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Your re-sealed roads are rubbish!

By Traces_of_Nut 10 December 2013 93

Gee, it seems we Canberrans will cop anything – even the rubbish they call road re-sealing. You see (hear and feel) all the loose aggregate (stones) and you think ‘oh, this is temporary, they’ll be back to put the proper bitumen coat on’. But they don’t. So our streets now resemble something worse than you’ll find in the outback.

Our street was fine before they rushed (it took them 45min) a program of re-sealing ahead of the last election. They selected a much larger aggregate size, which means the kids can’t walk on the road without covered footwear, so less bike riding/random acts of exercise. There are still loose stones everywhere years afterward. I rang to complain and I asked what standard do they have to comply with.  Answer: None (they do for newly built roads only).

A few years ago they couldn’t put the roads in the right places (think about the interchange), now they can’t pave properly.  What next? Dirt roads?

I love Canberra but I’m getting sick of this cheap, miserly and sometimes mean government.

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Jere13 11:51 am 16 Jan 14

JC said :

Jere13 said :

I thought it was just water from a truck or something, but on closer inspection it’s all the tar and once again the stones are flying. I’m sorry JC, but for all the ‘economical’ arguments for spray seal, the fact is it looks crap, it damages cars, it’s dangerous for cyclists/kids on scooters and skateboards and it’s rough and noisy.

It is not going to the lowest cost per se, it is going to the most economical way to repair a road that still has a perfectly good base but needs maintenance. It has downsides, though as I keep mentioning there are plenty of well done chipsealed roads in the ACT, many I reckon people wouldn’t even realise. Two that come to mind that I have driven on in recent days is Kingsford Smith Drive through Spence and today in Turner on Watson Street. The only way with both you could even tell they were chip is a splattering of small rocks in the gutter and in the case of Watson street comparing to the non resealed carparks on the side. Of course both sections were resealed a while back now, certainly not recent.

So don’t buy the argument all seal is bad, though again will freely admit that how they are doing it piecemeal now, take for example the bit done on William Hovell to Parkes Way where there are squares of it all over the place is not good. Likewise they seem to be using a larger rock even in suburban streets, which likewise is not good.

Good to hear JC. I agree that some areas seem to have been done very well and the difference is negligable with a really good/thought out seal and asphalt/concrete. The problem is as you explained that far too many have been done to an extreemly poor standard with an aggeregate that is just far to large.

Write some letters people. As I mentioned Shane Rattenbury seems to be far more open to conultation with the community on this than Katy Gallaher (from the responses I have been given anyway). I think if we have the attitude that spray seal is here to stay, BUT that the quality of that seal is highly inconsistent we can sort out which contractor/method is not working and focus on those that are.

JC 6:58 am 16 Jan 14

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

gazket said :

I think there is a safety issue as well with chip seal. ABS brakes don’t work to well on gravel especially when it’s loose.

Whilst there may well be a lots of loose stones, the bulk of the stones are not loose.

In some ways chip seal is more safer, grip in wet whether for one, and visibility in wet whether at night. End of the day every solution has pluses and minuses. Now you don’t see cars skidding off the road every day, despite over 80% of ACT (and probably the whole countries) roads being done with chipseal do you?

Safer ???

So, that randomly spread and a variable size rubble covered in sticky, half melted tar has a safer grip than, say, hotmix. Geeezzzz, I think not. Its not about cars “skidding off the road everyday” ’cause of the crap resurfacing jobs on ACT roads, but handling is, IMHO opinion, adversely and unnecessilarly affected.

It’s not about chipseal per sae – I’ve driven on some pretty good quality chipsealed roads Interstate – it’s about the poor quality of said chipseal being done now in Canberra. It must be at the direction of the ACT Government ’cause I wouldn’t think any self respecting, competent contractor would produce such poor quality road resurfacing as seen in the ACT, if they had an option. I would imagine it It would be too damaging commercially (imagine a contractor giving their road resurfacing handiwork in the ACT as a reference when lodging a tender response in other States !).

I did say in the wet. Reason being nice flat hotmix, when it rains can tend to get glassy, chip the water doesn’t get glassy due to the rocks. Same to with visability, some of the hotmix roads get so glassy, again in the wet that you cannot see in the dark, not an issue on chip.

As for your handling if the handling was so bad as a result you would see the results of poor handling which is accidents. Now yes when they first lay the shit, and yes I do agree it is shit maybe, but that is one of the reasons they reduce the speed limit for the first few days, not that many seem to notice or care.

Now yes will also agree they way they are doing it now is shit and it must be at the governments direction. In the past they would do whole sections of roads, but now they do still do some complete sections, but they also do a lot of patch work, such as what they have done at Glenloch where William Hovell becomes Parkes Way and the size of the rock seems to be much larger too. As mentioned before there are heaps of roads in Canberra that have chip seal that I bet many don’t even realise are chipseal. Done a few years back of course.

rommeldog56 11:06 pm 15 Jan 14

JC said :

gazket said :

I think there is a safety issue as well with chip seal. ABS brakes don’t work to well on gravel especially when it’s loose.

Whilst there may well be a lots of loose stones, the bulk of the stones are not loose.

In some ways chip seal is more safer, grip in wet whether for one, and visibility in wet whether at night. End of the day every solution has pluses and minuses. Now you don’t see cars skidding off the road every day, despite over 80% of ACT (and probably the whole countries) roads being done with chipseal do you?

Safer ??? So, that randomly spread and a variable size rubble covered in sticky, half melted tar has a safer grip than, say, hotmix. Geeezzzz, I think not. Its not about cars “skidding off the road everyday” ’cause of the crap resurfacing jobs on ACT roads, but handling is, IMHO opinion, adversely and unnecessilarly affected.

It’s not about chipseal per sae – I’ve driven on some pretty good quality chipsealed roads Interstate – it’s about the poor quality of said chipseal being done now in Canberra. It must be at the direction of the ACT Government ’cause I wouldn’t think any self respecting, competent contractor would produce such poor quality road resurfacing as seen in the ACT, if they had an option. I would imagine it It would be too damaging commercially (imagine a contractor giving their road resurfacing handiwork in the ACT as a reference when lodging a tender response in other States !).

gooterz 10:28 pm 15 Jan 14

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

gazket said :

I think there is a safety issue as well with chip seal. ABS brakes don’t work to well on gravel especially when it’s loose.

So hopefully no kids run out or ride in front of car unexpectedly on a new chip sealed road because the car won’t stop no matter how hard you push the brake pedal.

How fast are you driving? If you can’t stop your car, you should not be on the road, chip sealed or bitumen.

I think he was making the point that the stopping distance is increased. More likely to hit someone who just jumps out on the road. Mainly because you wont have a hope of turning on chipseal. The wheels will point elsewhere but the car will just keep going.

Worse yet is when it rains and you have cruise control on a we chipseal. Cruise will want to keep going if you start skidding it’ll accelerate.

gooterz 10:19 pm 15 Jan 14

JC said :

gazket said :

I think there is a safety issue as well with chip seal. ABS brakes don’t work to well on gravel especially when it’s loose.

Whilst there may well be a lots of loose stones, the bulk of the stones are not loose.

In some ways chip seal is more safer, grip in wet whether for one, and visibility in wet whether at night. End of the day every solution has pluses and minuses. Now you don’t see cars skidding off the road every day, despite over 80% of ACT (and probably the whole countries) roads being done with chipseal do you?

Wait till it starts raining more in winter and you’ll see the surface lift right off.

Someone should take pictures of pitman street before they do it. Its a complete joke.

JC 9:45 pm 15 Jan 14

gazket said :

I think there is a safety issue as well with chip seal. ABS brakes don’t work to well on gravel especially when it’s loose.

Whilst there may well be a lots of loose stones, the bulk of the stones are not loose.

In some ways chip seal is more safer, grip in wet whether for one, and visibility in wet whether at night. End of the day every solution has pluses and minuses. Now you don’t see cars skidding off the road every day, despite over 80% of ACT (and probably the whole countries) roads being done with chipseal do you?

Queen_of_the_Bun 9:24 pm 15 Jan 14

gazket said :

I think there is a safety issue as well with chip seal. ABS brakes don’t work to well on gravel especially when it’s loose.

So hopefully no kids run out or ride in front of car unexpectedly on a new chip sealed road because the car won’t stop no matter how hard you push the brake pedal.

How fast are you driving? If you can’t stop your car, you should not be on the road, chip sealed or bitumen.

Pork Hunt 8:33 pm 15 Jan 14

gazket said :

I think there is a safety issue as well with chip seal. ABS brakes don’t work to well on gravel especially when it’s loose.

So hopefully no kids run out or ride in front of car unexpectedly on a new chip sealed road because the car won’t stop no matter how hard you push the brake pedal.

Have you never heard of a concept called “the coefficient of friction”? Even if the tyres and the road itself were made of Teflon (friction properties similar to wet ice on wet ice) the car would eventually come to a halt.

Madam Cholet 7:52 pm 15 Jan 14

Just as an aside on roads, did anyone notice the frightful noise of melting tarmac under car wheels today? Took a while to work out that it was not a problem with my or anyone else’s car.

JC 5:22 pm 15 Jan 14

Jere13 said :

I thought it was just water from a truck or something, but on closer inspection it’s all the tar and once again the stones are flying. I’m sorry JC, but for all the ‘economical’ arguments for spray seal, the fact is it looks crap, it damages cars, it’s dangerous for cyclists/kids on scooters and skateboards and it’s rough and noisy.

PS I keep going back to this analogy. You have a timber deck, it is now time for maintenance. Do you replace all the timber with new, which will no doubt give a better result, or do you repair parts that need repairing and repaint? The answer is it depends upon how much rot there is, but I am willing to be that if the rot was minimal everyone here would repair and repaint, rather than replace. In fact did this just recently with my own deck.

So if the underlying road surface is still fine and the only problem is small patches need repair and the rest can be resealed why would you replace it?

JC 5:18 pm 15 Jan 14

Jere13 said :

I thought it was just water from a truck or something, but on closer inspection it’s all the tar and once again the stones are flying. I’m sorry JC, but for all the ‘economical’ arguments for spray seal, the fact is it looks crap, it damages cars, it’s dangerous for cyclists/kids on scooters and skateboards and it’s rough and noisy.

It is not going to the lowest cost per se, it is going to the most economical way to repair a road that still has a perfectly good base but needs maintenance. It has downsides, though as I keep mentioning there are plenty of well done chipsealed roads in the ACT, many I reckon people wouldn’t even realise. Two that come to mind that I have driven on in recent days is Kingsford Smith Drive through Spence and today in Turner on Watson Street. The only way with both you could even tell they were chip is a splattering of small rocks in the gutter and in the case of Watson street comparing to the non resealed carparks on the side. Of course both sections were resealed a while back now, certainly not recent.

So don’t buy the argument all seal is bad, though again will freely admit that how they are doing it piecemeal now, take for example the bit done on William Hovell to Parkes Way where there are squares of it all over the place is not good. Likewise they seem to be using a larger rock even in suburban streets, which likewise is not good.

gazket 4:27 pm 15 Jan 14

I think there is a safety issue as well with chip seal. ABS brakes don’t work to well on gravel especially when it’s loose.

So hopefully no kids run out or ride in front of car unexpectedly on a new chip sealed road because the car won’t stop no matter how hard you push the brake pedal.

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