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Anti-smoking groups rioting in the streets over delay in removing counter displays

By johnboy - 26 August 2008 21

OK, so they aren’t actually rioting. More issuing stern denunciations.

The ABC reports that the Tobacco Control Amendment Bill is coming in for cursory debate this week. It will outlaw, eventually, counter displays of cigarettes.

Action on Smoking and Health (ASH – oh my aching sides) chief executive Anne Jones is angry though; because retailers will now get some time to re-model their shops. The end of 2009 is now the end date for most retailers and 2010 for the tobacconists who’ve rather built their shops around the displays.

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Anti-smoking groups rioting in the streets over delay in removing counter displays
jakez 10:10 am 26 Aug 08

Mr Evil said :

Sammy said :

what’s the next target for the do-gooders?

I dunno, I guess they’ll just have to move down to the next entry in the “Enormous cost to the public purse” list.

Awesome, I’ve been wanting to see a crackdown on single mothers with multiple children to multiple partners, long-term dole bludgers and malingering sickness beneficiaries for ages! 😉

I thought we did that already. Besides they’ve been replaced by all the people Howard bought with his profligate spending. Old people and middle class families beware, you are next to go to the wall!

Mr Evil 10:01 am 26 Aug 08

Sammy said :

what’s the next target for the do-gooders?

I dunno, I guess they’ll just have to move down to the next entry in the “Enormous cost to the public purse” list.

Awesome, I’ve been wanting to see a crackdown on single mothers with multiple children to multiple partners, long-term dole bludgers and malingering sickness beneficiaries for ages! 😉

peterh 9:54 am 26 Aug 08

pelican said :

Banning tobacco wouldn’t work anyway it would only drive it underground. It is hard to criminilise something that has been legal for eons unless you give it an end date – say tobacco will be banned from the year 2030 (just to pluck a figure).

By then all the old smokers will be gone and hopefully the uptake will be less. Still not sure that would work. No easy answers on this one and it is a subject that ruffles the feathers on both sides.

I have never smoked but I am glad that as an asthmatic I no longer have to inhale someonelse’s smoke in a restaurant or on a plane or bus. It was unbearable.

here’s the thing. I hate smokers who light up at a cafe. or in a car, bus etc. I smoke, but i have some respect for others. I can be found outside in the wind, sleet, snow, hail, thunderstorm etc, etc. I don’t smoke in my car, I don’t smoke around my kids, I can go for several hours without having one. BUT, if I need one and can’t have it for several more hours, I panic. I believe I won’t survive without it. (probably won’t survive with it)

quitting smoking isn’t about overcoming the nicotine addiction for me, it is overcoming the fear of going to pieces without it.

if it was a banned substance, I wouldn’t actively go looking for it. I would just go on living my life.

I have recovered from an alcohol addiction, I still drink, but only rarely. It doesn’t interest me. If i can convince myself that smoking is of no interest to me, I am convinced i will stop.

Impassive 9:51 am 26 Aug 08

Given that the long term costs of advertising junk food to kiddies looks like it is going to make the cost of tobacco look like nothing, where is the hysterical screaming about this??

The tobacco lobby lost it’s way somewhere – they need to take advice from the junk food lobby if they want to survive!!

pelican 9:45 am 26 Aug 08

Banning tobacco wouldn’t work anyway it would only drive it underground. It is hard to criminilise something that has been legal for eons unless you give it an end date – say tobacco will be banned from the year 2030 (just to pluck a figure).

By then all the old smokers will be gone and hopefully the uptake will be less. Still not sure that would work. No easy answers on this one and it is a subject that ruffles the feathers on both sides.

I have never smoked but I am glad that as an asthmatic I no longer have to inhale someonelse’s smoke in a restaurant or on a plane or bus. It was unbearable.

jakez 9:43 am 26 Aug 08

Sammy said :

what’s the next target for the do-gooders?

I dunno, I guess they’ll just have to move down to the next entry in the “Enormous cost to the public purse” list.

I do so love it when a coercive Government program becomes a justification for another coercive Government program.

…3 post nutbag.

jakez 9:41 am 26 Aug 08

Sammy said :

Firstly, I agree that cigarettes should not be on display. If they’re on display, then they’re being promoted. That’s what a display is.

Are you saying that cigarettes should not be on display because that is the promotion of cigarettes, and that the promotion of cigarettes should be banned?

If so, why should the promotion of cigarettes be banned?

jakez 9:39 am 26 Aug 08

pelican said :

If we are to get serious about smoking then this is a good idea but no idea is good in isolation if the goal is to reduce the numbers of young people taking up smoking.

As for rights – they are nothing more than human constructs which change from time to time with cultural and social expectations. Nothing new or wrong in this. Locke was not the final word on rights. 🙂

Ahh yes, I always forget I can’t be anything but super super literal on RiotACT.

I was attempting not to claim that Locke was the last word on rights (he was just the right one haha), I was merely attempting to highlight the fact that these days it appears people claim anything they want to be a ‘right’ without putting any philosophical thought behind it.

peterh 9:39 am 26 Aug 08

ban tobacco.

want me to quit and save the public a truckload of health money?

ban tobacco.

empty the coffers of revenue for the govt?

ban tobacco.

never going to happen?

ban tobacco.

Danman 9:38 am 26 Aug 08

So many laws on what is already a legal drug.

If it did not create such revenue from excise it would have been outlawed eons ago.

Smokers are the modern day leper – either fully legalise tobacco and all associons with tobacco or outlaw it completely.

Its stupid to legalise something with so many pre-requisitive conditions.

For the record – yes I am a smoker – but more social than regular, mostly on weekends with beer in hand… but I also ride some 120km a week so I do care about my health – just stuck in the vicehold that = beer and cigarettes. Can go a whole week or 2 without – then soon as I have a yes just one beer, its all over.

Sammy 9:33 am 26 Aug 08

what’s the next target for the do-gooders?

I dunno, I guess they’ll just have to move down to the next entry in the “Enormous cost to the public purse” list.

Sammy 9:32 am 26 Aug 08

Firstly, I agree that cigarettes should not be on display. If they’re on display, then they’re being promoted. That’s what a display is.

However, Ross Solly this morning commented that it really couldn’t be that hard for shop owners to just shove the cigarettes under the counter, as if every small supermarket has a massive amount of free space under their counters that was left there ‘just in case’.

I’d say it’s pretty easily achievable for the majority of larger supermarkets though. My local Coles already keeps their cigarettes under the counter at the service counter, as I believe almost all large chains do.

Mr Evil 9:31 am 26 Aug 08

And once cigarettes are finally gone for good – what’s the next target for the do-gooders?

pelican 9:23 am 26 Aug 08

If we are to get serious about smoking then this is a good idea but no idea is good in isolation if the goal is to reduce the numbers of young people taking up smoking.

As for rights – they are nothing more than human constructs which change from time to time with cultural and social expectations. Nothing new or wrong in this. Locke was not the final word on rights. 🙂

jakez 9:14 am 26 Aug 08

“They really should be standing up for the health rights of children to not have to be exposed to tobacco advertising in the form of displays every time they go in and out of a shop.”

…You know I didn’t come across that particular right when I was reading Locke. I musn’t have been paying attention.

I’d put up some platitudes about how we are heading towards a nanny state but…I’m pretty sure we are already there anyway.

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