Zeddites triumph over Pogos, for now

dungfungus said :

“Personally, I despise the man. I wouldn’t piss in his ear if his brain was on fire.”

This would have to be the most crass comment ever posted on this blog.

Aw, gee, shucks. I really don’t deserve this award.

Roundhead89 said :

Hold the phone! John Moulis has posted a video to YouTube giving his views on the election and the Senate race:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7rpcDzBG1s&feature=youtu.be

Not surprisingly John says that the Libs should stop squabbling and unite behind Zed to defeat The Greens. John also promises (threatens?) more videos in the leadup to the election similar to the ones he posted prior to last year’s ACT election.

Haha… John, are you aware that everybody know that it’s you posting under the name Roundhead89?

Girt_Hindrance said :

I heard that Zed once road a bicycle across a pedestrian crossing.

This means he is from the “hard right” then?

Hold the phone! John Moulis has posted a video to YouTube giving his views on the election and the Senate race:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7rpcDzBG1s&feature=youtu.be

Not surprisingly John says that the Libs should stop squabbling and unite behind Zed to defeat The Greens. John also promises (threatens?) more videos in the leadup to the election similar to the ones he posted prior to last year’s ACT election.

I heard that Zed once road a bicycle across a pedestrian crossing.

TwainAndHume said :

Zed “the ends justify the means” Seselja … don’t think this move reflects well on either him personally OR on the local Liberal party as a whole.

Your not LSWCHP’s brother-in-law by any chance?

Zed “the ends justify the means” Seselja … don’t think this move reflects well on either him personally OR on the local Liberal party as a whole.

dungfungus said :

“Personally, I despise the man. I wouldn’t piss in his ear if his brain was on fire.”

This would have to be the most crass comment ever posted on this blog.

Hmmm, you haven’t been visiting this site for very long then? Hahahaha!

LegalNut said :

dungfungus said :

I find it difficult to give young people any credit these days but they are the ones that will decide the election and the majority will identify with Zed more than the beard.

With the bigger issue being that most young people (1) don’t vote Liberal and (2) are even less likely to vote for a member of the hard right like Zed. The Young Liberals are vocal (particularly within the party) but they are a very, very small proportion of all youth and an unrepresentative group at that. They’ve made a mistake if their goal is to ensure a Liberal wins an ACT Senate seat. Chances are that the Liberals will keep the seat but they have just made it a whole lot harder for themselves.

The Young Liberals are not the ones standing for election. I was alluding to young voters generally and they would identify with Zed easier than they would with Humphries. I don’t know where you get the idea Zed is a member of “the hard right” – please explain this.
BTW, the person in the Canberra Liberals who is doing all the stirring was not long ago a big stirrer in the Young Liberals.

“Personally, I despise the man. I wouldn’t piss in his ear if his brain was on fire.”

This would have to be the most crass comment ever posted on this blog.

LSWCHP said :

Deref said :

Pork Hunt said :

johnboy said :

The old folks wanting to take back control from the youth sounds like a recipe for long term disaster.

Mind you letting young liberals run things sounds like short term disaster!

But only until they get older…

Then it becomes a long-term disaster.

There’s been a notion floating around for some time that Z is a young-Earth creationist. Does anyone know whether that’s true or not?

If you want to start a rumour, the conventional intro is “It has been reported that…”

ie “It has been reported that Zed is a….”

Personally, I despise the man. I wouldn’t piss in his ear if his brain was on fire.

Thanks. I’ll remember that, though I didn’t start this particular one. 😉

dungfungus said :

I find it difficult to give young people any credit these days but they are the ones that will decide the election and the majority will identify with Zed more than the beard.

With the bigger issue being that most young people (1) don’t vote Liberal and (2) are even less likely to vote for a member of the hard right like Zed. The Young Liberals are vocal (particularly within the party) but they are a very, very small proportion of all youth and an unrepresentative group at that. They’ve made a mistake if their goal is to ensure a Liberal wins an ACT Senate seat. Chances are that the Liberals will keep the seat but they have just made it a whole lot harder for themselves.

Deref said :

Pork Hunt said :

johnboy said :

The old folks wanting to take back control from the youth sounds like a recipe for long term disaster.

Mind you letting young liberals run things sounds like short term disaster!

But only until they get older…

Then it becomes a long-term disaster.

There’s been a notion floating around for some time that Z is a young-Earth creationist. Does anyone know whether that’s true or not?

If you want to start a rumour, the conventional intro is “It has been reported that…”

ie “It has been reported that Zed is a….”

Personally, I despise the man. I wouldn’t piss in his ear if his brain was on fire.

Masquara said :

dungfungus said :

Anyone with a grey beard isn’t going to appeal to young voters these days. Humphries is yesterday’s man politically speaking – experience means nothing anymore.

I think you aren’t giving young people enough credit here. Zed is in fact much more of an old fogey than Humphries, and I’m sure the young voters will see that it’s better for the ACT to have a Liberal on the frontbench (even in a minor parl sec role) than a youngish politician whose only attribute appears to be overweening ambition. This decision is a disaster for the ACT.

I find it difficult to give young people any credit these days but they are the ones that will decide the election and the majority will identify with Zed more than the beard.

drfelonious said :

So is Gary No.2 on the ticket?

If so, it seems to me it is not beyond the realms of possibility he could still retain his seat.

I, for one, could vote for Gary but not for Zed.

This outcome would require majority voters to vote below the line and therefore fill out around 80% of the whole ballot – as someone who always votes below the line I advocate it but not everyone is so retentive.

Holditz said :

Surprised this didn’t get a run on Insiders this morning. They like to chat and chat when Labor bend the preselection rules, nothing about when it happens in Canberra (although to be fair, the CL party didn’t bend the rules, they stuck to them iron rigidly.)

The ABC Onesiders is still obsessed with the Abbott Abbott Abbott.

Surprised this didn’t get a run on Insiders this morning. They like to chat and chat when Labor bend the preselection rules, nothing about when it happens in Canberra (although to be fair, the CL party didn’t bend the rules, they stuck to them iron rigidly.)

dungfungus said :

Anyone with a grey beard isn’t going to appeal to young voters these days. Humphries is yesterday’s man politically speaking – experience means nothing anymore.

I think you aren’t giving young people enough credit here. Zed is in fact much more of an old fogey than Humphries, and I’m sure the young voters will see that it’s better for the ACT to have a Liberal on the frontbench (even in a minor parl sec role) than a youngish politician whose only attribute appears to be overweening ambition. This decision is a disaster for the ACT.

bigred said :

The way things are tracking at present, Kate Lundy should be thinking very hard about looking after her constituency. I think the closeness of the three way contest could surprise a few people.

Kate will be fine. She’ll just trundle out the same old union story that the Liberals will hack into the PS, herd women and children into fields and shoot them, burn down the National Library, High Court & National Gallery, and close all public schools and hospitals – and once again the same stupid, gormless people of Canberra will fall for it all again.

Of course, by September we will have forgetten all about the impact Labor’s PS cuts and fiscal mismangement have had on Canberra……..

Basically we’re screwed either way! 🙂

I like what John Howard said about Canberra: “Looks like Kirribilli, votes like Cessnock”.

The way things are tracking at present, Kate Lundy should be thinking very hard about looking after her constituency. I think the closeness of the three way contest could surprise a few people.

Elizabeth Lee on the Fraser ticket!

Poor Guilia ran the constant campaign of both local and federal elections enough times that it finally paid off with sufficient sympathy votes, so it’s good to see Lee has been passed the rewarding mantel of long term disappointment.

The torch of election stoogery has been passed on. Riveting times.

Who is this Zed character anyway? Haven’t really ever noticed him.

So is Gary No.2 on the ticket?

If so, it seems to me it is not beyond the realms of possibility he could still retain his seat.

I, for one, could vote for Gary but not for Zed.

Pork Hunt said :

johnboy said :

The old folks wanting to take back control from the youth sounds like a recipe for long term disaster.

Mind you letting young liberals run things sounds like short term disaster!

But only until they get older…

Then it becomes a long-term disaster.

There’s been a notion floating around for some time that Z is a young-Earth creationist. Does anyone know whether that’s true or not?

Kim F said :

Has Zed ever had a job outside of politics?

He worked in a government department’s legal unit.

johnboy said :

The old folks wanting to take back control from the youth sounds like a recipe for long term disaster.

Mind you letting young liberals run things sounds like short term disaster!

You have nailed it right here. Anyone with a grey beard isn’t going to appeal to young voters these days. Humphries is yesterday’s man politically speaking – experience means nothing anymore.
The Greens have just realised that they made a big mistake replacing the fossilised Bob Brown with someone who emulates a retired school mistress when they should heve installed the young and cool Sarah H-Y who will appeal to the young voters.
Why do you think The Greens are runnning Simon Sheikh in the ACT?
Zed will pull a lot of the young voters which Humphries would have no chance of if he was preselected.
The Blue Rinse Liberals that still support Humphries were Young Liberals once too.

LegalNut said :

The Liberals clearly haven’t thought this through. Zed had solid appeal in the ACT election because he is somewhat credible on local issues. On the federal stage, he is going to prove to be a big mistake.

Gary, as a moderate Liberal, had good cross-appeal into the Labor voter pool. Zed does not have the same broad appeal to centrist Labor voters. I expect to see a swing against the Liberals if Zed remains the candidate.

The key though (and what will have Simon Sheikh smiling) is that Liberal leakage into the Labor ticket is as bad as leakage to the Greens as each additional vote for Labor above their quota means that there is more excess that distributes to the Greens as well as the Liberals as the votes of those who would ordinarily choose Labor will also be distributed.

I’m not going as far as predicting that Zed won’t win the seat for the Liberals but they make it a whole lot harder for themselves picking a candidate that lacks gravitas with the federal party and appeal to centrist Canberra voters.

Sounds about right to me, even if some of the subtleties are a bit challenging at this time on a Saturday night.

I understand Tom Sefton was chosen for Canberra. Fear and loathing of Abbott will no doubt see Gai Brodtmann returned, but if his performance in the ACT poll is anything to go by, Tom could give it a surprisingly good shake.

Aeek said :

Masquara said :

Zed & Julia – peas in a pod.

Is that Julia G, or Julia with a G ?

Julia wearing a g?

Today the young liberals traded their guaranteed front bench senator for a first term back bencher. Great call, Zed keeps saying he has a lot to offer. What exactly does he have to offer? He is good at employing family and friends and ambushing people but other than that Im not sure what he has to offer.

My guess is liberals snate vote will be lower with Zed than it would have been with Gary, I know I would have voted for Zed but I won’t vote for Zed. He is too far to the right for most

those signs really convey their half-hearted rage.

If the Libs overturn this and Zed doesn’t gain pre-selection, so he remains a member of Leg assembly, will he seek to regain leadership?

Masquara said :

Zed & Julia – peas in a pod.

Is that Julia G, or Julia with a G ?

I hope, if there are no avenues given for an appeal and a chance to conduct a fair and complete vote of the membership, that Zed DOES lose. That there is no liberal senate seat in canberra next period.

I get annoyed when I now hear hardline liberals (aka oldies) are now saying to get behind Zed. Are you kidding me? Complain about the way this all went down (which is calculated deception), and then reward/condone the behaviour by voting him in anyway?

Yeah, ok, have THAT guy (and the people behind him who made it happen) representing you in the senate. Yeah, good idea.

Condone the shady process (and make that the new benchmark for preselection process) and vote him in, or don’t vote for him and stand up for the fair vote you wanted.

Gary, this is what happens when you become too comfortable and a little bit lazy – the young guns will shaft you as soon as they see a chance.

Apart from listening to the ‘all-knowing’ Sky Fairy and Catherine Carter – what does Zed actually stand for, and how will he make a difference being one of the ACT’s representatives in the Senate?

Either way, I know that I – as a Canberran – will have an ineffectual no one sucking off the public teat while purporting to represent me in the Senate.

johnboy said :

The old folks wanting to take back control from the youth sounds like a recipe for long term disaster.

Mind you letting young liberals run things sounds like short term disaster!

But only until they get older…

The old folks wanting to take back control from the youth sounds like a recipe for long term disaster.

Mind you letting young liberals run things sounds like short term disaster!

Zed & Julia – peas in a pod.

DrKoresh said :

LegalNut said :

The Liberals clearly haven’t thought this through. Zed had solid appeal in the ACT election because he is somewhat credible on local issues. On the federal stage, he is going to prove to be a big mistake.

Gary, as a moderate Liberal, had good cross-appeal into the Labor voter pool. Zed does not have the same broad appeal to centrist Labor voters. I expect to see a swing against the Liberals if Zed remains the candidate.

The key though (and what will have Simon Sheikh smiling) is that Liberal leakage into the Labor ticket is as bad as leakage to the Greens as each additional vote for Labor above their quota means that there is more excess that distributes to the Greens as well as the Liberals as the votes of those who would ordinarily choose Labor will also be distributed.

I’m not going as far as predicting that Zed won’t win the seat for the Liberals but they make it a whole lot harder for themselves picking a candidate that lacks gravitas with the federal party and appeal to centrist Canberra voters.

I would love it if the Libs lost this seat, if only for the fact that maybe they’ll see that not everyone wants to ride this new wave of ‘big-C’ Conservatism. I was raised in a Labor household, but I’ve been trying to put aside my ingrained prejudices of the Right, but social conservatism is something I can’t abide by. And also to see Zed fall flat on his face, I must admit I’d love to see that.

100% the same view from me, except I grew up in a liberal family and rejected it as soon as I was old enough to know.

I’m not going to be as well spoken or diplomatic as you are, dr koresh, I’m just going to say any body who votes for a zed ever is: a grade A mong or a developer or a grade A mong who is a brainwashed god botherer or a grade A mong who is some sort of LIBERAL 4 LYFE GREENS AND LABOUR = TRIPLE RATES!

aussielyn said :

Zed chops off Gazza’s head.
Six months left to sharpen blade for the head of Simon Sheikh.
Get the young libs to start dirt file on Getup.
Practice with watermelons, spit word bullets.
Vlad the Impaler was a lightweight, Z is a Tuggeranong hero.

Are you drunk or on drugs?

LegalNut said :

The Liberals clearly haven’t thought this through. Zed had solid appeal in the ACT election because he is somewhat credible on local issues. On the federal stage, he is going to prove to be a big mistake.

Gary, as a moderate Liberal, had good cross-appeal into the Labor voter pool. Zed does not have the same broad appeal to centrist Labor voters. I expect to see a swing against the Liberals if Zed remains the candidate.

The key though (and what will have Simon Sheikh smiling) is that Liberal leakage into the Labor ticket is as bad as leakage to the Greens as each additional vote for Labor above their quota means that there is more excess that distributes to the Greens as well as the Liberals as the votes of those who would ordinarily choose Labor will also be distributed.

I’m not going as far as predicting that Zed won’t win the seat for the Liberals but they make it a whole lot harder for themselves picking a candidate that lacks gravitas with the federal party and appeal to centrist Canberra voters.

I would love it if the Libs lost this seat, if only for the fact that maybe they’ll see that not everyone wants to ride this new wave of ‘big-C’ Conservatism. I was raised in a Labor household, but I’ve been trying to put aside my ingrained prejudices of the Right, but social conservatism is something I can’t abide by. And also to see Zed fall flat on his face, I must admit I’d love to see that.

Zed chops off Gazza’s head.
Six months left to sharpen blade for the head of Simon Sheikh.
Get the young libs to start dirt file on Getup.
Practice with watermelons, spit word bullets.
Vlad the Impaler was a lightweight, Z is a Tuggeranong hero.

The Liberals clearly haven’t thought this through. Zed had solid appeal in the ACT election because he is somewhat credible on local issues. On the federal stage, he is going to prove to be a big mistake.

Gary, as a moderate Liberal, had good cross-appeal into the Labor voter pool. Zed does not have the same broad appeal to centrist Labor voters. I expect to see a swing against the Liberals if Zed remains the candidate.

The key though (and what will have Simon Sheikh smiling) is that Liberal leakage into the Labor ticket is as bad as leakage to the Greens as each additional vote for Labor above their quota means that there is more excess that distributes to the Greens as well as the Liberals as the votes of those who would ordinarily choose Labor will also be distributed.

I’m not going as far as predicting that Zed won’t win the seat for the Liberals but they make it a whole lot harder for themselves picking a candidate that lacks gravitas with the federal party and appeal to centrist Canberra voters.

Has Zed ever had a job outside of politics?

I would have gone for “Dawn of the Zed” for the title.

This in from a prominent Liberal who did not wish to be named:

Today, Zed said Gary brought the party into disrepute going the the media. I say what about branch stacking, bullying members, limiting communication with the membership and dragging the Party through the media with the Teo Faulkner time sheet debacle. Such a small game.
Zed is a self interested lightweight who has never won an election, or held a portfolio, believing his own rhetoric.
Sadly the community looses this should be the true focus of politics.