Canberra Carp-Out 2012

Disinformation said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

Are’nt fish meant to have bad memories ? – was that ever proven, or was it just something people said – i remember hearing it as a child though…

No. That’s just one of those stupid “facts” that are paraded without any proof, like “Daddy longlegs have the most toxic venom, but their fangs are too small to do any damage”.

Anyone who has fish will know that they eventually associate certain things with food.

A few years ago, some schoolkid in Adelaide proved that goldfish can remember that a flashing light meant food up to three months later.

Yeah, but because of the whole global warming thing, nobody has to believe anything ‘sciencey’ anymore and we can go back to urban myths and ingrained prejudice as the primary source of information about the world.

Ah well, at least with carp vs fishermen no one can complain that its not an equal contest of intelligence.

TheDancingDjinn said :

Are’nt fish meant to have bad memories ? – was that ever proven, or was it just something people said – i remember hearing it as a child though…

No. That’s just one of those stupid “facts” that are paraded without any proof, like “Daddy longlegs have the most toxic venom, but their fangs are too small to do any damage”.

Anyone who has fish will know that they eventually associate certain things with food.

A few years ago, some schoolkid in Adelaide proved that goldfish can remember that a flashing light meant food up to three months later.

Shame they didn’t 100% drain the lakes a couple of months ago. They could have killed all the carp, and the lakes would be full again by now to be restocked with 100% native fish (which I always thought should be protected from casual hunting just like platypus’ and koalas.

Are’nt fish meant to have bad memories ? …

Yes, memories of being caught all the time!

Bramina said :

Carp are pretty hardy. As I recall, the original carp were brought here wrapped in peat or moss or something for the 18 month voyage.

I think you will find it was fish eggs and ova transported in moss, not actual live fish.

I hope the fish eggs weren’t battery farmed

Carp are pretty hardy. As I recall, the original carp were brought here wrapped in peat or moss or something for the 18 month voyage.

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mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

Oddly enough, there are huge carp in the UK that have been caught individually several hundred times. Over years of being hunted on artificial bait. Not just one, but several examples of this exist.
They’re well known in the carp fishing community.
If it were such a traumatic thing, you’d start to wonder why these carp kept taking artificial bait. Most animals very quickly form associations with negative events.
Science still says that fish with different mouth structures have few nerve endings in some of them too.

Are’nt fish meant to have bad memories ? – was that ever proven, or was it just something people said – i remember hearing it as a child though…

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

Oddly enough, there are huge carp in the UK that have been caught individually several hundred times. Over years of being hunted on artificial bait. Not just one, but several examples of this exist.
They’re well known in the carp fishing community.
If it were such a traumatic thing, you’d start to wonder why these carp kept taking artificial bait. Most animals very quickly form associations with negative events.
Science still says that fish with different mouth structures have few nerve endings in some of them too.

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

I actually can’t handle fishing for this reason – i have even had weird dreams where huge hooks have shot through my roof and dragged me by my face into the ocean to drown. It can’t be too fun being a fish – or a chicken in a cage for that matter (or really any animal that isnt treated well)

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

My cat is a female – will this make the outcome different?

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

Yes yes yes. The death of a wild animal at the hands of someone who is hunting or fishing is almost certainly painful. But every living thing dies eventually.

If it wasn’t caught on a hookand killed, that fish would have eventually become too old and weak to forage for its food and it would have starved to death or been eaten alive by a predator. Or if it was a predatory species, it wouldn’t have been able to savagely attack and eat its prey alive, thus becoming weak and eventually itself being eaten alive etc etc.

Wild animals, including fish, don’t end up in the Old Wild Animal Folks Rest Home, where they peacefully see out the autumns of their lives. They generally die horribly, through starvation and being eaten alive by insects, birds etc.

The whole business of “be wonderful to all living things because we must never hurt anything” is foolish and fallacious. It shows no respect to the creatures that we share the planet with, and whom most of us kill (directly or indirectly) in order to eat and survive ourselves.

Errm… has the E. Coli from Quangers cleared yet?

I for one would be reluctant to partake in a fish’n’faeces festival.

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

You should send a letter to the editor about this. It’s an outrage!

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

Bit of a one trick pony aren’t you, Mike? In this case it doesn’t matter if the bloody things feel pain, they are pests and are destroying our lakes and rivers as ecosystems for native species. The more dead carp, the better.

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

Ohhhh gawd………

mos said :

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

You’ve been fishing with Captain RAAF…

The science is pretty well in – fish (carp) DO feel pain. Catching a fish by putting a hook in his mouth and dragging him through the water then onto the land is exactly equivalent to putting a hook through the face of your cat, dragging him across the lawn then sticking him into a bucket of water – whether you hold him there long enough to drown him or remove the hook and let him out.

Redfin? there’s still some of those left in the swamp?

Lets hope the Egg Activists don’t get a hold of this one. Imagine the uproar of the carp first being taken from it’s native habitat and introduced to this foreign lake (just like the African slaves) only to then be brutally fished from the lake using sharp hooks and told that they are no longer welcome there.