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Canberra Selling ourselves short.

Nukezone 22 September 2008 78

Has anyone walked through the new shopping center at Civic since it has opened? Im going to assume that most of you have been there at least once already. Let me start by saying that The Dendy Cinema is good. Well the Cinema itself is good as in the decour and the seats and picture and sound quality. That is about it folks.

I must say unfortunately the usual clones that seem to populate the shopping malls and major centers of Canberra have already moved in and set up camp in the new mall.What am I refering to by clones you ask? I mean the guys in the pink shirts with the stylised hair,  and the “vote for pedro” shirts too. Im talking about the same bunch of pop culture zombies you find at Mooseheads and Academy two nights a week People I am talking about the girls wearing the same telly tubby color co-ordinated t-shirts and pants that loiter around the horrible cheap tasteless clothes stores selling overpriced horrid fashion. I mean the kids that sponge money off their parents, and are allergic to books and the truth.

The new Shopping area is one massive long stretch of the worst kind of third rate commercialism. Its capitalism for the Australian Idol/Big Brother Pink shirt guy/Vote for pedro shirt wearing cretins.

I mean we had a chance to do something different, but now big business has moved in and taken over another section of Canberras economy. I would feel comforted to know that I’m not the only person slightly concerned with whats happening to Canberra.


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rosie_bubz rosie_bubz 11:10 am 27 Sep 08

if you dont like it there you dont have to shop there.
im sure there are plenty of shops throughout canberra that are more suited to your taste.

Nukezone Nukezone 12:50 pm 26 Sep 08

bd84 said :

People who write posts like these have way too much time on their hands.

Wow commercialism and capitalists are the root of all evil and people wearing colourful clothes bought from said commercial stores are satan’s spawn. Welcome to the real world, if you don’t like it crawl back into your box and sit in the darkness, there you won’t be able to see the clothes you dislike people wearing or go to the shopping centres that have all sorts of commercial going-ons that sell said clothes. I suppose they could have tried building a rollercoaster on the site, stopping along the way for people to disembark for some good old-fashioned small businesses who of course could afford to fund the ride. Otherwise it could be still a nice lovely carpark full of petrol guzzling brightly bland coloured vehicles. Oh we can never win..

Welcome to the real world?

You simple minded peon.

The world is what we make it, but I suppose you don’t really want to believe that we deserve better. You might be a drone and not care about anything but the truth is self evident and people like you are never remembered. Enjoy mediocraty and your mundane existence. If you dont stand for something you are nothing.

AngryHenry AngryHenry 3:00 pm 25 Sep 08

Overheard said :

@ AngryHenry. That’s quite a spray, which is an effective metaphor since ‘spray’ goes in all directions with little purpose or direction.

Who are you addressing, sunshine? The original poster? If so, then I probably agree with you, and since it’s your first say-so on this thread, that’s a fair assumption (a word you used yourself).

However, as so oft been said on this site, ‘Assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups’.

Yes your assumptions were correct. It was directed at the poster.

Having said that I hope I have clarified some direction to what you have defined as a spray. I’m glad you agree! :o)

The purpose was to make the poster think twice before judging others.

The direction is it p*sses me off when people sh*t on other people for having a lifestyle different to theirs, be it alternative, mainstream, goth, whatever!

peterh peterh 3:22 pm 24 Sep 08

but then, i was a trolley boy there back in the day. nothing better to spend my money on until the pub opened.

peterh peterh 3:20 pm 24 Sep 08

tylersmayhem said :

I would have thought Intencity went to s**t because of the better games and tech. available on home consoles. If I want a game of two, I’d much rather play a couple of hits on a PS2 or 3 then pay high prices for non-classic s**t games with monitors that have shadowing and buttons that don’t work. I thinh tech. is to blame for Intencity – not demographics.

If Intencity got rid of all the non-classic crap and put in a floorspace full of classic pinball, cocktail cabinet and stand up classics – I’d be in there all the time.

was at the superkarts at mitchell yesterday for a team building exercise (insert run each other off the track here) they have a few of the good pinnies and a couple of games that I hadn’t seen in years – afterburner for example.

Belco mall had timeout. wasted a lot of time and money in there.

Granny Granny 3:19 pm 24 Sep 08

I will always have a soft spot for Belconnen Mall, as I have spent half my summers hanging out there with my kids because we couldn’t afford air conditioning at home.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 3:11 pm 24 Sep 08

I would have thought Intencity went to s**t because of the better games and tech. available on home consoles. If I want a game of two, I’d much rather play a couple of hits on a PS2 or 3 then pay high prices for non-classic s**t games with monitors that have shadowing and buttons that don’t work. I thinh tech. is to blame for Intencity – not demographics.

If Intencity got rid of all the non-classic crap and put in a floorspace full of classic pinball, cocktail cabinet and stand up classics – I’d be in there all the time.

peterh peterh 2:49 pm 24 Sep 08

Pandy said :

I reject the idea that I am in the low to middle income earners bracket when I waltz thru Belco Mall.

belco mall is the same as the smaller malls in canberra. remember when intencity was a really big deal, there was an applecentre, etc, etc? Belconnen is trying to change the demographic, but there will be stiff resistance. Most of the shoppers go there for essentials – groceries, clothes etc. They weren’t in a position to support an intencity, which is why it was radically reduced. They couldn’t support an applecentre, which is why it closed.

Now, they are getting a resurgence in popularity, but there aren’t many boutique stores – it is mainly catering to the market that was originally identified by pre westfield staff.

Woden is slightly different, but it’s main differentiators are the presence of Harvey Norman and David Jones.

The applecentre there was far more successful, but the owner company went under and it had to close. It was more of a boutique shopping centre than the mall.

The canberra centre is full of boutique stores, with less focus on essentials and more on shopping for once off purchases. It now has an apple store, courtesy of Mac1. Only time will tell whether this has been a good gamble by mac1. I studied the demographics of all 3 of these sites for the purposes of establishing applecentres. Tuggeranong was just too difficult, the centre management weren’t prepared to negotiate space.

Woden was the first store we established, but then the belconnen store was established based on the woden success. the demographic was all wrong, and it failed. Canberra centre at the time was too close to mac1 anu.

jakez jakez 2:31 pm 24 Sep 08

Ahh one of the originals like me. I retract my previous statements. I thought I had heard most of the bad things that went down at Hoyts Woden but I guess I was wrong.

…which is pretty concerning when you think about it.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 11:16 am 24 Sep 08

The stoogery you have just mentioned, I can’t deny, particularly towards the end of my tenure. After I left, I heard that Hoyts Woden really went into the crapper. What timeframe are we talking about?

Jakez, firstly I think I;ve come across having a go at you – sorry. I get ruffled feathers talking about the likes of Hoyts. To answer your question (this will quite possibly ruin my anon), I was at Hoyts Woden from before the projection room was even finished.

@Gerry-Built: I love your idea man – get printing 😛 haha

Pandy Pandy 12:31 am 24 Sep 08

I reject the idea that I am in the low to middle income earners bracket when I waltz thru Belco Mall.

peter@home peter@home 11:31 pm 23 Sep 08

I am of the opinion that all malls have been tailored to capitalise on the demographic of the area. Look at the different malls –

Tuggers Hyperdome – aimed at the bogans, the stores aren’t extravagant, they are simple with specific target marketing for the low to mid income earners.

Woden – aimed at the low to mid income earners

Belco Mall – aimed at the low to mid income earners

Canberra centre – apparently aimed at the mid to high income earners, but most high income earners just hop in a plane to melbourne or Sydney. The canberra centre is the largest mall we had, but the DFO gives it a run for its money now.

Canberra centre is filled with boutique shops that I wouldn’t dream of visiting on my normal hunter gatherer trips for the groceries. It is a mall aimed at special purchases, and you feel that it is designed for the shopper that can spend entire days trolling for bargains.

apparently, we are cash rich and don’t mind spending up big in a 3 level shopfest….

I say meh to it all.

really don’t care if it is there or not, but the bunda street area is far darker now it is….

bring back the sun!

Gerry-Built Gerry-Built 9:37 pm 23 Sep 08

tylersmayhem (@ #17):

you may have just coined this seasons newest fashion T-Shirt: “Who is Pedro?” (assuming no-one got there first 😉 )… hmmmmmm, who knows a good t-shirt printer in the ‘berra?

I throw my hat in the “Don’t like it – don’t go” ring…

bd84 bd84 8:45 pm 23 Sep 08

People who write posts like these have way too much time on their hands.

Wow commercialism and capitalists are the root of all evil and people wearing colourful clothes bought from said commercial stores are satan’s spawn. Welcome to the real world, if you don’t like it crawl back into your box and sit in the darkness, there you won’t be able to see the clothes you dislike people wearing or go to the shopping centres that have all sorts of commercial going-ons that sell said clothes. I suppose they could have tried building a rollercoaster on the site, stopping along the way for people to disembark for some good old-fashioned small businesses who of course could afford to fund the ride. Otherwise it could be still a nice lovely carpark full of petrol guzzling brightly bland coloured vehicles. Oh we can never win..

You You 7:51 pm 23 Sep 08

Solution. DON’T SHOP THERE!

Seriously, is it really that hard to figure out?

I’m not one of the supposed people you speak of, in fact I dislike those same carbon copy clothing stores as much as you do, but my solution to the problem is simply to not shop there. People are free to shop wherever the hell they like, and if some of them like those stores then good on them, it’s not like they have any direct influence on me.

jakez jakez 7:00 pm 23 Sep 08

Overheard said :

Actually, jakez, in line with another comment along similar lines above, we’ll have to have you stuffed, mounted and bronzed when you finally kick it. And install a plaque announcing: ‘Well, who would have thunk it: a Liberal with a sense of humour, a bit of balance and a personality!’

I’d make a joke about needing a sense of humour in order to be in the Liberal Party but I’m too afraid of proving justbands right…

justbands said :

Shhhh….don’t tell them. They’ll kick him out of the party!

circusmind circusmind 6:34 pm 23 Sep 08

Overheard said :

Actually, jakez, in line with another comment along similar lines above, we’ll have to have you stuffed, mounted and bronzed when you finally kick it. And install a plaque announcing: ‘Well, who would have thunk it: a Liberal with a sense of humour, a bit of balance and a personality!’

Jakez is one of those friendly small-l liberals, though. God bless them, if only there were more in both parties…..

Nukezone said :

I have no issues with young people, I am in my 20’s.I never mentioned anything about horny kids although you seem to have that on your mind, and I don’t mind dumb people either, as long as they don’t make decisions that affect others. I specified the issues, you sir have missed the point.

I’d suggest that the kids having a good time on the town harm nothing but their own livers and dignity. Likewise the unenlightened shopping centre plebs you hate so much.

Granny Granny 5:10 pm 23 Sep 08

Overheard said :

Oh, you’re going to hate me for this but it’s just factual, not pretentious (moi?!) but between us, the ex and I had five languages, no four languages covered, so we’d watch SBS and predominantly enjoy the films, but also be highly amused at the poetic licence the translators had employed.

I would never resent anyone for being smart and accomplished. I love to see people using their gifts and talents, and I think most people have more than anybody gives them credit for.

Will keep an eye out for those DVDs, thanks.

: )

jakez jakez 4:43 pm 23 Sep 08

Whoa whoa whoa, don’t get me wrong, you’ll note that the things I rebutted are not the things you just said. I’m not going to say Hoyts was a magical land of flowers and rainbows (after all, I no longer work there).

The stoogery you have just mentioned, I can’t deny, particularly towards the end of my tenure. After I left, I heard that Hoyts Woden really went into the crapper. What timeframe are we talking about?

I’ll absolutely agree with you on overtime. You’d have to fight tooth and nail to get that extra pay, it was ridiculous.

Incidentally, I think I’m the one with the theories and you are the one with the facts, lol.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 4:25 pm 23 Sep 08

As for your OUTRAGEOUS (kidding) slurs on my coworkers at Hoyts and Dendy, let me say that the oily teens were never projectionists, the projectionists hardly ever helped on Candy, and when they did they always cleaned up afterwards. They used special gloves upstairs anyway so it’s simply not an issue. Film reels were always put together by the head projectionist, and ads were never spliced into the feature (simply because they are completely separate formats these days let alone reels).

Sorry jakez: these are not outrageous as I too have worked for Hoyts…in Woden – as a projectionist, seen the way film stock was handled (new films splayed all over the dusty floor during make-up, the expectations for the quick turn arounds on the make-up and breakdown of film stock and (I could never comprehend) the splicing of ad’s on to the reel, WHILE THE FEATURED WAS STILL RUNNING! On more than one occasion I saw cowboys make a mistake doing this and causing the film to stop (a common occurrence at Hoyts).

Ad to this the fact the Hoyts paid their full time staff for 8 hours and no more whatsoever. Forget the fact that a shift would start at 3pm, and often the features would not finish until well after 12 midnight. Add to that the “thorough” cleaning of all projectors, help count tills, check that the candy bar was clean…come on man – are you sure you worked there? So to clarify, I usually worked 8.5 hours each day, but only ever got paid for 8 hours. When approached by me, management said “over-time is not our policy”. The fact they ran their films past 12am didn’t seem to matter.

So go ahead and keep trying to debunk my theories my friend, but your facts are not correct!

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