Imaginary ghost bees? Nope - Drones

Roksteddy said :

Rachel Moore said :

dungfungus said :

Four ways to solve the problem of drone intrusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27-2WDIZR0

Wow @dungfungus! Great link – thanks you. Very American – thought-provoking. Can’t decide what I like most Battelle DroneDefender, Sky Wall defense system, Excipio Net Drone or Eagle, haha !?
@Roksteddy you should check the link out – engineers smarter than both of us are going to make some giant $$ with drone defense systems….. perhaps if drone users had done the right thing in the first place – we would not even be having this conversation.
Let me be really clear – this is not hysteria. Just how magical do you think the Australian justice system is? Simple as hey? Phone CASA or police – boom – problem solved? As if it is that simple! Not to mention increasing issues like ethics and intellectual property.

I’m not disagreeing with you, Rachel. It is not simple, as I said before. People will break the law every day and get away with it and the police can’t follow up on every report – whether it’s drones or a speeding car. I will repeat my earlier statement though – if you were a creep wanting to take photos of a child care centre, you are much more likely to wander past the fence with a camera that has the ability to zoom than hover overhead with a very obvious/noisy drone.

As you can guess, I am a drone user but I am very conservative in my use of it. Often, even when legal, I make the decision not fly it if I think it will disturb others. When I see footage on various forums of pilots who have done the wrong thing, I do report them to CASA. CASA have issued fines as a result of reporting by the public.

Most drone users do the right thing.

Agreed – a bunch of drone users do the right thing. Please don’t get me wrong – I think drones are super awesome – I used to be a photographer some of the images captured by drones – whoa. Just amazing.
And yes – a creeper jerk can stalk on by anywhere and take a picture, but the likelyhood you will be seen by someone is pretty high. Whole bunch easier to fly a drone by and no one sees who is operating the device. Some can fly a really, really long way.
Assumptions need to be made that use will continue to increase with the popular product becoming readily available on the domestic market. How many folks do you reckon will get drones for Christmas?
Problems will undoubtedly occur – seems pretty logical to me to start the conversation now – rather than wait until it is a giant let’s call in drone-busters to implement hysterical drone defense systems.

Rachel Moore said :

dungfungus said :

Four ways to solve the problem of drone intrusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27-2WDIZR0

Wow @dungfungus! Great link – thanks you. Very American – thought-provoking. Can’t decide what I like most Battelle DroneDefender, Sky Wall defense system, Excipio Net Drone or Eagle, haha !?
@Roksteddy you should check the link out – engineers smarter than both of us are going to make some giant $$ with drone defense systems….. perhaps if drone users had done the right thing in the first place – we would not even be having this conversation.
Let me be really clear – this is not hysteria. Just how magical do you think the Australian justice system is? Simple as hey? Phone CASA or police – boom – problem solved? As if it is that simple! Not to mention increasing issues like ethics and intellectual property.

I’m not disagreeing with you, Rachel. It is not simple, as I said before. People will break the law every day and get away with it and the police can’t follow up on every report – whether it’s drones or a speeding car. I will repeat my earlier statement though – if you were a creep wanting to take photos of a child care centre, you are much more likely to wander past the fence with a camera that has the ability to zoom than hover overhead with a very obvious/noisy drone.

As you can guess, I am a drone user but I am very conservative in my use of it. Often, even when legal, I make the decision not fly it if I think it will disturb others. When I see footage on various forums of pilots who have done the wrong thing, I do report them to CASA. CASA have issued fines as a result of reporting by the public.

Most drone users do the right thing.

dungfungus said :

Four ways to solve the problem of drone intrusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27-2WDIZR0

Wow @dungfungus! Great link – thanks you. Very American – thought-provoking. Can’t decide what I like most Battelle DroneDefender, Sky Wall defense system, Excipio Net Drone or Eagle, haha !?
@Roksteddy you should check the link out – engineers smarter than both of us are going to make some giant $$ with drone defense systems….. perhaps if drone users had done the right thing in the first place – we would not even be having this conversation.
Let me be really clear – this is not hysteria. Just how magical do you think the Australian justice system is? Simple as hey? Phone CASA or police – boom – problem solved? As if it is that simple! Not to mention increasing issues like ethics and intellectual property.

Rachel Moore said :

Roksteddy said :

Rachel Moore said :

Thanks @Roksteddy – super helpful link! But as the CASA site states – ‘Please note that as the safety regulator, the issue of privacy is not in our remit and therefore we cannot enforce privacy related matters’. Any ideas about the privacy part?

Well you’re not allowed to fly within 30m of buildings so that part is CASA. Other privacy issues are state regulated so it’s a matter of reporting it to police

@Roksteddy I am afraid I just don’t see this conversation so simply. What about childcare centers? What about flying over a prison, school or childcare center? What if I flew into an orchard and filmed a top secret trade horticultural practice? And legitimate – if you film me in my backyard – at 50m? Is that ok? I don’t think CASA and the Police are the only folks that need to participate in this conversation.

No, you’re right, it’s not simple at all. But the examples you use aren’t just applicable to drones. The same laws that apply to any photography with regards to privacy can be applied to drones – and in fact there is more of a threat to privacy in these instances from telephoto lens than the wide angle lenses that are usually on drones. If I film you in your backyard – with whatever device and at whatever distance – the police can charge me. I’m not sure who else you would want involved?
There are issues with any new technology that needs to be debated. Some of it is hysteria, some of it is justifiable concern. Drones are no different.

Four ways to solve the problem of drone intrusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27-2WDIZR0

Roksteddy said :

Rachel Moore said :

Thanks @Roksteddy – super helpful link! But as the CASA site states – ‘Please note that as the safety regulator, the issue of privacy is not in our remit and therefore we cannot enforce privacy related matters’. Any ideas about the privacy part?

Well you’re not allowed to fly within 30m of buildings so that part is CASA. Other privacy issues are state regulated so it’s a matter of reporting it to police

@Roksteddy I am afraid I just don’t see this conversation so simply. What about childcare centers? What about flying over a prison, school or childcare center? What if I flew into an orchard and filmed a top secret trade horticultural practice? And legitimate – if you film me in my backyard – at 50m? Is that ok? I don’t think CASA and the Police are the only folks that need to participate in this conversation.

Rachel Moore said :

Thanks @Roksteddy – super helpful link! But as the CASA site states – ‘Please note that as the safety regulator, the issue of privacy is not in our remit and therefore we cannot enforce privacy related matters’. Any ideas about the privacy part?

Well you’re not allowed to fly within 30m of buildings so that part is CASA. Other privacy issues are state regulated so it’s a matter of reporting it to police

Thanks @Roksteddy – super helpful link! But as the CASA site states – ‘Please note that as the safety regulator, the issue of privacy is not in our remit and therefore we cannot enforce privacy related matters’. Any ideas about the privacy part?

https://www.casa.gov.au/webform/unsafe-drone-operations-complaint-form