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$50 load ups in ACT pokies will be allowed – if it’s recommended

By richiedt - 1 September 2015 29

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Yesterday during the #CBRCabinet event held via the Periscope app, Minister Joy Burch confirmed that $50 poker machine load ups will be allowed if the current committee reviewing ACT pokie legislation recommends it.

Despite promises that other measures will curtail problem gambling issues, I have absolutely no doubt that allowing $50 load ups will increase problem gambling issues in the ACT. What do you think?

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$50 load ups in ACT pokies will be allowed – if it’s recommended
chewy14 12:32 pm 03 Sep 15

Nilrem said :

chewy14 said :

Nilrem said :

Grimm said :

How about we just let people make their own decisions on what they spend their money on, and how much they spend? This poker machine over regulation is another case of pandering to the lowest common denominator and protecting idiots from themselves.

Yeah, how dare the gummint tell people what to do. Let’s abolish motor vehicle safety regulation, road rules, pharmaceutical approvals, gun controls, food standards, the police force and electrical regulation while we are at it!

What a pretty strawman.

No one is saying that we need no regulations and in fact this industry is already extremely heavily regulated.

What is being said is that ultimately people are responsible for their own lives and the consequences of their own decisions. There are multiple programs in place to help problem gamblers, if you’re not willing to avail yourself of them, who’s fault is it?

You can’t and shouldn’t try to rub out individual responsibility through legislation.

This is what the NRA says. The sad reality is that failures of individual responsibility sometimes have such serious adverse impacts on the individuals concerned AND their families (and in the case of guns, everybody else) that stronger regulation is required. I believe this to be the case with the brainless scam that is poker machines.

Gun control? Really, that’s your comparison?

Can’t remember the last time an individual took a poker machine and used it to go on a killing rampage.

neanderthalsis 12:04 pm 03 Sep 15

John Hargreaves said :

With $50 note breakers in the midst of the machines, the ban is ineffective.

With ACT Labor drawing significant funding from the spreading of human misery caused by pokies, the ban would never have lasted anyway.

Ghettosmurf87 12:01 pm 03 Sep 15

Solidarity said :

Every second bus has an ad on it for phone sports betting, if people want to gamble, they’ll gamble.

Now I could be wrong, but I thought I read somewhere quite a large percentage of people who gamble on pokies don’t gamble using any other format of gambling. I.ee they are pokies users, not gamblers in general. This is opposed to people who use other platforms, such as mobile betting apps, who were found to be likely to also use a number of other forms of gambling, such as the TAB, bookies & casino games & pokies as well.

I only raise this because it suggests that, were pokies to be banned, a large number of those players would not then take up another form of gambling.

For what it is worth, I quite enjoy playing pokies with my friends, as well as gambling in the TAB with a beer, taking a trip to the track or putting on a tennis multi on sportsbet on my phone, so I’m not advocating for the banning of any gambling.

Just food for thought.

Solidarity 11:35 am 03 Sep 15

Every second bus has an ad on it for phone sports betting, if people want to gamble, they’ll gamble.

Nilrem 9:34 am 03 Sep 15

chewy14 said :

Nilrem said :

Grimm said :

How about we just let people make their own decisions on what they spend their money on, and how much they spend? This poker machine over regulation is another case of pandering to the lowest common denominator and protecting idiots from themselves.

Yeah, how dare the gummint tell people what to do. Let’s abolish motor vehicle safety regulation, road rules, pharmaceutical approvals, gun controls, food standards, the police force and electrical regulation while we are at it!

What a pretty strawman.

No one is saying that we need no regulations and in fact this industry is already extremely heavily regulated.

What is being said is that ultimately people are responsible for their own lives and the consequences of their own decisions. There are multiple programs in place to help problem gamblers, if you’re not willing to avail yourself of them, who’s fault is it?

You can’t and shouldn’t try to rub out individual responsibility through legislation.

And to be frank, people who really want to gamble will find other ways to gamble. If we get rid of pokies there will be a benefit through breaking governments’ addiction to the revenue as well.

Grimm 9:33 am 03 Sep 15

chewy14 said :

Nilrem said :

Grimm said :

How about we just let people make their own decisions on what they spend their money on, and how much they spend? This poker machine over regulation is another case of pandering to the lowest common denominator and protecting idiots from themselves.

Yeah, how dare the gummint tell people what to do. Let’s abolish motor vehicle safety regulation, road rules, pharmaceutical approvals, gun controls, food standards, the police force and electrical regulation while we are at it!

What a pretty strawman.

No one is saying that we need no regulations and in fact this industry is already extremely heavily regulated.

What is being said is that ultimately people are responsible for their own lives and the consequences of their own decisions. There are multiple programs in place to help problem gamblers, if you’re not willing to avail yourself of them, who’s fault is it?

You can’t and shouldn’t try to rub out individual responsibility through legislation.

Something we definitely agree on.
Comparing issues of public safety to problem gambling was laughable at best, really.

Stupid legislation and regulation on these machines makes no difference. Can’t take more than $200 out of an ATM at a club? Amazing how many ATMs have appeared within 50m of a club these days, wouldn’t you say? Machine won’t take $50 notes? These people will put all their money through in 20s and 10s.

You can’t help people who constantly make stupid decisions and won’t help themselves, no matter how much pointless legislation you put in place.

Nilrem 9:32 am 03 Sep 15

chewy14 said :

Nilrem said :

Grimm said :

How about we just let people make their own decisions on what they spend their money on, and how much they spend? This poker machine over regulation is another case of pandering to the lowest common denominator and protecting idiots from themselves.

Yeah, how dare the gummint tell people what to do. Let’s abolish motor vehicle safety regulation, road rules, pharmaceutical approvals, gun controls, food standards, the police force and electrical regulation while we are at it!

What a pretty strawman.

No one is saying that we need no regulations and in fact this industry is already extremely heavily regulated.

What is being said is that ultimately people are responsible for their own lives and the consequences of their own decisions. There are multiple programs in place to help problem gamblers, if you’re not willing to avail yourself of them, who’s fault is it?

You can’t and shouldn’t try to rub out individual responsibility through legislation.

This is what the NRA says. The sad reality is that failures of individual responsibility sometimes have such serious adverse impacts on the individuals concerned AND their families (and in the case of guns, everybody else) that stronger regulation is required. I believe this to be the case with the brainless scam that is poker machines.

chewy14 8:30 am 03 Sep 15

Nilrem said :

Grimm said :

How about we just let people make their own decisions on what they spend their money on, and how much they spend? This poker machine over regulation is another case of pandering to the lowest common denominator and protecting idiots from themselves.

Yeah, how dare the gummint tell people what to do. Let’s abolish motor vehicle safety regulation, road rules, pharmaceutical approvals, gun controls, food standards, the police force and electrical regulation while we are at it!

What a pretty strawman.

No one is saying that we need no regulations and in fact this industry is already extremely heavily regulated.

What is being said is that ultimately people are responsible for their own lives and the consequences of their own decisions. There are multiple programs in place to help problem gamblers, if you’re not willing to avail yourself of them, who’s fault is it?

You can’t and shouldn’t try to rub out individual responsibility through legislation.

Grimm 12:21 pm 02 Sep 15

Nilrem said :

Grimm said :

How about we just let people make their own decisions on what they spend their money on, and how much they spend? This poker machine over regulation is another case of pandering to the lowest common denominator and protecting idiots from themselves.

Yeah, how dare the gummint tell people what to do. Let’s abolish motor vehicle safety regulation, road rules, pharmaceutical approvals, gun controls, food standards, the police force and electrical regulation while we are at it!

Yeah, because how much you can spend in a stupid machine is directly comparable with issues of public safety….

Nilrem 12:18 pm 02 Sep 15

Grimm said :

How about we just let people make their own decisions on what they spend their money on, and how much they spend? This poker machine over regulation is another case of pandering to the lowest common denominator and protecting idiots from themselves.

Unfortunately some of these idiots have families that deserve better than seeing the meagre family income go into club and Government coffers. And don’t get me started on how the politicians’ addiction to pokie revenue has corrupted local politics! Look how much “free” (public) money clubs are getting from their dodgy development approvals. It’s all bad.

Nilrem 12:08 pm 02 Sep 15

Grimm said :

How about we just let people make their own decisions on what they spend their money on, and how much they spend? This poker machine over regulation is another case of pandering to the lowest common denominator and protecting idiots from themselves.

Yeah, how dare the gummint tell people what to do. Let’s abolish motor vehicle safety regulation, road rules, pharmaceutical approvals, gun controls, food standards, the police force and electrical regulation while we are at it!

Grimm 11:02 am 02 Sep 15

How about we just let people make their own decisions on what they spend their money on, and how much they spend? This poker machine over regulation is another case of pandering to the lowest common denominator and protecting idiots from themselves.

mcs 10:52 am 02 Sep 15

Nilrem said :

When are we going to get rid of these awful, mindless things? They promote greed and human misery. Support the Polish Club in Turner. One of the few pokie-free clubs in Canberra!

Completely agree. They are a scourge on our society, and rip out a lot of money that could be far better spent – despite the usual dribble sprouted by the clubs about being ‘not for profit’ and ‘all for the community’, the damage they do to a small part of the community far outweighs any of these so called benefits.

Governments of all persuasions are addicted to the tax $$$, and recent policy changes have been poor -including this proposal for $50 notes into machines.

The worst change recently however was the removal of the fixed cap, replaced by one linked to population growth. Despite a small reduction to start with, it’ll only be a few years till we have more machines than we ever had before in our community, which will continue to increase year after year. We have 5000 of the leeches already – isn’t that surely enough for a town of 350K people?

There will end up being more and more large pokies dens like the Tradies and Labour Club, as the number of machines increases and the trading scheme allows the bigger clubs to swallow up the smaller clubs.

Nilrem 5:32 am 02 Sep 15

When are we going to get rid of these awful, mindless things? They promote greed and human misery. Support the Polish Club in Turner. One of the few pokie-free clubs in Canberra!

John Hargreaves 4:12 pm 01 Sep 15

With $50 note breakers in the midst of the machines, the ban is ineffective.

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