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WTF? More Marist Trickery – Are these guys marist brothers or master magicians?

notdingers 2 July 2008 85

 Story today from the Canberra Times

“Former Marist College headmasters and teachers will be sued individually for the sexual abuse Brother Kostka Chute inflicted on boys at the Canberra school in the 1980s and 1990s, after the Marist Brothers denied liability…

‘It is now clear that the information we passed on to you regarding the entity which operated Marist Brothers Canberra is not correct. The Trustees of the Marist Brothers … did not operate Marist Brothers Canberra,” the letter from the firm’s senior partner, Patrick Monahan, said.”

So it looks again that rather then any admission of regret or attempt to make amends the Marist Brothers are going to drag this out into an even more long and complicated legal process.

Should the Marist Brothers Canberra sign have small print saying “This school is not authorised or operated by Marist Brothers. Any views or illegal actions commited on these ground are not the views or actions of The Trustees of Marist Borthers” or should it just be replaced altogether with this sign


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ant 11:09 pm 20 Oct 08

Story on right now on Lateline (ABC) about the attempts to wriggle out of responsibility by saying Marist Brothers didn’t own or operate the school. A bit of investigative journalism, the real sort. Tehy’re going for the jugular.

Canberra Gardener 9:36 pm 23 Jul 08

AMEN…..maristboy…….sorry, f&@kyeh well said.

maristboy 1:10 pm 18 Jul 08

I don’t know what made me think of this creep after all these years, but lo and behold they might be dishing out some justice to him and the gang of leeches we used to call teachers. I was at Penshurst Marist from 1971 – 76. Along with Robert Dunn, a nameless teacher of English & Social Studies and the rest, Kostka sticks out in my memory as a shameless abuser, although we on the outside knew none of it at the time.

I have vivid memories of watching TV shows on the ABC (we were so excited that we had a TV in our classroom) not knowing it gave Kostka the perfect chance to have a posse of three or four boys to fondle and caress. Not in any way having any idea of such monsters as he, I remember thinking that’Brother didn’t like me, so I should try harder to be good’ The best I got was a routine 6 of the best; how lucky I was!

I still remember the day when one of these boys ran screaming out of our classroom and out of the school gate. We all thought that he was crazy. Then in 1974, when charges were successfully made against this English teacher (who was very popular), we all made life hell for the (other)kid because we all thought that was making it up. How wrong we were.

My point here is that we were inncocent kids with no knowledge of such things and these bastards went for in for the kill.

I remember being so excited going to a new squash court for sport in South Hurstville which to our surprise had a sauna. We were really thrilled to end up being in a sauna. Sadly though we were with none other than Bob Dunne. We honestly had no idea that this spider was getting his rocks off, sharing some heat with a posse of young teens.

As for the culture of violence, just ask anyone from this time about ‘The Bog slam’ or Br Simon.

So, I hope for healing and justice for all involved. I am a teacher myself, and a damn good one. Maybe all this horror taught me about what NOT to do as a professional. May they all rot in hell!

Zilog 6:22 am 08 Jul 08

I can see something sweet and poetic in having to sue the individuals rather than the body, as the individuals are the body, and are individually responsible, and morally should be individually held to account. Stuff prosecuting the body; prosecute the persons who failed in their duty! That the body sought to distance itself may yet serve the interests of the victims, if not monetarily, then at least morally.

BerraBoy68 6:58 pm 06 Jul 08

Canberra Gardener said :

Marist College Principal Richard Sidorko says the school has always encouraged students to come forward.

“We wanted anyone who was a potential victim or who had been a victim, their families, or others to come forward and to let us know, to make it known,” he said.

“The other thing we did right from the start was to take an approach of openly and honestly communicating with the college community.”

No it hasn’t. The school only admitted Lyons worked at Marist once two ex-students went to the Canberra Times to highlight the fact and also alert the community to Kostka’s activities. Up to that point the school and Marist Order seemed very happy to stay silent on Lyons past employment and previous allegations of abuse at the school.

Zee – if you are interested in what’s happening the lobby group can be contacted at timeforhealingmc@gmail.com A website for the group is also being developed.

zee 5:56 pm 06 Jul 08

Thanks for posting this story up, with the links to the ABC story (and stateline in the comments). I don’t read RA every day like a few people here, so I missed the earlier thread this week. But I do kind of trust RA to be current on the story.

BerraBoy68 11:25 am 06 Jul 08

And expecting victims to come forward for help by the Catholic counselling service is naive in the extreme…. How they can expect anybody who has been abused to now trust the Catholic church is just staggering.

Canberra Gardener 9:38 am 06 Jul 08

If Marist begin to think that they have done anything right regarding this matter, I suggest they take a long hard look at themselves.

Does Sidorko know that “Open and honest communication” means telling the truth?

OK Dick…..we are all ears.

WHAT’S THE TRUTH……..

Canberra Gardener 9:31 am 06 Jul 08

Former Marist students call for sexual abuse investigation
ABC Online

Former students of Canberra’s Marist College are forming a lobby group to call for a full investigation into sexual abuse allegations at the school.

John William Chute, who taught at Marist under the religious name of Brother Kostka in the 1980s, is now behind bars for molesting students.

Dozens of alleged victims are also launching civil action against other former teachers.

Former student Mike Desmond says those who attended the school 20 years ago deserve to know the full extent of the sexual abuse.

“There’s a lot of comment being passed around Canberra, or across Australia, just expressing discontent with the way things are going with what’s happened, the general culture at Marist over the last 20 or 30 years,” he said.

“Myself and a couple of ex-students thought it would be good to get together a forum or a group so we can discuss this and hopefully get some resolution for the victims.”

Marist College Principal Richard Sidorko says the school has always encouraged students to come forward.

“We wanted anyone who was a potential victim or who had been a victim, their families, or others to come forward and to let us know, to make it known,” he said.

“The other thing we did right from the start was to take an approach of openly and honestly communicating with the college community.”

The Huntter 10:15 pm 05 Jul 08

The transcript for the Stateline item should be available in the next few days from the ABC website. Go to http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/act/

BerraBoy68 3:00 pm 05 Jul 08

I found the victims story very touching and confronting. He is a very brave person.

Canberra Gardener 2:20 pm 05 Jul 08

They had a victim (disguised) give a very raw and candid outline of what lyons did to him. It was hard to watch, but my hat goes off to him for his courage.

Marist Principle said sorry a lot, but didn’t give me any confidence that he will do his job and resolve this issue for all involved.

Jason Parkinson said a lot in support of the victims and trashing the Church’s spineless, corrupt, morally contempt ways.

They touched on the history of Kostka and Lyons and where things are up to. Should be interesting if they follow this up when more cases are lodged.

any body else got more detail to add

ant 2:02 pm 05 Jul 08

I missed Stateline… can you give a synopsis of the Marist story?

Stateline is a really good show, they cover a good range of issues and they do it well. Their coverage of the Canberra fires issues and aftermath was surprisingly hard-hitting.

BerraBoy68 11:56 am 04 Jul 08

Those interested in the progress of the Marist case are urged to watch Stateline tonight on the ABC at 7:30.

ant 1:15 am 04 Jul 08

starry said:

starry said :

Calling the kettle black is’nt it, ant?

I recall you jumping all over my post as well, not to mention you assumed my job was as a mop/bucket person.
Seams to be alot of bulling one way or another on a forum where i thought we were all free to post our thoughts?

You are free to push your mop, and to post your addled thoughts also.

starry 12:53 am 04 Jul 08

Calling the kettle black is’nt it, ant?

I recall you jumping all over my post as well, not to mention you assumed my job was as a mop/bucket person.
Seams to be alot of bulling one way or another on a forum where i thought we were all free to post our thoughts?

ant 9:45 pm 03 Jul 08

Ingegoodbee said:

Ingeegoodbee said :

And remember if you don’t like the thread then don’t read or comment – there’s no reason to get all bully boy on some newbies ar$e just because you think that you’ve heard enough about sexual predators at Marist.

Well said. and I agree with your entire post, not just the bit I quoted.

BerraBoy68 6:45 pm 03 Jul 08

Mick1965 – Take no notice of mael. His comments are far from representative of the majority of people. Regardless, Jazz has confirmed the Thread is valid and welcome in RA.

Back on topic – I’ve created an e-mail address for others interested in the Marist issue to discuss the formation, and organisation, of a group to discuss the issues and hopefully get the truth out in the open so justice (note: not revenge) can prevail. The address is just being confirmed with another ex-student who is involved in the civil action. Once I have their OK for this I’ll post it for those interested. I now have responses from ex-students and their families in Melb, Syd and Brisbane as well as Canberra, who want to form a group. A dedicated website is also in the offing. That’s not to say we might not still post the odd thread on RA if it’s newsworthy!

Deadmandrinking 4:25 pm 03 Jul 08

That was ‘someone who finds bringing down’. Last minute change in words.

Deadmandrinking 4:21 pm 03 Jul 08

Yes…I’m imitating someone who doesn’t find bringing down sex abuse victims poor form.

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