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Cycling dollars flow

By johnboy - 8 November 2011 71

simon corbell

Simon Corbell has announced a $9 million spend on cycling and walking infrastructure:

    — The City cycle loop;
    — Kings Avenue on-road cycle lane and off-road cycle path improvements;
    — accessibility improvements to walking infrastructure in the main town centres (Woden, Tuggeranong, Belconnen and Gungahlin) benefitting visually and mobility impaired people; and
    — interim off-road footpath improvements at Kingston Foreshore;
    — further examination of converting sections of Bunda Street in the City and Hibberson Street in Gungahlin to “shared spaces? of pedestrians, cyclists and drivers;
    — construction of a missing link between the shared paths along Tuggeranong Parkway and Melrose Drive near Chifley and,
    — the provision of cycling facilities along both sides of Yamba Drive between Yarra Glen and The Canberra Hospital.

More information is available from the TAMS Walking and Cycling Trunk Infrastructure Report

[Photo courtesy Simon Corbell’s office]

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Cycling dollars flow
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krats 10:12 am
09 Nov 11
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p1 said :

You know what s**** me? Horse riders. They don’t pay rego but can ride along in places which would see me charged if I did it on my unregistered trail bike!

Almost All Adult Horse Riders Own A Registered Vehicle-They Don’t Ride Their Horse From Their Front Yard To The Paddock Where Their Horse Is Kept Do They!!

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shadow boxer 10:18 am
09 Nov 11
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krats said :

p1 said :

You know what s**** me? Horse riders. They don’t pay rego but can ride along in places which would see me charged if I did it on my unregistered trail bike!

Almost All Adult Horse Riders Own A Registered Vehicle-They Don’t Ride Their Horse From Their Front Yard To The Paddock Where Their Horse Is Kept Do They!!

I might have to get a premium subscription just to block that excessive capitalisation, how do you do that ?

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p1 10:27 am
09 Nov 11
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krats said :

Almost All Adult Horse Riders Own A Registered Vehicle-They Don’t Ride Their Horse From Their Front Yard To The Paddock Where Their Horse Is Kept Do They!!

Are you actually pressing the [shift] key for each of those capitals, or are you using a program that puts everything you type in title case?

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Holden Caulfield 10:27 am
09 Nov 11
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thatsnotme said :

Don’t get me started on the shared zone between the National Library and Questacon either…it literally extends for the length of the pedestrian crossing across the road. So what’s the point?!

Maybe I missed this and I’m sure RA will correct my ways, but what exactly does “Shared zone” mean? Who has right of way?

If it is pedestrians well it’s not a shared zone is it, haha. It should be called a pedestrian zone so it is more clear who has to give way to who.

johnboy said :

And almost all adult cyclists own a registered vehicle.

Personally, I don’t have an issue with cyclists not paying registration for a number of reasons.

However, the simple rebut to the claim cyclists own a car too so they’re already paying rego, is that if I want to own more than one car I have to pay more than one annual registration fee.

If one is going to take that defence it seems a bit ‘all road users are equal but some are more equal than others’ to me.

I reckon a better defence for cyclists in that specific instance would be to simply tell the other person to HTFU! There’s countless services our taxes pay for that individuals won’t always agree with, be an adult and deal with it.

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KB1971 10:43 am
09 Nov 11
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Holden Caulfield said :

johnboy said :

And almost all adult cyclists own a registered vehicle.

Personally, I don’t have an issue with cyclists not paying registration for a number of reasons.

However, the simple rebut to the claim cyclists own a car too so they’re already paying rego, is that if I want to own more than one car I have to pay more than one annual registration fee.

If one is going to take that defence it seems a bit ‘all road users are equal but some are more equal than others’ to me.

On the same token though, those that say “I pay rego, you dont, get off my roads” have the opinion? No?

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cranky 10:52 am
09 Nov 11
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A question for the tribal mind.

If a cyclist cleans up a pedestrian at a crossing, can the pedestrian claim on some third party insurance to cover their medical bills, damages, etc?

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Grail 10:53 am
09 Nov 11
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Keijidosha said :

By my maths, vehicle owners in the ACT contribute somewhere around $100 million in registration fees (excluding CTP) and another $270 million in fuel excise, per annum.

I pay an order of magnitude more in taxes each year in taxes than I spend on petrol, registration and car insurance. So if volume of spending is what entitles us to infrastructure, perhaps poor people shouldn’t be allowed to use rich people’s roads? By your math, should owners of small cars not be allowed to use big cars’ roads? What about motorbikes?

From the $400M collected from vehicle owners, subtract the cost of running the motor registry. Now compare that to the $600M budget for roads. Where’s the money coming from to maintain our roads? That’s right, it’s coming from the rich bastards driving company cars, not the poor bastards who own their own vehicles.

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Holden Caulfield 11:02 am
09 Nov 11
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cranky said :

A question for the tribal mind.

If a cyclist cleans up a pedestrian at a crossing, can the pedestrian claim on some third party insurance to cover their medical bills, damages, etc?

This partly why I think having some sort of visible ID for cyclists should at least be debated. I admit that such incidents where cyclists are at fault is likely to be low, but it could happen, either as you’ve described, or through damage to other road users’ vehciles in regular traffic, accidental or otherwise.

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Holden Caulfield 11:05 am
09 Nov 11
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KB1971 said :

On the same token though, those that say “I pay rego, you dont, get off my roads” have the opinion? No?

Yes, indeed, which comes back to my point about those doing the whinging being adult about the situation and acknowledging they’re crying over spilt milk.

Chances are pretty damn high that almost all cyclists are going to be paying taxes somewhere along the line. So, let’s live and let live.

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johnboy 11:08 am
09 Nov 11
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And drivers should remember that every cyclist has made more room on the road for their car.

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Solidarity 11:08 am
09 Nov 11
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krats said :

p1 said :

You know what s**** me? Horse riders. They don’t pay rego but can ride along in places which would see me charged if I did it on my unregistered trail bike!

Almost All Adult Horse Riders Own A Registered Vehicle-They Don’t Ride Their Horse From Their Front Yard To The Paddock Where Their Horse Is Kept Do They!!

I do,

I own a horse and don’t have a car, it’s great.

Don’t pay parking, don’t pay any tax, great for picking up chicks and if you try and cap my horse he’ll kick you in the face.

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dtc 11:47 am
09 Nov 11
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cranky said :

A question for the tribal mind.

If a cyclist cleans up a pedestrian at a crossing, can the pedestrian claim on some third party insurance to cover their medical bills, damages, etc?

No.

Car CTP exists because you take it out when you register every year (and cough up a bit for the nominal defendant to cover unregistered drivers). There is no such scheme for bicycles.

However, cyclist can take out specific insurance or possible have a home policy that extends cover to this situation. Being a member of Pedal Power provides insurance coverage.

Lack of insurance doesnt stop you suing the bike rider, of course. It just means you have to recover the money from the person rather than the insurance company – if the cyclist is one of those annoying middle aged men in lycra pretending to be cool, they may own a house or an Audi.

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alaninoz 11:51 am
09 Nov 11
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Holden Caulfield said :

There’s countless services our taxes pay for that individuals won’t always agree with, be an adult and deal with it.

I agree with much of what you say regarding cycling, but that last statement goes a bit far. Are you implying that the government always spends our money better than we would? Or perhaps that no matter what the government spends our money on we should just suck it up? I would argue that the answer in either case is – like hell!

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JonahBologna 12:06 pm
09 Nov 11
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I noticed that NRMA is the only group with representatives for motorists…and they didn’t make any formal comments on these changes. Pedal Power has made formal comments about all of these changes.

If you are a motorist, and you want your opinion to be heard, you are going to have to do something about it.

P.S. I don’t have a car and I think all of these changes are GREAT!

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KB1971 12:09 pm
09 Nov 11
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cranky said :

A question for the tribal mind.

If a cyclist cleans up a pedestrian at a crossing, can the pedestrian claim on some third party insurance to cover their medical bills, damages, etc?

Yes.

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