Parkes Way Widening?

gazket said :

“Not quite sure how you can blame the government for a subcontractor going bust”

I’m sure they went bust before the Parks Way project started . Old mate put a new hat and won the new contract, no one at the gov gerried onto it .

They went bust after starting but yes then they started again. However they were not contacted by the government, they were contracted by Woden Constructions. Surely the onus is on Woden, not the government. If the onus is on the government, then to what level of checking should be done? Should all subbies and suppliers be checked? If so how would you propose to do it, and at what cost? The sensible thing is due diligence on the prime contractor and if something goes wrong hold them to account.

gazket said :

“Not quite sure how you can blame the government for a subcontractor going bust”

I’m sure they went bust before the Parks Way project started . Old mate put a new hat and won the new contract, no one at the gov gerried onto it .

Never done a tender for act gov before, have you?

“Not quite sure how you can blame the government for a subcontractor going bust”

I’m sure they went bust before the Parks Way project started . Old mate put a new hat and won the new contract, no one at the gov gerried onto it .

Antagonist said :

gooterz said :

KB1971 said :

JC said :

slashdot said :

Because they are ultimately responsible for the roads. They do a terrible job contract managing, and we get stuck with sub-par roads that cost a fortune and then must be immediately upgraded *cough* GDE *cough*

Thats why the government is responsible. Sadly no-one gets sacked for doing a shit job in the public service

The GDE was poor planning for sure, not helped of course by the Howard Government and save the ridge delaying and costing more.

But in this case what could they have done any differently? How are they meant to know that a sub contractor to a company they use all the time was going to go bust?

And that is only one project that I have seen that immediately needed an upgrade. All the others around town are doing just fine.

Road resurfacing, Athlon average speed camera, hospital waiting times magic bus way.

+1.

Want a specific example in KB1971’s back yard? Try the road resurfacing of Pitman St, Tuggeranong.

yeah that one, and also the bridge deck of the GDE that was laid on the barton highway.

gooterz said :

Road resurfacing, Athlon average speed camera, hospital waiting times magic bus way.

What about road resurfacing? Without getting into the normal shit fight yes chip seal is shit, but there are not endless rivers of money and it does the core job which is to extend the life of the road until it needs replacing.

Average speed cameras on Athlon, not sure who decided on that one, but they would have been better placed on the Tuggernaong Parkway.

But hospital waiting times, have you ever had to get anything done at Canberra hospital or do you just parrot the local Liberal Parties lines? Because tell you what in the past 14 months my mother has had two operations there, one was an emergency to remove bowel cancer and more recently elective surgery on her leg. The bowel cancer was first and they did a good job. They then booked her in to have reversal of colostomy 6 months later, but due to another medical issue, they quite rightly didn’t do it. Point being this was elective and was scheduled more or less as soon as it was medically right to do so. No excess wait at all.

The the leg problem, not life threatening and elective, refereed by GP, 1 month wait to see the surgeon, operation done 3 weeks later. Top job and top surgeon too.

Oh on top of that my wife had a baby at Canberra hospital, again couldn’t speak more highly of the system. Some may well complain because she was sent home the day after, but that was the right thing to do even though two days later it was found the bub had a feeding issue and had to go back in.

Top care all round. Guess the core issue is people really don’t understand what elective is about and opposition parties of all ilk use it as fodder to get themselves elected by shit canning the government of the day. The reality is of course different.

RadioVK said :

I’m sure that when they originally announced the project, TAMS said that only the Eastbound side would be three lanes all the way through, and the Westbound side would only be completed between the Sullivans Creek bridge and Glenloch interchange. The plan (I think) was to put in the infrastructure for the other bridge extension now, and complete it later.

I had a look on the TAMS website, but the information they have is a little vague. It also says this:

“Clunies Ross Bridge widening for the westbound carriageway is also complete and waiting for the placement of the wearing course, which will happen in Janurary 2014.”

Sounds like it’s as done as it’s going to get for the moment.

Part right, you are correct when originally announced it was east bound only with NO work being done on the west. That changed pretty quickly though. Not doing this last bridge is very much a last minute thing, no doubt related to the collapse of the bridge builder (sub contracted by Wodens, not the ACT gov).

gooterz said :

KB1971 said :

JC said :

slashdot said :

Because they are ultimately responsible for the roads. They do a terrible job contract managing, and we get stuck with sub-par roads that cost a fortune and then must be immediately upgraded *cough* GDE *cough*

Thats why the government is responsible. Sadly no-one gets sacked for doing a shit job in the public service

The GDE was poor planning for sure, not helped of course by the Howard Government and save the ridge delaying and costing more.

But in this case what could they have done any differently? How are they meant to know that a sub contractor to a company they use all the time was going to go bust?

And that is only one project that I have seen that immediately needed an upgrade. All the others around town are doing just fine.

Road resurfacing, Athlon average speed camera, hospital waiting times magic bus way.

+1.

Want a specific example in KB1971’s back yard? Try the road resurfacing of Pitman St, Tuggeranong.

I’m sure that when they originally announced the project, TAMS said that only the Eastbound side would be three lanes all the way through, and the Westbound side would only be completed between the Sullivans Creek bridge and Glenloch interchange. The plan (I think) was to put in the infrastructure for the other bridge extension now, and complete it later.

I had a look on the TAMS website, but the information they have is a little vague. It also says this:

“Clunies Ross Bridge widening for the westbound carriageway is also complete and waiting for the placement of the wearing course, which will happen in Janurary 2014.”

Sounds like it’s as done as it’s going to get for the moment.

KB1971 said :

JC said :

slashdot said :

Because they are ultimately responsible for the roads. They do a terrible job contract managing, and we get stuck with sub-par roads that cost a fortune and then must be immediately upgraded *cough* GDE *cough*

Thats why the government is responsible. Sadly no-one gets sacked for doing a shit job in the public service

The GDE was poor planning for sure, not helped of course by the Howard Government and save the ridge delaying and costing more.

But in this case what could they have done any differently? How are they meant to know that a sub contractor to a company they use all the time was going to go bust?

And that is only one project that I have seen that immediately needed an upgrade. All the others around town are doing just fine.

Road resurfacing, Athlon average speed camera, hospital waiting times magic bus way.

JC said :

slashdot said :

Because they are ultimately responsible for the roads. They do a terrible job contract managing, and we get stuck with sub-par roads that cost a fortune and then must be immediately upgraded *cough* GDE *cough*

Thats why the government is responsible. Sadly no-one gets sacked for doing a shit job in the public service

The GDE was poor planning for sure, not helped of course by the Howard Government and save the ridge delaying and costing more.

But in this case what could they have done any differently? How are they meant to know that a sub contractor to a company they use all the time was going to go bust?

And that is only one project that I have seen that immediately needed an upgrade. All the others around town are doing just fine.

slashdot said :

Because they are ultimately responsible for the roads. They do a terrible job contract managing, and we get stuck with sub-par roads that cost a fortune and then must be immediately upgraded *cough* GDE *cough*

Thats why the government is responsible. Sadly no-one gets sacked for doing a shit job in the public service

The GDE was poor planning for sure, not helped of course by the Howard Government and save the ridge delaying and costing more.

But in this case what could they have done any differently? How are they meant to know that a sub contractor to a company they use all the time was going to go bust?

JC said :

enrique said :

I haven’t seen all the details yet but on the face of it this sounds like another ACT government road upgrade/expansion project poorly managed, poorly completed, over-time/over-budget, and of questionable usability/quality.

I’m not surprised really – this has been going on for quite some time on many other sites.

Not quite sure how you can blame the government for a subcontractor going bust and how that can be poorly managed. Do you expect the government to have super human powers to crystal ball gaze?

What they do have control over is how they hold their prime contractor to account. I would have thought they would have insurance against delays by their subbies going bust.

Because they are ultimately responsible for the roads. They do a terrible job contract managing, and we get stuck with sub-par roads that cost a fortune and then must be immediately upgraded *cough* GDE *cough*

Thats why the government is responsible. Sadly no-one gets sacked for doing a shit job in the public service

enrique said :

I haven’t seen all the details yet but on the face of it this sounds like another ACT government road upgrade/expansion project poorly managed, poorly completed, over-time/over-budget, and of questionable usability/quality.

I’m not surprised really – this has been going on for quite some time on many other sites.

Not quite sure how you can blame the government for a subcontractor going bust and how that can be poorly managed. Do you expect the government to have super human powers to crystal ball gaze?

What they do have control over is how they hold their prime contractor to account. I would have thought they would have insurance against delays by their subbies going bust.

On the way back from the airport yesterday, I went past this area and was surprised that the bike path looks so narrow (and looks like an afterthought). JC is right, the area around the Sullivans Creek bridge does look half-arsed and looks the opposite of the CONFIDENT BOLD READY image the ACT govt is trying to sell us.

I haven’t seen all the details yet but on the face of it this sounds like another ACT government road upgrade/expansion project poorly managed, poorly completed, over-time/over-budget, and of questionable usability/quality.

I’m not surprised really – this has been going on for quite some time on many other sites.