before. One was a Friday night game V Titans from the Gold Coast and the other was a Sunday afternoon game V Manly.

No one gets the Sunday game live, not that I understand that either.

However, on Friday night, there are two games. One is live, one is delayed by more than two hours.

WIN TV had the perfect opportunity to beam in the Titans games live into Canberra. It is, in fact, easy to organise. It’s been done many times in the past (prior to WIN’s woeful service for the Canberra community).

But they said… no it can’t be done. Only now we know that it CAN BE DONE. They just did it for the Dragons supporters in Wollongong, and it is something they have refused to do more than once in recent years for the Raiders supporters in Canberra.

Now we know what WIN TV thinks of the people of Canberra.

Fox Sports. They broadcast live, but NOT the three Channel Nine/WIN games.

The only way to see the Nine/WIN games live is if Nine/WIN choose to show them live.

This is 2009. I find it extraordinary that all games are not available “live”.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 3:42 pm 22 Aug 09

MrPC said :

Surely WIN can access the same satellite feed that 9 Brisbane use to transmit the live Brisbane NRL feed over to Imparja in Alice Springs, on those nights when we really want the Brisbane feed to go into Canberra. The same satellite feed surely can reach both places.

No.

QTQ9 Brisbane -> TCN9 Sydney -> WINTV Wollongong -> Your television

MrPC MrPC 12:42 pm 22 Aug 09

Surely WIN can access the same satellite feed that 9 Brisbane use to transmit the live Brisbane NRL feed over to Imparja in Alice Springs, on those nights when we really want the Brisbane feed to go into Canberra. The same satellite feed surely can reach both places.

Trunking symbols Trunking symbols 9:28 am 22 Aug 09

southernyassfella said :

Damn, Wikipedia lied to me again! it says WIN stands for Wollongong Illawarra New South Wales – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIN_Television

Its a shame to miss the live Tigers game, but foxtel are replaying it at 3.30am Saturday on Fox 3, so i just have to record it to watch at a decent hour on Saturday.

The name of the company is Wollongong Illawarra Network. Every TV station callsign in NSW ends with N which stands for NSW, just as every Victorian station ends with V for Victoria and so on.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 1:37 am 22 Aug 09

greeneyed said :

To VG

The point is this: Canberra people would much prefer to watch the Canberra Raiders live on the occasions they have been selected by Nine… on the miserable two occasions they have been selected by Nine this year.

Nine decides to put the Raiders on delay. They are games against Penrith and the Gold Coast, both at the away venues for Canberra. It would be a simple flick of a switch to beam the Raiders game into Canberra live. WIN TV “declines” to do so. They tell us it is impossible. We must take what is being shown in Sydney.

Suddenly, tonight, WIN TV decides it IS possible to flick the switch, and not do they decide to supply Wollongong with the Wollongong Dragons V Brisbane Broncos, they supply the whole of country NSW and the ACT with the game!

Brisbane is always going to be on in Queensland… it happens every week. This is about what is supplied into the Canberra TV market.

I’m not arguing with the decision of WIN TV to screen the Wollongong Dragons V Brisbane tonight. What I’m suggesting is they have double standards. They tell us one thing, then do another. What I’m suggesting is they do not care about the Canberra public. They are not serving our local TV market in the way that they should.

So when I ask the question, I think I’ve thought it through. I think I’ve thought of all the points you raise. And then I think I know the point I’m making is an entirely reasonable one.

WIN TV clearly does not care about the population of Canberra.

I think you’ve become too ‘green eyed’ that you can’t adhere to reason.

If you keep telling yourself that there’s some guy who is just going to ‘flick a switch’ and that it’s all so easy then I’m afraid you’re quite delusional.

Not only would WIN have probably negotiated the switching of the games to showcase their sponsored team/stadium well in advance, but their crew/facilities are probably involved in beaming this out to TCN9 in Sydney and not the other way around.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 1:18 am 22 Aug 09

Ryan said :

all WIN had to do was pick up the feed from Nine QLD, not Nine NSW.

Hey Ryan, guess how WIN TV in Wollongong would have to pick up a feed from QTQ9 in Brisbane?

It would have to go through TCN9 in Sydney.

I probably exaggerated a bit in my first post by using the word ‘impossible’, but I don’t think people realise how things actually work.

vg vg 11:25 pm 21 Aug 09

At best Canberra would add what, 20,000 total viewers?

The WIN Sports broadcasters don’t care about Canberra because they don’t have to. Canberra isn’t a marquee team.

Get Fox, you don’t miss them at all.

I reiterate what I said before

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