21 October 2024

ACT Greens back from the dead in Brindabella with chance to snatch a seat off the Liberals

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Laura Nuttall

It was reported that Laura Nuttall lost on Saturday, but reports of her demise may have been premature. Photo: Supplied.

Could Greens MLA Laura Nuttall be the ACT election’s Harry Truman?

Following the 1948 presidential election, President Truman famously held up the incorrect Dewey defeats Truman front page of the Chicago Daily Tribune on the day he claimed victory.

While not carrying the same historic significance, national media definitively reported Ms Nuttall lost her seat on Saturday. It appeared Liberal candidate James Daniels had edged her out for the fifth and final seat in Brindabella.

However, there has been a remarkable shift in the vote count since then, with an election analyst projecting Ms Nuttall may have her nose in front as of Monday (21 October).

“The Liberal vote has come down a lot compared to the early preference distributions, and the Green vote has gone up relative to Labor,” Dr Kevin Bonham said.

“That’s put [Ms Nuttall] in a position where she can get ahead of the Labor candidate and get Labor preferences to beat the Liberals … but that’s not the only scenario. The count is very complicated.

“It seems as if you pressed the button now, the Greens should win … we’ll just have to watch the votes come in over the following days; if the postal votes were stronger than normal for the Liberals, that could save them. But at the moment, it looks as if the Liberals have work to do.

“There is also a remote and freakish scenario in which Labor [Mick Gentleman] could still plausibly win that seat … it’s quite extraordinary that they’re in the contest because they only had two quotas.”

Harry S Truman holds up an election day edition of the Chicago Daily Tribune, which – based on early results – mistakenly announced ‘Dewey Defeats Truman’. Photo: AP Photo/Byron Rollins.

According to the published ACT electoral commission data as of Monday, Mr Daniels has received 3577 first preference votes to Ms Nuttall’s 2969, with just under 80 per cent of the total vote counted so far.

However, Dr Bonham states the Green “looks like winning” because she is getting a higher flow of preferences from ACT Labor and Independents for Canberra, which is projected to push her above the Liberal. However, the result remains in doubt.

News Corp has reported the expected overall ACT election result is that Labor and the Liberals will win 10 seats each, with a “collapse” in the Greens vote to lose half their seats (from six to three).

However, if Ms Nuttall gets up in Brindabella, it will mean the Greens will end up having four seats and the Liberals nine – the same amount they won at the 2020 election.

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The remaining two seats have been won by Independents for Canberra’s Thomas Emerson and independent Fiona Carrick.

This means that Labor and the Greens combined have a comfortable majority of 14 seats in the 25-seat assembly, reducing the need for Chief Minister Andrew Barr to rely on the support of the independents to govern.

Mr Bonham said we may not know the final result in Brindabella until the end of the week as postal votes that are received as late as this Friday (25 October) are still to be counted. The formal declaration of the final result occurs on Wednesday, 30 October.

He also said talk of a Greens vote “collapse” may be overstating things.

“All the big three parties have lost votes. Labor has lost the most, the Liberals seemed to have lost a bit and the Greens have gone backwards as well. A lot of it is just increased competition from Independents for Canberra and Fiona Carrick, who have done well … I don’t think the Greens have done particularly badly in the circumstances. I don’t think they ran as good a campaign as in 2020 … it was always the case that they were vulnerable to a small change because they got incredibly lucky with winning seats last time.”

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The veteran election analyst says the only other contest still to be decided is Murrumbidgee where two Liberals, Ed Cocks and Amardeep Singh, are battling it out for the fifth and final seat.

“I don’t see the other seats being competitive at party level. People have talked about the Independents for Canberra in Yerrabi, but I think they’re too far behind the Greens to catch up,” he said.

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What a pity. The Greens are nothing but an offshoot of the Barr Labor Govt and equally responsible for the fiscal and financial mess that Canberra is in at present.

Could the LIBS do us a favour and collect their corflutes! Seems other Parties have.

Who would vote for these Marxist drips?

@bob9000
Apparently, as at 3:55pm 22/10/2024, 12.4% of eligible ACT voters on first preferences … or if you like ‘3 out of 25 seats’ worth of voters

You have no idea if you think the greens are marxists

You’ve just answered @bob9000 question better than anyone ever could…

Nuttall may get her nose in front of Gentleman ensuring he gets eliminated before her, but that may decrease the chances for a left of centre candidate winning the 5th seat. There’s a stronger preference flow from Labor candidates to the Liberals than from Greens to the Liberals. Gentleman’s elimination before Nuttall could give the Libs those couple of extra votes to stay ahead. I’ll also note that only about half the postals have had their first preferences counted, and it doesn’t look like the paper ballots cast in early voting have been added to the tallies as yet. They will both most likely favour the Liberals. It’s incredibly tight. Maybe Daniels 1/2 chance, Gentleman 1/3 chance and Nuttall 1/6 chance.

I now reckon Nuttall 2/3. As more votes get added to the preference distribution spreadsheet, most Liberal and Labor votes go towards maintaining the existing 2 quotas that each hold, while the Greens total just goes up. It seems most people who voted Independent were just casting a protest vote rather than voting for actual change, and defaulted back to Labor-Greens afterwards despite their long standing neglect of Tuggeranong and poor management of health, education and the budget.

I will be very surprised if Laura Nuttall does a Dewey. Unlike Dewey, I am not sure whether Ms Nuttall’s loss will continue to be as notorious eight decades into the future. The latest count has James Daniels and Mick Gentleman fighting it out. Mr Daniels is the red-hot favourite but with Hare Clark being so unpredictable, who knows.

The Libs performed incredibly badly in the North and it was only down to Mark Parton doing the hard yards in Brindabella to bring the party’s vote to a more respectable 0.7% overall and hopefully, just hopefully prevent that very obnoxious Independent down there getting up!

I don’t know, just spitballing here but I would have thought that with the Greens over half a quota and Labor barely over 2 that would knock out Gentleman and put the Greens in the box seat in a head-to-head with the Liberal if preference flows go as expected. As I said I don’t know I’m just interested in how it works.

My money is on James Daniels Seano! I would rather him than those bloody Independents!

Mick Gentleman, and Joy Burch should have been moved on long ago. It is a problem for all political parties, too timid to act. Those who have been around too long should be moved on, or quit when their time is up. Bringing renewal, new blood and ideas into their ranks and removing those who are not contributing and have lost interest.

Well done Caitlin Tough and Taimus Werner-Gibbings! Who knows how the results would have turned out for Labor in Brindabella if Mick and Joy had retired two elections ago!

@Jack D.
“that very obnoxious Independent”
If Dr Picker upset you, she must have been doing something correctly!

No JustSaying I just had to listen to her and look at her abysmal vote!

For such a high profile candidate she did badly and gained very little from preferences!

Jack D.
Have you checked the official distribution of preferences for Brindabella, from Elections ACT?
https://www.elections.act.gov.au/for-voters/distribution-of-preferences-2024/table2_brindabella.pdf

Picker was the third last candidate to be excluded – the only two losing candidates who lasted longer, were sitting members, Laura Nuttall and Mick Gentleman.

I would say rather than an “abysmal vote”, an objective assessment, of this “high profile candidate”, would be that she did quite well.

For such a high-profile candidate as Dr Picker and her extremely impressive background, who claimed such a strong and long-term affinity with the Brindabella electorate, I would have expected better. Especially with her strong media presence and compared to some other underwhelming candidates who did so much better and seemed to be running to make up numbers!

I do note however, and in all fairness to Dr Picker, her votes have picked up from those you posted and others I previously looked at.

Only two Independents were elected overall!

It could have been so much worse!

@Jack D.
Sorry, Jack D, but your obvious personal issue with Dr Picker is not, in itself, evidence of anything.

You can pontificate as much as you like on her standing, etc. and regale us with your opinion, etc with regard to her performance at the election.

I prefer to go with the true facts (i.e. the figures from Elections ACT), the results of which, I think any objective oberver would read they reflect well on her performance at the elction.

Yes indeed, it could have been much worse for you and your Labor colleagues. It certainly makes for an interesting prologue to the 2028 election

Really JS?

She lost, I moved on, I don’t really give a rats!

Jack D.
Well you seem to give enough of a rats to continue disparaging her electoral performance this morning … nevertheless, I’ve had my say and am certainly moving on.

All the votes has the same chance. If votes went up they could equally come down.
No one Labor voters are problem gamblers.

Whichever way you look at it, it’ll be four more years of the Greens tail wagging the Labor dog; four more years of the tyranny of the minority😤

Labor 34.5% is comfortably ahead of the Liberals 33.1%….with the Greens 12.4% they account for nearly half the electorate…I’m not sure why you think they’re in the minority but your maths is wrong.

To put it another way, nearly 67% of Canberrans voted not the Liberal Party.

By that same token, 67% of Canberrans also voted not the Labor party, and 88% voted not the greens.

It will be interesting if this flows through. My Dad told me he voted Mark Parton and then switched over to his usual Labor and other candidates further down the vote card.

Be very interesting if there’s many other Tuggeranong voters who did something similar, with a vote based on a bit of old style support for a ‘local people connected’ personality like Mark Parton, but then the rest of their vote card switches back to the usual party.

You see this in the US, for example people in a strong Republican region, vote in a Democratic Governor or Senator because of his on the ground connection to locals, but then are all in for Trump and other Republicans for every other vote they cast.

Ian De Landelles2:52 pm 22 Oct 24

Voting for a candidate from a party, then leaving that party column, is not unknown, particularly in the Hare-Clark system.

In the 2012 election, Mary Porter, my wife, received more primary votes than any of the other 16 Labor candidates, except for the then Chief Minister, Katy Gallagher.

Voters would say, ‘I’m not voting Labor, I’m voting for Mary’, and then distribute their preferences elsewhere.

This is exactly the voter behaviour that Hare and Clark intended to encourage when they developed their system. It was designed to reduce the power of the party and return that power to the electors.

Just what we need, a Greens member fresh out of school with many great ideas on how to spend our rates.

Margaret Freemantle2:12 pm 24 Oct 24

We need Greens like a hole in the head!

If Nuttall gets in Gentleman misses out so it’s not all bad news.

Yes! Time to find a new job Gentleman

@Futureproof
Very rare that you and I sing from the same hymn sheet, but 👍

Bright Spark5:57 pm 21 Oct 24

ohnooooo

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