Black Boxes for ACT Police Cars!

johnboy 3 May 2006 11

AAP (via Yahoo) have a story in which AFP Commission Mick Keelty announces plans to install black boxes in ACT Police cars to protect the public and the police.

Australian Federal Police commissioner Mick Keelty says the boxes will help investigations after police pursuits and car accidents involving police cars.

Is it a little odd that the Chief Police Officer wasn’t making this announcement? Or does the boss get as much media as possible?

UPDATED: As I was posting this Ari sent in the following:

All ACT police cars will be fitted with black-box recorders to log speed and location, AFP Commissioner Mick Keelty reckons.

Such a system would have been extremely useful in investigations over Clea Rose’s death.

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11 Responses to Black Boxes for ACT Police Cars!
Maelinar Maelinar 8:33 am 04 May 06

Thumper, the Yanks turned it off several years ago.

About the same time that GPS became a little more mainstream and started being used for such things as building construction etc (aka where errors involved lengthy court battles).

There are several reasons why they turned it off:

1. GPS devices were smarter, and polled repetitively to find the incorrect information so the device could automatically rule it out.

2. A zealot with a rocket launcher firing his rocket at a building will still probably hit it, regardless of what the GPS anomoly says.

Thumper Thumper 8:16 am 04 May 06

Then I stand corrected on point one, but point two I am not so sure about.

Thanks Caf.

caf caf 11:52 pm 03 May 06

I happen to have been doing some work in this general area lately (vehicle location services), so let me address a few things:

– speed from a GPS device isn’t an average, it’s an instantaneous measure calculated from the satellite time offsets in the same way that position and altitude are calculated. (Think Doppler shift, although it’s not that exactly). It’s likely to be more accurate than a speedo, depending on the reception conditions.

– the inbuilt inaccuracy (“Selective Availability”) is no longer activated in the general case. The US still maintains the capability to turn SA on within particular geographical areas. Civilian differential GPS can get down to around 20cm accuracy.

Thumper Thumper 9:48 pm 03 May 06

Although I applaud what appears to be a step in the right direction frankly it is a waste of time. As JB said GPS systems are very rough at the best.

It may be okay when an aircraft is doing 400kph but at 60 klicks the system will fail miserably.

Of course, you all know that GPS systems have an inbuilt unreliability factor because of their military use.

This has political stunt written all over it and as such, as I stated, it will be of no use whatsoever.

However, I am willing to be corrected if that may be the case.

johnboy johnboy 9:04 pm 03 May 06

Interesting the minister seems to have been blindsided by this too.

keelty is kicking a lot of cans in the ACT today.

johnboy johnboy 8:52 pm 03 May 06

GPS is taking, at best, averages.

I think for this to work you’d need full input from all the car controls.

for example you’d want to know exactly how fast the car was going at a particular moment AND was it the brake or the accelerator being applied.

Pickle Pickle 7:32 pm 03 May 06

Your speeed is just other data that a GPS produces automatically. No connection to the speedo required.

Ari Ari 11:03 am 03 May 06

We’ve already got GPS in plenty of vehicles (those magic smart buses, for example) and it’s surely not all that hard to continuously record GPS coordinates along with additional data on speed coming from the speedo.

That’s all Keelty seems to be talking about.

johnboy johnboy 10:55 am 03 May 06

So the commissioner is blowing smoke?

TAD TAD 10:49 am 03 May 06

Intersting… completely untrue but interesting.
On board computers are a good 5-10 years off let alone the “black boxes” to go with them.

As for being useful in pursuits, it still wouldn’t stop poindexters swearing that the police car and the pursued car are closer and faster than they really were.

Mr Evil Mr Evil 10:43 am 03 May 06

“Such a system would have been extremely useful in investigations over Clea Rose’s death.”

…..unless it was malfunctioning or unservicable.

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