9 April 2012

Canberra Air Disaster

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On the 8th of April 2012, myself along with a small group of friends headed up to the Canberra Air Disaster Memorial we wanted to see if we saw any paranormal activity. We arrived at roughly 9pm at night, there were two other NSW P plater cars at the gate, discussing whether we would go through the gate or go home.

One person from the NSW cars recognised me from school and told us that it would be a 90 minute walk to the site. They left shortly after.

Two of our party stayed back at our cars because they were superstitious, we arrived at the memorial site after walking for 25-30 minutes and taking a wrong turn at the fork in the road, heading into the bush (we quickly realised that it was not right and retracted our steps) arriving at the memorial site we looked around and headed back unsatisfied, the two girls rang us on a mobile phone to tell us that a security guard had arrived and wanted to speak to us. Walking along the road next to the paintball center, looking at the meche fence, there were lots of cuts in it as if people were trying to cut through it, and at the beginning of the road, 50m from the main gate, there was a hole cut through the fence. None of these were from us.

We walked back to the cars and were told to stand against one car by a security guard with a German Shepard, he then asked us if we knew that we were trespassing on Government land, this was the first any of us had heard about it belonging to anyone. He threatened to call the police to charge us with trespassing.

Speaking up, i asked who it belonged to. The security guard shun his torch in my eyes and told me that it now belonged to the Australian Army and had for quite some time. He continued to ask us for our details and who owned the cars to hand over to the police in case of any report of vandalism. He told us that this was our only warning and if he saw us again we would be arrested and charged. Curious, i asked how long he would keep our details in his phone, he told me that he would keep them for a long time.

I told him that there are no signs stating that this land belongs to anyone, and another member of my group stated that it was not stated on any website on the internet. The security guard could not explain why they had not been updated. I apologised on behalf of myself and my friends for trespassing that we did not know that it belonged to the government, that he could be sure that he would never see any of us again and that we would pass on this information to anyone who spoke of heading up to the memorial site to see the paranormal activity. The security guard told us to leave and that he was now going to check for damages.

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TheDancingDjinn said :

I don’t know about anyone else, but i remember there being a huge no trespassing sign on that gate that closed off ADM – unless some punks stole it of course. Its a plae known for people getting up to no good, and for people getting hurt, they don’t allow people up there at night becasue they don’t want to have to pay you when your stupid ass hurts yourself in the dark becasue a noise scared you.
I’ve lost a friend up there many years ago – bad driving and stupid teenage boys looking for ghosts and when they couldn’t find them, they got bored and did something very stupid and killed our friend. It’s becasue of dickheads like this who make it so the government has to hire security to tell you to bugger off, he was doing his job, you are not supposed to be up there during the night.

Well I heard that once apon a time a friend of my cousin twice removed uncles step sister once had a hairdresser who said that her sister had a friend that was killed crossing the road so I think we should outlaw that also.

TheDancingDjinn said :

All of you saying the kids had a right to be there? your the ones who scream about your tax dollars being wasted on “public art” – want it going into the pockets of these kids becasue they chose to be stupid and go play in a pitch black forrest at night in the middle of nowhere, when SES has to come help them, or have to search them, or when mum and dad sue to get compo for baby’s injuries. – how bad will you scream then?

quick!!! Break open the cotton wool!!! What, exactly is your point? That ‘kids’ shouldn’t be allowed out at night; in case they get into trouble and require SES rescue? Yes… Walking in a small forest at night CAN be THAT dangerous… Huh? Wha…?

Now this brings back memories….surviving Air Disaster at night was a big thing when I was about 17, a good few years ago…let’s just say over 20 years.

You could drive right up to the memorial, get completely freaked out by seeing lights through the trees when there shouldn’t have been lights in the trees, then the race was on to see who could leave the fastest whilst screaming the loudest.

Yep, nothing like the good ol’ days. Fancy kids these days wanting some good ol’ fashioned country fun in the city!

p1 said :

PBO said :

….and there is also the “training area that does not exist” in that vicinity….

Hmmm, I’ve only seen the training areas that do exist. What does the one that doesn’t exist look like?

It’s where they keep the black helicopters.

But don’t tell anyone.

Ahhh, righto then, jolly good […taps side of nose and winks knowingly….]

Could be an AFP “Trainig Village” out there too?

TheDancingDjinn12:08 pm 10 Apr 12

TheDancingDjinn said :

I don’t know about anyone else, but i remember there being a huge no trespassing sign on that gate that closed off ADM – unless some punks stole it of course. Its a plae known for people getting up to no good, and for people getting hurt, they don’t allow people up there at night becasue they don’t want to have to pay you when your stupid ass hurts yourself in the dark becasue a noise scared you.
I’ve lost a friend up there many years ago – bad driving and stupid teenage boys looking for ghosts and when they couldn’t find them, they got bored and did something very stupid and killed our friend. It’s becasue of dickheads like this who make it so the government has to hire security to tell you to bugger off, he was doing his job, you are not supposed to be up there during the night.

All of you saying the kids had a right to be there? your the ones who scream about your tax dollars being wasted on “public art” – want it going into the pockets of these kids becasue they chose to be stupid and go play in a pitch black forrest at night in the middle of nowhere, when SES has to come help them, or have to search them, or when mum and dad sue to get compo for baby’s injuries. – how bad will you scream then?

TheDancingDjinn12:05 pm 10 Apr 12

I don’t know about anyone else, but i remember there being a huge no trespassing sign on that gate that closed off ADM – unless some punks stole it of course. Its a plae known for people getting up to no good, and for people getting hurt, they don’t allow people up there at night becasue they don’t want to have to pay you when your stupid ass hurts yourself in the dark becasue a noise scared you.
I’ve lost a friend up there many years ago – bad driving and stupid teenage boys looking for ghosts and when they couldn’t find them, they got bored and did something very stupid and killed our friend. It’s becasue of dickheads like this who make it so the government has to hire security to tell you to bugger off, he was doing his job, you are not supposed to be up there during the night.

p1 said :

PBO said :

That area is pretty much surrounded by Defence type establishments/areas and the Army have exercises running regularly around there and there is also the “training area that does not exist” in that vicinity which would have armed/dogged guards patrolling it on a regular basis.

So he was well within his rights to stop and question you as you would seem very suspicious as there is no realistic need for you to be there at night.

Hmmm, I’ve only seen the training areas that do exist. What does the one that doesn’t exist look like?

Couldnt say, there was a guard blocking my view saying that there is nothing to see here.

However, isnt it behind the transport industries skills centre? It has been discussed on this site before.

“arriving at the memorial site we looked around and headed back unsatisfied”

I’m disapointed at this seemingly relaxed attitude to searching for paranormal activity. Did anyone break out a ouija board or the like? Next time take Lawrence Leung and get the job done properly

Captain RAAF said :

Ok, how many peeps would like me to head out there and park my car at the entrance to the gate at around 9pm, and just stand by the gate and await the security guard. I’ll have my video camera and ‘other items’ (not weapons or illegal) for if he gets uppity with me.

JB, will you post the video for all to see?

+1

+2 Always up for entertainment at other people’s expense.

PBO said :

That area is pretty much surrounded by Defence type establishments/areas and the Army have exercises running regularly around there and there is also the “training area that does not exist” in that vicinity which would have armed/dogged guards patrolling it on a regular basis.

So he was well within his rights to stop and question you as you would seem very suspicious as there is no realistic need for you to be there at night.

Hmmm, I’ve only seen the training areas that do exist. What does the one that doesn’t exist look like?

Captain RAAF11:12 am 10 Apr 12

PBO said :

That area is pretty much surrounded by Defence type establishments/areas and the Army have exercises running regularly around there and there is also the “training area that does not exist” in that vicinity which would have armed/dogged guards patrolling it on a regular basis.

So he was well within his rights to stop and question you as you would seem very suspicious as there is no realistic need for you to be there at night.

lol, that’s hilarious!

That area is pretty much surrounded by Defence type establishments/areas and the Army have exercises running regularly around there and there is also the “training area that does not exist” in that vicinity which would have armed/dogged guards patrolling it on a regular basis.

So he was well within his rights to stop and question you as you would seem very suspicious as there is no realistic need for you to be there at night.

Captain RAAF8:46 am 10 Apr 12

Ok, how many peeps would like me to head out there and park my car at the entrance to the gate at around 9pm, and just stand by the gate and await the security guard. I’ll have my video camera and ‘other items’ (not weapons or illegal) for if he gets uppity with me.

JB, will you post the video for all to see?

colourful sydney racing identity8:31 am 10 Apr 12

johnboy said :

paintball fields have security problems you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy!

Accusation of shenanigans cheerfully withdrawn.

colourful sydney racing identity8:29 am 10 Apr 12

I call shenanigans. Why would a security guard be there?

paintball fields have security problems you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy!

The best way to deal with over-excited security guards is to ignore them, then if they get into your face advise them that you will be calling the police and pressing charges if they touch you.

c_c said :

Did you not see the same stories confirm that private security would remain in place for bases until threat assessments suggested AFP should take over and provide armed protection?.

Stop grasping at straws. Where the OP indicated they walked (“Walking along the road next to the paintball center, looking at the meche fence”) is in the forest, which is public land (see TAMS website). Not the paint ball lease (fenced off with ~12ft fencing and hessian), not the speedway(with steep berms to climb) and not the Army training grounds (fenced off with ~10ft chain fencing – and clearly marked). The security officer was clearly over-stepping his mark. Being seen there as a physical presence/deterrent would have been perfectly adequate. Also – the “fence” for the forest is low, easily cleared and from memory, the gate is a step-through gate for easy walking access.

That being said – clearly the signage for the start point and walk could be more clearly marked (especially with commercially and militarily significant locations literally next door). The ADM is a little difficult to find with some of the recent changes to the tracks out there. I have gone out there very late at night/early morning on occasion to do some night photography, and often bump into other walkers. The whole area has an eerie quality (though I ain’t afraid of no ghosts).

I don’t think anybody has the right to suspect these kids of being up to anything more than what was stated. A bunch of 17/18YO are not young kids, and 9pm is hardly an inappropriate time to be out for someone of that age. Not every young person is a miscreant, and there are enough who are real trouble to keep legitimate law-keepers busy enough…

GardeningGirl7:59 pm 09 Apr 12

Muttsybignuts said :

So a bunch of kids head out to the Air disaster memorial to see if they can see some ghosts. Half of Canberra did it in their teenage years. A wanker security guard gets off on harassing the kids because he can.

I guess I was in the other half.
I honestly don’t know if the poster and her friends were just out for some juvenile but harmless silliness and the guard overreacted or if the poster and her friends were displaying potential for trouble and the guard did exactly what he is paid to do, but I think it is sad that having read one side of the story there are people who have made up their minds to be outraged. Like I said, in this case I honestly don’t know, but in general I’m glad there are guards keeping an eye on things in a location where a thoughtlessly abandoned camp fire could cause a bushfire or where some joker with a laser could interfere with airport operations. If people remembered where to draw the line with their fun so it doesn’t cause problems for other people perhaps our community wouldn’t be so full of guards and locks and cctv’s and so on.

steele_blade said :

Surely if it’s army property the army can keep it secure; why would they be using a civil security company?

Did you not see news stories just weeks ago about armed AFP taking over security at Holsworthy?

Did you not see the same stories confirm that private security would remain in place for bases until threat assessments suggested AFP should take over and provide armed protection?

Did you not see the many stories over the past 3 years about how Australian military bases use unarmed, private security, in light of the plot against Holsworthy?

This was all literally front page news.

steele_blade6:58 pm 09 Apr 12

I would look a little further than the security company, though. I hardly think the Australian Army would be happy with a security guard (or someone dressed as one) pretending to represent them. Surely if it’s army property the army can keep it secure; why would they be using a civil security company?

This is completely wrong. A lot of defence assets are secured by private companies. You will often see a van with dog kennel patrolling ADFA and Duntroon. TNT used to man the gate at our biggest Naval dockyard, not naval police.

Was this the entrance with the locked gate?

If so, those signs (behind the fire danger one) state that it is defence land and restricted.

Without looking too hard, I’m guessing you security guys belong to this company

http://www.leadersecurity.com.au/blog/articles/leader-nabs-15-intruders-in-the-pines.html

Given they have dogs and patrol the neighboring premises.

c_c said :

Put it this way, would you break the lock on the AWM after hours to get a look?

It’s no different to walking down Anzac parade and having a look at the memorials there.

The air disaster memorial is only shut to vehicle access, and it’s shut to public vehicle access all the time. These kids did nothing wrong, not a thing.

c_c said :

You do realise many memorials in Australian cities are closed after hours. And those that aren’t are frequent targets for vandals. Even some that close still get vandalised like the War Memorial in Melbourne.

Put it this way, would you break the lock on the AWM after hours to get a look?

That may be true, but there is a big difference. The fact that the War Memorial is closed after hours is obvious because I’d have to break in to get in! If there’s nothing except a little gate I can walk around, I will assume it isn’t closed. Even if there’s a sign to say I can’t enter, I might think about complying with its request, but under the circumstances, I’m with the OP.

I would look a little further than the security company, though. I hardly think the Australian Army would be happy with a security guard (or someone dressed as one) pretending to represent them. Surely if it’s army property the army can keep it secure; why would they be using a civil security company? And in case there’s any continuing thoughts about it belonging to the army, they might want to take that up with TAMS, as they’re claiming it belongs to them here.

Also, both Monument Australia and the National Capital Authority encourage visitors, although the NCA suggests you should call for the key to gain vehicular access. There is no indication of hours when this is appropriate.

So, whether or not you want to complain to the security company (who may or may not really employ the bloke you encountered), it may be worth warning the army that there is some drongo out there dressing like a security guard and claiming he works for them, and also go visiting the site on another night, with a key for the gate so you can drive to the top and save yourself the walk!

Muttsybignuts4:06 pm 09 Apr 12

So a bunch of kids head out to the Air disaster memorial to see if they can see some ghosts. Half of Canberra did it in their teenage years. A wanker security guard gets off on harassing the kids because he can.
And c_c you just sound like a horrible boorish wanker. Were you the security guard?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd4:03 pm 09 Apr 12

Did OP say they broke a lock?
anyone can visit anything like this at anytime they choose. Same with forests, lookouts, etc etc.

And lol yes, i imagine the penis of a *security guard* has been rejected from the police several times and now has a chip on his shoulder.

6matt9 said :

It is a memorial! People are allowed to go there.

You do realise many memorials in Australian cities are closed after hours. And those that aren’t are frequent targets for vandals. Even some that close still get vandalised like the War Memorial in Melbourne.

Put it this way, would you break the lock on the AWM after hours to get a look?

staminaman62 said :

I potentially could’ve had HIM charged with illegal detention.

Nice that we live in an era when every tool who’s seen a courtroom scene on TV thinks he knows the law.

Firstly, it’s called “False imprisonment”

Secondly, it requires a total restraint of the persons freedom, which isn’t the case here.

Thirdly, it’s not false imprisonment where a lawful excuse exists. A lawful excuse would be detaining people on suspicion of committing or planning to commit a crime.

It’s certainly not defence land. ACT government maybe.

Well by default, it’s either Commonwealth or ACT Government land, there’s no “unowned” land anywhere in Canberra. The only question is what agency within those two has direct control.

Sandman said :

c_c said :

They weren’t after vehicle access, they parked at the gate and walked. There are plenty of places in Canberra where you are allowed to walk but not allowed to drive.

Point isn’t that, point is they claimed not to know anyone owned it. The search result clearly states ACT Forests controls vehicle access, so it’s safe to assume they control/own that area.

In any case I pity the OP. If the most exciting thing you can think to do at 9pm is go into a dark forrest looking for ghosts, not only aren’t you very intelligent, you’re obviously not normal. Or perhaps they would like to come clean about why a bunch of them were really sneaking out there.

dazzab said :

I was told earlier in the week by a security guard that I couldn’t photograph one of the buildings in the Brindabella Business Park from Pialligo Rd. Yeah right.

When I asked why, after taking the photos mind you, I was told that the Australian Defence Force had offices in the building. No fence, no sign, on a major public road and this guy tells me I can’t take photos.

Now here is someone with a genuine complaint, one that happens often. Security guards and Police overstepping the mark trying to block photography and filming.

There are no laws against photographing buildings and people in public places. Even photographing private property is fine so long as you don’t enter the property beyond any implied licence.

There are certain areas where the law specifically is written to prevent photography, such as sensitive installations like Pine Gap.

Sounds to me like a cyclone in a thimble.

GardeningGirl2:24 pm 09 Apr 12

I agree there’s people who put on a uniform and get carried away with their own importance. I met one once when I had to go back into my office building after hours to get something I’d forgotten. The simple identification procedure at the front desk turned into a big finger-wagging lecture. Jeez, I simply forgot something and no I can’t do without it till Monday, I’ll be out of here in five minutes!
HOWEVER, I’m an old lady and there are things that people used to do with no reservations that I certainly wouldn’t do any more because the stupid behaviour of a proportion of the community has ruined it for everyone else. I used to play tennis at the school courts and walk home between the buildings without giving it a thought, now I won’t go near school buildings after hours because of the vandals and/or the guards/police looking for the vandals. I used to walk the track between Civic and the TAFE without giving it a thought, now I don’t go to Glebe Park unless I’ve figured out when’s a good time to visit when plenty of other people will be there, safety in numbers and all that. I’ve walked around the sequoia plantation near the airport, but the last time I was there I couldn’t jump back in the car fast enough because of all the rubbish and broken bottles and I haven’t gone back. As for memorials and people’s right to visit them, how many people (especially young enough to be on P plates) really know or care what that memorial is for? Even the bushfire memorial at Stromlo, about an event which is surely still vivid in Canberrans’ hearts, has been vandalised. So perhaps this particular poster and her friends were only after a bit of harmless spooky fun, but if kids lurking in dark out of the way places raises suspicions ask yourselves WHY? Instead of complaining about security guards complain about the people who are spoiling things for you and me and everybody!

I wonder how many times his cop application got knocked back?

I was told earlier in the week by a security guard that I couldn’t photograph one of the buildings in the Brindabella Business Park from Pialligo Rd. Yeah right.

When I asked why, after taking the photos mind you, I was told that the Australian Defence Force had offices in the building. No fence, no sign, on a major public road and this guy tells me I can’t take photos.

I guess in this case there was a locked gate so it’s a bit different, but if someone is going to give me a hard time like this I want some more information as to why and I’ll be the one calling the Police thank you very much.

Oh, for those of you who want to join me in some civil disobedience, just stick your mobile out the car next time you drive by this building and take a photo of it. Menaces to society that we are all.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dburkey/6904003922/

c_c said :

Grow up kids.

No! YOU grow up 😛

c_c said :

And you lied to the security guard too, because one of the first results on Google is for an NCA guide stating ACT Forests should be contacted for vehicle access.
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They weren’t after vehicle access, they parked at the gate and walked. There are plenty of places in Canberra where you are allowed to walk but not allowed to drive.

It’s not suprising that vehicle access is closed to that area. I remember many a time as a young adult buying old cheap cars with a few weeks rego left and heading out there for a night of spirited dirt driving ( And before anyone pisses and moans about it, we never left the cars there, we never got above the speed limit, and we had 2 way radio’s and spotters to warn of any other traffic.)
Other visitors however, preferred stolen cars and torching them once they no longer ran or were finished with them.

The unfenced area (some 54Ha) is part of ACT Government land (Commercial Pine Plantation). Fairbairn Pines are part of Kowen Forest and are still open to “informal use”… Information on use of these areas can be found here on TAMS website

The area you described walking along is all in public land.

If you remember the details of the guard (ie company he worked for etc), I’d be contacting them and making an official complaint – and possibly the police (it shouldn’t be too hard to work out which company is licensed with dogs – then finding this tool should be easy). Whilst that is Government land – it is also public land – so long as you did not leave the forest. The Paintball area is probably leased off the Commonwealth and would be off limits; as would the speedway (the oval just off Pialligo Ave) and Military training land (unforested to the west of forest), but the path from Pialligo Ave to the memorial is publicly accessible – it is not fenced off, but has barricades (such as the locked gate) to prevent unauthorised vehicle access (perhaps to protect the investment in the timber?).

Sounds like the guard was simply a power hungry tool – who will remain so until someone reins him in… that’s where people like you come in… make a complaint, and possibly, once you know the company etc, report the harassment to the police. Even if the police had been called; all they could do is ask you to leave. Honestly, some people get a uniform on and think it is a cloak of invincibility…

@c_c – Zzzzzzzz…Could you be any more of a boring do-gooder!? It is a memorial! People are allowed to go there. As for druggies coming up with the term ‘paranormal activiity’ I think you’ll find the most likely scenario is they’ve watched a few too many films including one called Paranormal Activity.

If everyone was like you we’d all be at home in bed by 8:30pm and taking crap from power hungry security goons. You need to get out more and have some fun. Don’t be so serious…jeez.

I’d report the guard too. But then you’d have to tell the security firm that you were going “up to the Canberra Air Disaster Memorial we wanted to see if we saw any paranormal activity”. Then they’d wet themselves laughing at you, just like everybody else does…

Just to add; would it not have been hysterically funny to have had advance warning of this “event”? To go up to the memorial with a few ghetto blasters with “Theme from Suspiria” by Golblin on, a few tins of luminous paint, and some sheets?

I bet dry cleaners would make a fortune out of the “brown pants” epidemic following that.

Instant Mash10:49 am 09 Apr 12

I don’t get why these toy cops always have such a bad attitude. A mistake was made; fair enough. That’s no reason to come on with the “I can have you arrested for trespassing” straight away. They should really have the decency to listen before they threaten.

fabforty said :

Sooooooo….. the locked metal gate across the road wasn’t enough to give you the hint that you weren’t allowed to go up that way ? Once you decided to leave your car and walk past the gate – you were trespassing. Doesn’t matter who owns the land and no-one owes you an explanation.

Do you honestly believe that? You do know there is a locked gate at every National Park and play ground, memorial, cemetery, lake side and parkland area in the ACT, and only a very few have restrictions on visiting them at night.

I would report the guard to te police if I was genuinely concerned about his behavior.

fabforty said :

Sooooooo….. the locked metal gate across the road wasn’t enough to give you the hint that you weren’t allowed to go up that way ? Once you decided to leave your car and walk past the gate – you were trespassing. Doesn’t matter who owns the land and no-one owes you an explanation.

You’re a douche.

Does that mean you can’t enter Stromlo Forest, or Black Mountain Ridge, how about the Brindabella’s?

I think you will find that the security guard was more there for the paint ball complex and flexing some Burger King muscles because he had nothing else to do at the time.

At the end of the day, it is a forest with a memorial in it.

Clown Killer10:03 am 09 Apr 12

“Sooooooo….. the locked metal gate across the road wasn’t enough to give you the hint that you weren’t allowed to go up that way ? Once you decided to leave your car and walk past the gate – you were trespassing. Doesn’t matter who owns the land and no-one owes you an explanation.”

In the absence of a well posted sign to the contrary, the only possibly conclusion you could draw from the presence of a gate was that vehicle access was restricted. Nothing suggests that pedestrian access is restricted.

This simply looks like some jumped-up little arse-monkey taking a power trip. If you know the security company that the loser worked for give them a call on Tuesday and ask about lodging a formal complaint, also ask if there’s an industry representative body with which you can lodge a formal complaint and if you’ve got the time and you’re on a roll lodge a complaint with the ACT Government (from recollection that land is managed by ACT Forests) that last one should be a complaint about the security people they hire – they don’t and they’ll try to get out of it by telling you that, but you need to persist so this becomes an issue about this company purporting to act on behalf of the ACT Government, while I think about it, do the same with the Department of Defence – the goal here is to get as many officials and beauracrats contacting the security firm with a ‘please explain’ that they simply sack the prick. Think of what you’re doing as a community service.

On the 8th of April 2012, myself along with a small group of friends headed up to the Canberra Air Disaster Memorial we wanted to see if we saw any paranormal activity. Two of our party stayed back at our cars because they were superstitious

Utter gold, you couldn’t make crap like that up if you tried.

You should get a job writing Scooby Doo episdes.

So Scooby the security guard ghost was really the janitor?”

“Dang those pesky kids!”

“there were two other NSW P Plater cars at the gate”

You lost the adults at that point

Sooooooo….. the locked metal gate across the road wasn’t enough to give you the hint that you weren’t allowed to go up that way ? Once you decided to leave your car and walk past the gate – you were trespassing. Doesn’t matter who owns the land and no-one owes you an explanation.

They told you it’d take 90 mins and you arrived in 25-30 after getting lost?!

“…to see if we saw any paranormal activity.”

And you missed it entirely. That “security guard” was obviously an ectoplasmic manifestation sent from Beyond. So was his dog.

He may well have implanted some ectoplasm in you. Remember that a sore anus is a sure sign of supernatural jiggery-pokery–particularly the pokery part.

If I were you, I’d rush on down to my iridologist for a homeopathic prescription to protect you against demonic possession. Your local Catholic Priest may also be able to help.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd8:49 am 09 Apr 12

Dont listen to c_c. Your only mistake was giving your personal information to the guard. I would have told him where to go. They have zero power to request that sort of information and they have zero power to detain you, hell they cannot even lay one finger on you.

If you were doing nothing more than looking around then you should have just told him that and left.

I would be ringing whatever company he was working for and make sure your personal information is deleted.

staminaman627:45 am 09 Apr 12

c_c said :

“Paranormal activity” – Sounds like something the druggies from Canberra College would come up with.

To be honest, I don’t see any problem with what the security guard did, except perhaps his tone was a bit abrasive. But when it’s night time and you’re outnumbered in the middle of nowhere, I’d be abrasive too.

There is no reasonable reason for you to be there at 9.00pm.

To be honest, I have a huge problem with what the security guard did. If there are no signs warning of trespassing perhaps they had every right to be there. The German shepherd, the threat to call the police, shining a torch in someone’s eye, WTF? This is Australia, not East Germany or the Soviet Union.

If there is a memorial there then that certainly implies the public can enter and have a look. If it had been me, I would’ve called the security goon’s bluff and called the police myself. I potentially could’ve had HIM charged with illegal detention.

BTW, what gives you the right to say they had no reasonable reason to be there at 9.00pm? I reserve the right to walk out my front door at any time of the day or night I feel like. Or should I check with you first to make sure my excursion is ‘reasonable’ in your eyes?

Grow up.

“Paranormal activity” – Sounds like something the druggies from Canberra College would come up with.

To be honest, I don’t see any problem with what the security guard did, except perhaps his tone was a bit abrasive. But when it’s night time and you’re outnumbered in the middle of nowhere, I’d be abrasive too.

There is no reasonable reason for you to be there at 9pm. Given that the memorial has a long history of being a place young people vandalise and hold drunk parties, along with illegal dumping, I’m frankly glad to see someone is keeping an eye on it.

Had I seen a bunch of P-plated cars heading towards the memorial, I would have called the Police myself.

“I told him that there are no signs stating that this land belongs to anyone, and another member of my group stated that it was not stated on any website on the internet.”

And you lied to the security guard too, because one of the first results on Google is for an NCA guide stating ACT Forests should be contacted for vehicle access.

Even if you didn’t know specifically, it’s just silly to think it isn’t owned by anyone. It’s a memorial, on ACT land, in a forrest, near a Defence Establishment and an Airport. Safe bet someone owns it.

Grow up kids.

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