29 September 2008

A comment worth reading on the Downer murders

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Sometimes we get a comment made on a story which deserves a wider audience.

Here’s one by Donna33 which certainly fits that bill on the subject of the Downer double murder:

    Scott always wanted to be known as notorius. Well, hes reached a higher level now. And such a shame that a talented, good looking and clever person could end up like this monster he has become. I lived with Scott for 4 years and it makes me sick to think he has [allegedly] killed Marylins beautiful daughter Julie whom I also knew. I really hope he gets punished for his [alleged] crime.

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Dong No one said you are a bad person, count yourself lucky it wasn’t you who he murdered, and Jules was a really nice and happy person, always fun, she was too forgiving of people, but she won’t forgive monster, she is still around us and won’t go to the light until she is satisfied justice is done, I often feel Jules around me.

Donb – let it go mate, the comments you’re responding to were made almost 4 months ago. Raising it again will only reinvigorate a thread that bothers you.

In regard to the above comment…..I have NO fantasy with Scott Mcdougall…..I am VERY happily married to my gorgeous husband,and No I am not scared of him(Scott)….but I am scared of him coming after my family if i was to voluntarily testify about what kind of person he was and is, because he is the kind of psycopath that would remember names of people for 40 years and i want no part of that. I did NOT glorify him……I was simply confused and upset that i had actually wasted 3 yrs of my life with someone who could physically do what he did to his lifetime friend (Julie) It just sickens me to the stomach. And although I apologise for any hurt I created for my poor choice of words, I’m not going to sit here and be bagged by people. Namely one particular person. Im not going to get on this site again,so you can write whatever you want because I know that I am a good person. I have the utmost sadness for Julies family, beacause Julie was a really nice and happy person who was always fun to be around, and no-one should have to bury their own child especially in the circumstances that has happened. There should be corporal punishment in Australia for animals that murder in the most abbhorrable ways as this.

I can understand why people are upset with Donna as she only talked about her fantasy with McDougall and not the truth, just glorifing him, if she is so afraid about McDougall getting out and coming after her and her family (which he won’t) why the hell did she get on riotact?

Jeff
The notice went back in the following week because it was blurry and the printing hard to read, a much better result the second time.

Donna33

hi all, Its a pity Donna 33 didn’t mention how McDougull used to drag her around the floor by the hair, hit her and tried choke with her necklace when they lived together, she also said he was smart! Yes he’s as cunning as a gutter rat, I hope he has his guitar in prison with him as I believe he likes playing ‘whats the time Mr Wolf’ over ane over again as thats what he did on the day he murdered those two human beings in cold blood. Donna is terrified of him getting out on bail, so that says it all! He is an evil monster and should never be released as he is a danger to the public. The laws in Canberra should be the same as other states in Australia, but of course its the Capital so we must pretend it is squeky clean, just sweep things under the carpet, I was told when I came to Canberra it was a ‘Micky Mouse town’ now I know what he was talking about.

Granny

From what I understood Donna and Scott had a rocky relationship where Scott was violent during that period. She shared herself with a monster then.

I don’t think anyone was offended, Jeff.

Hi All,

Sorry if my post offended anyone – It truly was not meant to do so. I thought the messages were lovely from the families to let the public know that they appreciate all support they have received.

Often after funerals families send out cards to those they knew or were close to the deceased ones, however a message is normally put in the paper to thank those ones that the families may not have have known the personal names of people that were friends of the deceased or many not know details of how to contact certain people.

I am sure this thread will end now, however with what you said Loquaciousness in your comment I am sure once more details come to light down the track there will be more information that is printed by the media if a trial is to go ahead. Its all gone quiet for the time being but that will change when details emerge. Also the internet notice was quite blurry & hard to read that was in a PDF file online.

I did do a search on facebook and indeed Julie was pretty as the previous posts had mentioned – A google search brought up her name.

Sorry all if any offence has been taken once again, it was not my intention to do that.

Jeff.

Loquaciousness4:34 pm 12 Oct 08

Granny said :

Death notices always make me feel a bit weepy and choked up, though. They’re a very private thing even though they are so public. You just kind of see one and go, ouch, that’s pain. The “our Struan” really got to me for some reason.

To be honest they always make me wonder what the rest of the story is. I mean, if you read those notices in isolation, they would certainly make you realise how much isn’t being said.

L

Death notices are a scam the newspaper pulls on all of us. They’re required, legally, but the papers often charge like wounded bulls for them.

Death notices always make me feel a bit weepy and choked up, though. They’re a very private thing even though they are so public. You just kind of see one and go, ouch, that’s pain. The “our Struan” really got to me for some reason.

Loquaciousness9:35 am 12 Oct 08

ant said :

Jeff, you have resurrected 3 separate threads, that had lain dormant for 2 weeks, to say “stop commenting on this”?

Ye gods.

I think the point was to leave the thread on a (what’s the word?) more positive note, by finalising it with the death notices.

Of course, we’ve all just gone and ruined that. And since we have, I want to point out the shocking typos in Jeff’s reconstruction of the notices. I can only hope they weren’t printed that way originally o.O

L

I got my knickers in a knot over most of these threads calling JB names and what not and here they are again…

I kind of thought the same. Some people just can’t let sleeping threads lie ….

Jeff, you have resurrected 3 separate threads, that had lain dormant for 2 weeks, to say “stop commenting on this”?

Ye gods.

Hi all,

What a beautiful message left in the Canberra times from the victims families,
after all the readings on this site I thought it would be nice to close the
comments and end it with the acknowledgment in today’s paper, may Julie & Straun
rest in peace & I am sure everyone would agree it would be nice to leave all comments now as both these families that remain have a hard road ahead of them. They are available online to see in the Canberra times.
Jeff

From the Tattersall Family
***************************

Julie Sarah Tattersall
5-2-73 – 10-09-008

John, Marilyn,Belinda, Amy & James
wish to most sincerely thank those who could join as at the funeral, and to everyone
who has expressed kind thoughts and actions or sent cards or flowers following the tragic event that took our beautiful girl.

It has been very comforting to have so much support from our family and friends here and in the UK.

We would like to acknowledge the professionalism and assistance given to us by the AFP, Wendy.McDonald from white lady funerals, Rev Elaine.Gifford, Monica Jansen from the Quality Inn Dickson, Charles.Saleh of Furva Design and WIN TV.

Rest in Peace Jules

Forever Young & Beautiful

From the Bolas family
**********************
The Bolas Family extends their sincere thanks for the beautiful floral tributes, cards and telephone calls for our Struan.

I’m just grateful I never knew Scott ….

BusyButBored2:38 pm 30 Sep 08

I just never knew Scott as a monster so am interested in the full story once it comes out. Nobody deserves to be murdered though.

Life is very unjust at times. I am sorry for your loss.

BusyButBored2:26 pm 30 Sep 08

albeit a very small cell I imagine.

Nah Granny.The only thing im upset about is that the waste of space called Scott is still walking around.

The RiotFiles ….

Granny, if we re-wrote history that way, then Binnoski would attain mythical status for having vanished. Then she’d be like Richie & Joanie Cunningham’s big brother whose name escapes me.
Or we’d end up with conspiracy theories for decades to come. And then Kramer & Johnboy would be accused of the Kennedy assassination.

I think erasing the discussion from history and pretending it didn’t happen would be kind of weird.

Sepi, that was discussed at the time. And presumably rejected.

I’d lay down a challenge to anyone who thinks posts and comments should be withdrawn: to define the bounds of their censorship. What is acceptable and what is unacceptable censorship? By his moderation of this site, JohnBoy’s nailed his colours to the mast regards that question. And while I might not agree with every little decision he makes (and I’ve petitioned him to change one or two – and failed), I agree with the overall thrust. RiotACT is better for being an open site, where everyone’s got a voice.

Comments are one thing, but I personally would delete the actual post about Binnoski.

tylersmayhem9:27 am 30 Sep 08

I’m as nervous about it as you Aurelius 🙂 Don’t worry, when/if I ever make it out of Moderation, I might go back to disagreeing with you 😉 LOL

Tyler, that’s twice in 3 weeks we’ve agreed.
You’re worrying me.

tylersmayhem9:05 am 30 Sep 08

I second all comments by Aurelius. The moment we start compromising information on this forum, where would the lines be drawn. It’s what makes RA so unique.

Agreed on both points Aurelius.

The best thing about RiotACT is the ability to voice your comments/opinions without having it moderated or cut.
Hell, I’ve been slammed on here before, but who hasn’t!? 😀

Summer needs to realise that this (RiotACT) is not a personal attack on anyone involved. The community has a right to comment and voice their opinions, even if they are the only ones with that point of view…

I also think it’s inappropriate to come here and throw around the names of the victims’ family members. Binnoski appeared here using that name. We who are so disrespectful have continued to refer to her under her chosen pseudonym, but those closer to the family have referred to her, and the victim’s mother, by their actual names. Maybe my attitude differs from the majority here, but I think that’s a bit disrespectful toward them.

On the contrary.
If JohnBoy removes posts and comments, he will NOT be more respected. He will be roundly condemned, and rightfully so. Censorship is never respected.
Summer and others – if you want this story to disappear on RiotACT, then shut up about it. Constantly reviving it by commenting, especially when your comment is simply calling for the removal of the thread, is doing the opposite of your goal. Because the threads and comments shouldn’t be removed, so reviving them is bringing them to the surface, and increasing their exposure.

Hi Donna,

Marilyn’s daughter Julie was a beautiful person with a kind personality and she did light up the room when she entered. My heart goes out to her father, mother, two sisters and only nephew & also to Straun’s family at this devastating time for all of them.

Scott will be appearing in the Canberra court Fri 3rd Oct to be formally charged with the murder of Julie as he has only been charged with the murder of the unidentified female.

I just hope that all that has been published by all on this site sit in the court room as they proceed down the track and hear the horrific crime that has conflicted on two people.

Perhaps Johnyboy from Turner you too can sit in there and listen to the horrific crime.

Its time to take down all these negative posts, name calling & comments on Binnoski.
I honestly believe that you will be more respected by doing so. Yes you are not responsible for people posting things on this site but you do have the power to remove all these posts.

Now that we know Scott has been charged with these murders in respect of the direct families, relatives & close friends of these two who have lost their loved ones it would be out of respect that you take down all the name calling & return this site back to normality.

Only those that knew Julie & Straun well will know the full story & from reading some of posts on here many people have it wrong. There have also been some very kind comments from people.

I too knew Julie well – She was a lovely person.

Sure this is not a site to get on and grieve but as you can understand people do things when they are upset. And when you have lost a loved one you are looking for anything you can find about people who knew Julie and Straun.

The only way to stop all these posts is to remove them and get back to the latest news & make it a more positive site.

Donna, this is obviously very upsetting for you. I know how difficult it can be when you discover that you have shared your innermost self with a monster over a number of years. Is there someone you can talk to about what you are going through, who can help you work through your feelings at this terrible time?

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