How many road deaths?

Possum 2 February 2009 38

Has anyone else noticed the blunder made by His Maj. the honorable Stan Hopeless?

Last week he was interviewed on ABC television and stated categorically that the reason for requiring tighter speeding laws was that apparently there were more than “200 deaths on ACT roads, and that these people would still be alive today…” etc etc.

But last weekend the ABC reported that in each of the states, and in particular the ACT, the number of deaths on the roads was at a record low of less than 20 (I think he said 19 deaths.)

Can anyone explain the discrepancy in these numbers? Who is correct? Who is “more correct”? Who is fudging the stats? And WHY?

It wouldn’t be for fund-raising would it?

[ED – Anyone want to suggest better ways to raise the funds?]

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Deckard Deckard 8:52 pm 03 Feb 09

caf said :

Bollocks. I said nothing of the sort.

I am just sick of the continual po mo bleating that emerges whenever someone gets done. Man up, pay the fine and slow down next time.

Sorry Caf. I didn’t mean to put words in your mouth.

I agree that if you get caught speeding you’ve got no one to blame but yourself. All I wanted to point out was that there are plenty of other reasons people die on the road besides speeding.

Also, I think anyone who checks out the driving habits in India on you tube, or in real life, then Canberra drivers will all look like saints.

astrojax astrojax 7:19 pm 03 Feb 09

ban cars. and people. and otters.

JC JC 6:43 pm 03 Feb 09

tylersmayhem said :

I don’t know if there will every really be an answer to all of this due to the fact the the ACT have more moronic drivers per capita than anywhere else in the world!

Go drive in the UK then re-think that statement!

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 1:51 pm 03 Feb 09

I don’t know if there will every really be an answer to all of this due to the fact the the ACT have more moronic drivers per capita than anywhere else in the world!

Thumper Thumper 12:26 pm 03 Feb 09

Reprobate is most probably correct.

deye deye 12:01 pm 03 Feb 09

p1 said :

I still have only one speeding fine from 14 years driving. If I can have that with my poor driving skills and lead foot, none of the rest of you have anything to complain about.

That said, I think that the Cameras on perfectly straight bits of good road would be better reallocated to school zones, inner city Northbourne Ave, or as red light cameras.

In 19 years I have been booked once. I was young, stupid and driving when extremely fatigued.

I also have a lead foot, but I drive to the conditions of the road, weather and traffic.

I used to be quite pleased when I moved here that the speed and redlight cameras were done in a sensible manner where accidents happened and to prevent dangerous behaviour like running red lights at high speed. I liked living somewhere where commonsense was applied in this respect.

It annoys me greatly that this has changed and Big Brother is creeping in further and further.

caf caf 11:57 am 03 Feb 09

A concerted mental health / depression push would also be likely to improve things.

Mr Evil Mr Evil 11:30 am 03 Feb 09

Remove all large trees from within 50m of all road bends in the ACT: this will stop all the meatheads who do 100km/h over the speed limit at 2am from killing themselves when they lose control and plough off the road.

Reprobate Reprobate 11:21 am 03 Feb 09

In a few months time, expect to see one of these two statements in a media release/ news grab near you…

Scenario 1- ” The Government is pleased that the increased commitment to monitoring excessive speed through road safety cameras has reduced the number of fatal accidents in the ACT. As a result, further cameras will be introduced to more areas to promote safe driving at all times”.

Scenario 2 – “The Government is disappointed that the number of fatal accidents in the ACT has increased/remains too high despite an increased commitment to monitoring excessive speed through road safety cameras. As a result, further cameras will be introduced to more areas to promote safe driving at all times”.

Sigh…

p1 p1 9:48 am 03 Feb 09

I still have only one speeding fine from 14 years driving. If I can have that with my poor driving skills and lead foot, none of the rest of you have anything to complain about.

That said, I think that the Cameras on perfectly straight bits of good road would be better reallocated to school zones, inner city Northbourne Ave, or as red light cameras.

As for deaths, I would be interested in a statistic on how many ACT residents die in motor vehicle accidents each year. When you consider the Kms done outside of the ACT by Canberristanis each year, it might be interesting.

caf caf 9:39 am 03 Feb 09

But the way that Caf put it was that doing the speed limit would fix it.

Bollocks. I said nothing of the sort.

I am just sick of the continual po mo bleating that emerges whenever someone gets done. Man up, pay the fine and slow down next time.

JC JC 7:36 am 03 Feb 09

deye said :

Felix the Cat said :

I believe the ACT Govt is aiming for single digit number of road deaths for 2009 and beyond.

in 2004 there were 9 deaths, before jumping to 26 in 2005.

The problem with the ACT is we have such a relativly small population that figures really mean nothing. I mean to say lets say we (heaven forbid) have a bas accident like Kempsie a few years back, all of a sudden out toll would jump from 9, 14, or what ever to maybe over 40 in a single year.

More realisticly though our toll does go up and down and it isn’t due to any better or worse driving or road conditions, just the luck of the draw at the time of the accident.

shauno shauno 7:20 am 03 Feb 09

I would be ok with speed cameras in city limits if the Govt took no money from them. Only license points that way there can be no argument that they are being used for revenue raising. I would like to see the ACT govt take the lead here and once and for all get rid of the bullshit that is constantly being spun here. Its so blatantly obvious that most of these cameras are for revenue raising just by there location. And the govt is collectively lowering the IQ of every one in ACT who believes thier propaganda about safety.

Instant Mash Instant Mash 11:33 pm 02 Feb 09

Why don’t we just get someone to actually keep track of these things. Someone with more than 50 IQ points…

deye deye 10:05 pm 02 Feb 09

Felix the Cat said :

I believe the ACT Govt is aiming for single digit number of road deaths for 2009 and beyond.

in 2004 there were 9 deaths, before jumping to 26 in 2005.

cranky cranky 9:41 pm 02 Feb 09

There are many causes of road accidents, as we all know. Most have been listed in the various threads on the subject on this site. One I am sure is unrecognised is the increasing thickness of ‘A’ pillars (the metal holding the windscreen in) to increase occupant safety in case of rollover. Unfortunately, this body of metal can ‘hide’ another vehicle approaching, particularly from the left at a low angle.

As a ‘bush’ road safety enthusiast, I am fairly sure this was the cause of two accidents recently at an intersection on Long Gully Road.

Do the Police accident investigation team study these accidents, and come to conclusions regarding probable causes? Are their findings published to add to the general knowledge?

Does a disconnect exist between those tasked with studying the results and probable causes of accidents, and our strident politicians claiming the majority of accidents are speed related?

Deckard Deckard 9:29 pm 02 Feb 09

Felix the Cat said :

I believe the ACT Govt is aiming for single digit number of road deaths for 2009 and beyond.

Then they’ll have to do a lot more than simply put a few more speed cameras in.

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 9:26 pm 02 Feb 09

I believe the ACT Govt is aiming for single digit number of road deaths for 2009 and beyond.

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 9:25 pm 02 Feb 09

Woody – as Gomer pointed out in an earlier post the road deaths in NT went up after they introduced 130km/h speed limit instead of unlimited. People are bored to sleep while driving on long straight roads for hours at a time at ridiculously low speed limits.

Deckard Deckard 9:24 pm 02 Feb 09

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

It’ll solve some, at zero cost, which is a lot better than none at a massive cost. Why don’t you take your six-year old’s logic and f.ck off?

I won’t drop to your level with your 6 year old potty mouth on your 2nd point.

But, yes it will help at zero cost. But the way that Caf put it was that doing the speed limit would fix it.

The govt is lazy. Putting speed cameras in pointless spots. Wouldn’t they be put to better use where speeding has caused deaths? Don’t worry about unregistered cars, unlicensed drivers, drunk drivers, dangerous drivers. Which speed law is going to catch these?

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