A short message from Girt_Hindrance to the Falsies Mob

johnboy 13 November 2012 44
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This in from Girt_Hindrance in relation to the falsies.

Get a f***ing hobby, or at least some talent

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 10:18 pm 15 Nov 12

LSWCHP said :

NicholasBurns said :

Antagonist said :

The irony here is that you have offered no facts yourself. You have simply responded with assertions and sweeping generalisations, not unlike those that you have been so critical of.

Art is a subjective beast and as such finding any “facts” on the ability to grade, merit or criticise is entirely subjective and “facts” become murky territory.

You can decry the method of delivery, you can subjectively assess and appraise a work, but you cannot ever assert the personal preference of an artistic work as a fact. It is subjective opinion. That, I guess, is a fact.

Even those with opinions held in high regard are still considered to just have an opinion. An opinion can change and is a subjective thing. A fact, ideally, is disputable. I guess?

Whatever I’m done for now.

Well thank a random deity for that.

FWIW, I reckon C&GN is on the money. Screw these dimwits and their spray cans, in almost all cases they’re just introducing visual pollution that benefits nobody.

I probably should have preceded that with “My opinion is…”, but I really can’t be bothered doing that with every sentence I write here.

No it’s not your opinion, your just stating dem facts!

Never apologise for stating facts!

Sandman Sandman 10:02 pm 15 Nov 12

Dante said :

Either way, it’s eliciting an emotional response from you in one form or another, which art sets out to do.

I’m not sure that “art” and “eliciting an emotional response” are mutually exclusive. I can think of a little goings on in New York city one morning in 2001 that elicited the biggest emotional response in recent history, yet I’ve never heard anyone refer to that event as a defining artistic moment.

LSWCHP LSWCHP 8:32 pm 15 Nov 12

NicholasBurns said :

Antagonist said :

The irony here is that you have offered no facts yourself. You have simply responded with assertions and sweeping generalisations, not unlike those that you have been so critical of.

Art is a subjective beast and as such finding any “facts” on the ability to grade, merit or criticise is entirely subjective and “facts” become murky territory.

You can decry the method of delivery, you can subjectively assess and appraise a work, but you cannot ever assert the personal preference of an artistic work as a fact. It is subjective opinion. That, I guess, is a fact.

Even those with opinions held in high regard are still considered to just have an opinion. An opinion can change and is a subjective thing. A fact, ideally, is disputable. I guess?

Whatever I’m done for now.

Well thank a random deity for that.

FWIW, I reckon C&GN is on the money. Screw these dimwits and their spray cans, in almost all cases they’re just introducing visual pollution that benefits nobody.

I probably should have preceded that with “My opinion is…”, but I really can’t be bothered doing that with every sentence I write here.

NicholasBurns NicholasBurns 7:59 pm 15 Nov 12

NicholasBurns said :

A fact, ideally, is disputable. I guess?

Sorry, indisputable. oops

tuco tuco 6:53 pm 15 Nov 12

Did I just hear the sound of toys being tossed from the cot?

NicholasBurns NicholasBurns 6:17 pm 15 Nov 12

Antagonist said :

The irony here is that you have offered no facts yourself. You have simply responded with assertions and sweeping generalisations, not unlike those that you have been so critical of.

Art is a subjective beast and as such finding any “facts” on the ability to grade, merit or criticise is entirely subjective and “facts” become murky territory.

You can decry the method of delivery, you can subjectively assess and appraise a work, but you cannot ever assert the personal preference of an artistic work as a fact. It is subjective opinion. That, I guess, is a fact.

Even those with opinions held in high regard are still considered to just have an opinion. An opinion can change and is a subjective thing. A fact, ideally, is disputable. I guess?

Whatever I’m done for now.

Dante Dante 1:50 pm 15 Nov 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

i only ever deal in facts.

A personal opinion is never a fact.

Facts have their grounds in objectivity and so far you’ve shown a complete lack of basic logical reasoning in your comments. It’s a shame people have to troll reasonable discussion.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 1:28 pm 15 Nov 12

Antagonist said :

NicholasBurns said :

“Fact is” it is impossible to argue facts with someone who can offer none, which you’ve proven again and again. I don’t see why I should waste my time arguing with someone who cannot even begin to argue like a grown up. For all your accusations of childish meanderings, you’re the most evident example of childish behaviour in this article/thread. Again, grow up.

The irony here is that you have offered no facts yourself. You have simply responded with assertions and sweeping generalisations, not unlike those that you have been so critical of.

As for tagging: My understanding is that it has its origins in US-based gangs to mark territories, and to warn other gangs away from the area. The ‘tagging a tag’ would occurr when a block or similar piece of gang territory had been claimed by a rival gang, or just to sh!t stir rivals. This is the artistic ‘communication’ to which you refer. Tagging has no cultural relevance over here, and it still is not ‘art’. It is just an act of vandalism.

If I take a dump in Garema Place, will it provoke thoughts or discussion? Most likely. Does that make it art? No.

i only ever deal in facts.

Antagonist Antagonist 11:17 am 15 Nov 12

NicholasBurns said :

“Fact is” it is impossible to argue facts with someone who can offer none, which you’ve proven again and again. I don’t see why I should waste my time arguing with someone who cannot even begin to argue like a grown up. For all your accusations of childish meanderings, you’re the most evident example of childish behaviour in this article/thread. Again, grow up.

The irony here is that you have offered no facts yourself. You have simply responded with assertions and sweeping generalisations, not unlike those that you have been so critical of.

As for tagging: My understanding is that it has its origins in US-based gangs to mark territories, and to warn other gangs away from the area. The ‘tagging a tag’ would occurr when a block or similar piece of gang territory had been claimed by a rival gang, or just to sh!t stir rivals. This is the artistic ‘communication’ to which you refer. Tagging has no cultural relevance over here, and it still is not ‘art’. It is just an act of vandalism.

If I take a dump in Garema Place, will it provoke thoughts or discussion? Most likely. Does that make it art? No.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 10:25 am 15 Nov 12

NicholasBurns said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Hey bro, its not name calling if im just stateing dem facts.

It is name calling, and that is all you are doing.

I tried to express it to you in a way somebody who thinks tags are art would be receptive too, cleary that was to hard for you tio grasp.

You expressed it with contempt that no one else has shown you thus far. You’ve made wide, crude and damning statements with no merit nor any justification and everyone else has shown you at least a modicum of respect. Grow up.

And duh, if they are girls, then they have the smallest of penises, ones that you can even see.

You aren’t actually funny.

Just for debates sake, can you explain to me what sort of skill or artistic integrity the vandalisation in the picture shows?

Colour composition, placement, the ability for the artist to express themselves in a medium and location that others aren’t capable of. Have you ever tried to use spraypaint? Have you ever had roughly three seconds to place a picture? Thought not.

Fact is, its litteraly impossible to justify as anything but kids ruining someones wall with childish letters.

“Fact is” it is impossible to argue facts with someone who can offer none, which you’ve proven again and again. I don’t see why I should waste my time arguing with someone who cannot even begin to argue like a grown up. For all your accusations of childish meanderings, you’re the most evident example of childish behaviour in this article/thread. Again, grow up.

Yes i can write letters on a wall, as can my 4 year old. i use lots of spray paint at work. pretty basic stuff.

Stop trying to justify talentless rubbish that is not art. You think some scribbles and letters on a wall is art and you tell me to grow up? lol.

also, i have not insulted or been rude to anybody in this thread, let alone treated anyone with contempt. i would liek you to point out where you think i did or issue a apology.

thanks in advance.

bundah bundah 9:50 am 15 Nov 12

Anyone caught tagging should be made to remove their handy work with caustic solution and a toothbrush (Hillier style)!

NicholasBurns NicholasBurns 9:27 am 15 Nov 12

Keijidosha said :

Defacing property without permission is vandalism.

Street artists who wish to hone their talent should find a legal canvas.

I think it is very important to seperate those two arguments.

I agree that it is vandalism, but I do think it is a bit misguided to think that the work demonstrated here is nessecerally about “honing” a skill in the traditional, visual arts practice sense. This isn’t work done to eventually go up in a gallery, nor to make “political” statements or to “move” people. It is work done for the sake of doing, for the enjoyment of others who “get” it I guess.

NicholasBurns NicholasBurns 9:22 am 15 Nov 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Hey bro, its not name calling if im just stateing dem facts.

It is name calling, and that is all you are doing.

I tried to express it to you in a way somebody who thinks tags are art would be receptive too, cleary that was to hard for you tio grasp.

You expressed it with contempt that no one else has shown you thus far. You’ve made wide, crude and damning statements with no merit nor any justification and everyone else has shown you at least a modicum of respect. Grow up.

And duh, if they are girls, then they have the smallest of penises, ones that you can even see.

You aren’t actually funny.

Just for debates sake, can you explain to me what sort of skill or artistic integrity the vandalisation in the picture shows?

Colour composition, placement, the ability for the artist to express themselves in a medium and location that others aren’t capable of. Have you ever tried to use spraypaint? Have you ever had roughly three seconds to place a picture? Thought not.

Fact is, its litteraly impossible to justify as anything but kids ruining someones wall with childish letters.

“Fact is” it is impossible to argue facts with someone who can offer none, which you’ve proven again and again. I don’t see why I should waste my time arguing with someone who cannot even begin to argue like a grown up. For all your accusations of childish meanderings, you’re the most evident example of childish behaviour in this article/thread. Again, grow up.

Keijidosha Keijidosha 9:10 am 15 Nov 12

Tagging, street art, graffiti… the label doesn’t matter. Defacing property without permission is vandalism. Street artists who wish to hone their talent should find a legal canvas.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 9:04 am 15 Nov 12

NicholasBurns said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

A talentless tagged are we?

Honestly, I don’t tag. I’ve no real way to prove this to you, mind you, but I don’t see any reason why I would lie about it. If I did something, I’d be more than happy to admit to it. However, given your assertion, am I talentless because i do a tag, or do I tag because I’m talentless? Because again, neither is a fact, because there are a number of people who tag who produce quality work. Just because the tags themselves do not represent the work you’d personally find appealing does not mean there is no merit in those who make them.

Even a child could tell you the fact that taggers are talentless dumb dumbs with no brains and tiny lil dongers and have no idea what art is.

Subjective opinion asserted as absolute fact and childish name-calling. And as Dante (I believe) has said, it gives an interesting insight into your mind. The fact that you bought up small penises without there being absolutely any merit behind it (besides which, how do you know falsies mob aren’t women? Or partially comprised of them) just leads me to believe you have some fairly deep-seated insecurities that I hope one day you will seek help for, if you aren’t already.

You saying you like a tag puts you on that same level. I hope you can understand those facts this time.

There were no facts this time, again, just subjective opinion asserted as facts. If you’re going to try and engage in some kind of debate or discussion, please do it in a civil manner from now on, okay? I’m giving you all the respect I can but this is absolutely typical of a frustrated riotact poster.

How many people could produce tags similar to what is shown in the picture?

Excellent question! But as you may or may not know, modern contemporary art is filled with works where people have asserted “I could do better”. Look at something like Blue Poles by Jackson Pollock (“It’s just paint thrown on a canvas, I could do the same thing pretty much!”), or a number of other works held in critical acclaim.

From what I understand it is not uncommon for people who tag to tag other tags. It’s like a form of communication.

I think the lack of talent is self evident.

Not at all.

Summary: Try and distinguish between the actual work itself and the method of delivery. Yes, you don’t have to like tagging, and especially yes, you do not have to agree with it’s method of delivery. I guess the two are irreversibly linked and have been for a long, long time. You could go on, but it’s one thing to criticise vandalism, and another to belittle, often with unfair, prejudicial or unfounded comparisons, people who may prefer one paticular form of art over another.

Hey bro, its not name calling if im just stateing dem facts.

I tried to express it to you in a way somebody who thinks tags are art would be receptive too, cleary that was to hard for you tio grasp.

Amazing.

And duh, if they are girls, then they have the smallest of penises, ones that you can even see.

Just for debates sake, can you explain to me what sort of skill or artistic integrity the vandalisation in the picture shows?

Fact is, its litteraly impossible to justify as anything but kids ruining someones wall with childish letters.

NicholasBurns NicholasBurns 8:37 am 15 Nov 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

A talentless tagged are we?

Honestly, I don’t tag. I’ve no real way to prove this to you, mind you, but I don’t see any reason why I would lie about it. If I did something, I’d be more than happy to admit to it. However, given your assertion, am I talentless because i do a tag, or do I tag because I’m talentless? Because again, neither is a fact, because there are a number of people who tag who produce quality work. Just because the tags themselves do not represent the work you’d personally find appealing does not mean there is no merit in those who make them.

Even a child could tell you the fact that taggers are talentless dumb dumbs with no brains and tiny lil dongers and have no idea what art is.

Subjective opinion asserted as absolute fact and childish name-calling. And as Dante (I believe) has said, it gives an interesting insight into your mind. The fact that you bought up small penises without there being absolutely any merit behind it (besides which, how do you know falsies mob aren’t women? Or partially comprised of them) just leads me to believe you have some fairly deep-seated insecurities that I hope one day you will seek help for, if you aren’t already.

You saying you like a tag puts you on that same level. I hope you can understand those facts this time.

There were no facts this time, again, just subjective opinion asserted as facts. If you’re going to try and engage in some kind of debate or discussion, please do it in a civil manner from now on, okay? I’m giving you all the respect I can but this is absolutely typical of a frustrated riotact poster.

How many people could produce tags similar to what is shown in the picture?

Excellent question! But as you may or may not know, modern contemporary art is filled with works where people have asserted “I could do better”. Look at something like Blue Poles by Jackson Pollock (“It’s just paint thrown on a canvas, I could do the same thing pretty much!”), or a number of other works held in critical acclaim.

From what I understand it is not uncommon for people who tag to tag other tags. It’s like a form of communication.

I think the lack of talent is self evident.

Not at all.

Summary: Try and distinguish between the actual work itself and the method of delivery. Yes, you don’t have to like tagging, and especially yes, you do not have to agree with it’s method of delivery. I guess the two are irreversibly linked and have been for a long, long time. You could go on, but it’s one thing to criticise vandalism, and another to belittle, often with unfair, prejudicial or unfounded comparisons, people who may prefer one paticular form of art over another.

Dante Dante 8:08 am 15 Nov 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

A talentless tagged are we?

Even a child could tell you the fact that taggers are talentless dumb dumbs with no brains and tiny lil dongers and have no idea what art is.

You saying you like a tag puts you on that same level. I hope you can understand those facts this time.

Your argument is invalid.

chewy14 chewy14 7:56 am 15 Nov 12

Seriously,
How many people could produce tags similar to what is shown in the picture?

I think the lack of talent is self evident.

But is it art? Maybe, but not any that I’d want to see.

milkman milkman 6:57 am 15 Nov 12

Tagging makes you a d***head. The end.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:47 am 15 Nov 12

NicholasBurns said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

That’s like saying people cannot accept the Mona Lisa as art without first accepting this poo on a plate first.

To put it simply, fact is, if you tag you have no intellect, talent or artistic view.

Nothing personal, but that initial statement/comparison proves no actual point, nor is it actually funny, relevant or intelligent. So I fail to see what it adds to the conversation besides more bile.

Subsequently, what fact? On what basis or authority should we take your assertion that people who tag “have no intellect, talent or artistic view”? See, it would be one thing to decry someone defacing public property- I don’t think anyone would disagree with you on it. But to then bring in an entirely subjective assessment of artistic expression, insist that it is fact (when it is clearly not) and make disparaging remarks about others is something else entirely and I would appreciate it if you would retract/apologise for these statements. It is crude, base and unbecoming of civilised conversation.

Even Robert Hughes, who with absolute confidence I would say is leagues more qualified to discuss the relative merits (or lack thereof) of art or art movements, stresses the importance of people to use their own judgement of whether an artwork is worthwhile. To be fair I’m quite fond of how the “muriel” tag comes out and I like the use of colour. I know it’s a simple assessment but it’s a simple work and I just like it.

Also, agreed- many forms of artistic expression start from relatively humble, simple origins, and some artists like to stay there. Up to them.

A talentless tagged are we?

Even a child could tell you the fact that taggers are talentless dumb dumbs with no brains and tiny lil dongers and have no idea what art is.

You saying you like a tag puts you on that same level. I hope you can understand those facts this time.

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