Canberra Carp-Out 2012

Disinformation said :

Chop71 said :

lol, mystery weight. Just so happens to be the exact weight of the fish that Jo Blogs catches who really wants the boat and is best mates with the guy running the comp.

Except that the boat is a raffle.

According to the website, the boat is the prize for a mystery weight carp. The raffle is for a kayak.

bigfeet said :

Bramina said :

Carp are pretty hardy. As I recall, the original carp were brought here wrapped in peat or moss or something for the 18 month voyage.

I think you will find it was fish eggs and ova transported in moss, not actual live fish.

I guess that sounds more reasonable.

p1 said :

chewy14 said :

Malteser said :

I’m surprised they don’t have a prize for biggest haul of carp. Considering the aim of the competition is to rid the lake of them….

Probably because someone would bring carp they’d caught weeks ago down and claim the prize. Pretty easy to keep live carp in a pond.

Damn, now what am I going to do with the Carp in my breeding program?

Actually, someone told me that a previous winner for the heaviest carp was some bloke who had caught a whopper a few weeks before, kept it in his freezer til comp day and handed it in for judging. Sneaky!

Chop71 said :

lol, mystery weight. Just so happens to be the exact weight of the fish that Jo Blogs catches who really wants the boat and is best mates with the guy running the comp.

Except that the boat is a raffle.

chewy14 said :

Malteser said :

I’m surprised they don’t have a prize for biggest haul of carp. Considering the aim of the competition is to rid the lake of them….

Probably because someone would bring carp they’d caught weeks ago down and claim the prize. Pretty easy to keep live carp in a pond.

Damn, now what am I going to do with the Carp in my breeding program?

Malteser said :

Chop71 said :

lol, mystery weight. Just so happens to be the exact weight of the fish that Jo Blogs catches who really wants the boat and is best mates with the guy running the comp.

I’ll be there on the weekend, I was going into the competition with high hopes for the boat but now you’ve dashed these :-p

I’m surprised they don’t have a prize for biggest haul of carp. Considering the aim of the competition is to rid the lake of them….

Probably because someone would bring carp they’d caught weeks ago down and claim the prize. Pretty easy to keep live carp in a pond.

Chop71 said :

lol, mystery weight. Just so happens to be the exact weight of the fish that Jo Blogs catches who really wants the boat and is best mates with the guy running the comp.

I’ll be there on the weekend, I was going into the competition with high hopes for the boat but now you’ve dashed these :-p

I’m surprised they don’t have a prize for biggest haul of carp. Considering the aim of the competition is to rid the lake of them….

Jim Jones said :

Yeah, but because of the whole global warming thing, nobody has to believe anything ‘sciencey’ anymore and we can go back to urban myths and ingrained prejudice as the primary source of information about the world.

We stopped doing that?

Disinformation said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

Are’nt fish meant to have bad memories ? – was that ever proven, or was it just something people said – i remember hearing it as a child though…

No. That’s just one of those stupid “facts” that are paraded without any proof, like “Daddy longlegs have the most toxic venom, but their fangs are too small to do any damage”.

Anyone who has fish will know that they eventually associate certain things with food.

A few years ago, some schoolkid in Adelaide proved that goldfish can remember that a flashing light meant food up to three months later.

Awesome – learn a new thing everyday 😀

I looked up the daddy longlegs thing recently, to show mum that the “fact” was in fact false – Turns out they do have a venom, but its not super deadly – it will kill other spiders not becasue the venom is strong, but becasue the daddy longlegs is a super fast spider and can fight a bit better, and get a few more bites in than its enemy. – I thought that info was pretty interestig – they’re like Bruce Lee in spiders lol

lol, mystery weight. Just so happens to be the exact weight of the fish that Jo Blogs catches who really wants the boat and is best mates with the guy running the comp.

Disinformation said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

Are’nt fish meant to have bad memories ? – was that ever proven, or was it just something people said – i remember hearing it as a child though…

No. That’s just one of those stupid “facts” that are paraded without any proof, like “Daddy longlegs have the most toxic venom, but their fangs are too small to do any damage”.

Anyone who has fish will know that they eventually associate certain things with food.

A few years ago, some schoolkid in Adelaide proved that goldfish can remember that a flashing light meant food up to three months later.

Yeah, but because of the whole global warming thing, nobody has to believe anything ‘sciencey’ anymore and we can go back to urban myths and ingrained prejudice as the primary source of information about the world.

Ah well, at least with carp vs fishermen no one can complain that its not an equal contest of intelligence.

TheDancingDjinn said :

Are’nt fish meant to have bad memories ? – was that ever proven, or was it just something people said – i remember hearing it as a child though…

No. That’s just one of those stupid “facts” that are paraded without any proof, like “Daddy longlegs have the most toxic venom, but their fangs are too small to do any damage”.

Anyone who has fish will know that they eventually associate certain things with food.

A few years ago, some schoolkid in Adelaide proved that goldfish can remember that a flashing light meant food up to three months later.

Shame they didn’t 100% drain the lakes a couple of months ago. They could have killed all the carp, and the lakes would be full again by now to be restocked with 100% native fish (which I always thought should be protected from casual hunting just like platypus’ and koalas.

Are’nt fish meant to have bad memories ? …

Yes, memories of being caught all the time!

Bramina said :

Carp are pretty hardy. As I recall, the original carp were brought here wrapped in peat or moss or something for the 18 month voyage.

I think you will find it was fish eggs and ova transported in moss, not actual live fish.

I hope the fish eggs weren’t battery farmed

Carp are pretty hardy. As I recall, the original carp were brought here wrapped in peat or moss or something for the 18 month voyage.

Disinformation said :

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

Oddly enough, there are huge carp in the UK that have been caught individually several hundred times. Over years of being hunted on artificial bait. Not just one, but several examples of this exist.
They’re well known in the carp fishing community.
If it were such a traumatic thing, you’d start to wonder why these carp kept taking artificial bait. Most animals very quickly form associations with negative events.
Science still says that fish with different mouth structures have few nerve endings in some of them too.

Are’nt fish meant to have bad memories ? – was that ever proven, or was it just something people said – i remember hearing it as a child though…

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

Oddly enough, there are huge carp in the UK that have been caught individually several hundred times. Over years of being hunted on artificial bait. Not just one, but several examples of this exist.
They’re well known in the carp fishing community.
If it were such a traumatic thing, you’d start to wonder why these carp kept taking artificial bait. Most animals very quickly form associations with negative events.
Science still says that fish with different mouth structures have few nerve endings in some of them too.

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

I actually can’t handle fishing for this reason – i have even had weird dreams where huge hooks have shot through my roof and dragged me by my face into the ocean to drown. It can’t be too fun being a fish – or a chicken in a cage for that matter (or really any animal that isnt treated well)