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Car crash in Gungahlin

By cnbragirl 8 February 2011 45

It seems noone who drives along Gungahlin Place in gungahin knows how to give way. This comes from a resident of the street who has near missed numerous cars.

There was an incident today when a small white Hyundai Getz (surpisingly not a P Plater) T-Boned a larger, Toyota of some sort.

Maybe Canberrans should learn how to drive properly as give-ways, and roundabouts around the gungahlin area are absolutely ridiculous.


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Mr Gillespie 9:07 pm 24 Feb 11

Deref said :

Grrrr said :

Dear Canberra drivers: Quit signalling right when you’re going straight through a roundabout!

That’s the law.

Get your facts right. You’re supposed to signal right when you enter a roundabout and left to indicate your exit.

If more people did that there’d be fewer accidents.

Errr how do you signal right if you’re going STRAIGHT AHEAD???

Is there a way of indicating ‘straight ahead’ like you can indicate ‘left’ or ‘right’?????

On the other hand a lot of people fail to indicate when they DO turn (left or right). What difference does a roundabout make (especially a tiny roundabout)???

Davo111 5:10 pm 24 Feb 11

Swidt said :

LOL @ Deref. Seeya mate.

I wish he had replied to say he had read the comments. At least we would know that hes aware of his mistake and would re-read the road rules.

Deref, email johnboy with your details to pass onto me. I’d be happy to sit down with some matchbox cars, and a whiteboard marker and show you the fundamentals of driving, indicating and road position.

Swidt 4:28 pm 24 Feb 11

LOL @ Deref. Seeya mate.

Innovation 5:00 pm 12 Feb 11

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

screaming banshee said :

I think its about time we had regular re-testing to ensure people know the ACTUAL road rules not just the ones they think are right and the ones they think that apply to them.

Absolutely. I’d happily take the test every ten years and feel much safer on the road. I know of two people who drive but have never had a driving test in their life. One bought their first license overseas and the other got a temporary license overseas which was recognised as a full license when they got back. Both are shocking drivers. There must be many more like that.

screaming banshee 4:15 pm 12 Feb 11

Davo111 said :

glad you cleared that up with the second paragraph, because the first sentence is wrong.

Perhaps I should have put more emphasis on the ‘and’ in entry and exit, or added you should always indicate when leaving. I assume that was the issue?

dvaey said :

Happy enough to be corrected on this, but isnt the GDE 80 from Barton Highway to Glenloch? Maybe this is why people get pissed at you for doing 20km/hr under the limit on a long single-lane road, because they want to drive to the signposted limit, not to the limit you think it should be?

Actually at the moment its a 60kph zone from wherever the roadworks starts through to the belconnen way overpass

Davo111 1:26 pm 12 Feb 11

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

then why not re-test all drivers every 10 years for “safety” reasons?

political backlash.

Honestly, i dont think 80% of people over 40 would be able to pass the practical test. For the reason, the test requires you to “physically” look down every side street as your driving. 3 missed side streets = a fail. And you can’t “look” with your eyes either, has to be a head-check, need to be “seen to be looking”

beejay76 12:08 pm 12 Feb 11

amarooresident3 said :

BTW, what makes roundabouts in Gungahlin different from anywhere else?

At the intersection of Gungahlin Place and Anthony Rolfe it’s not a roundabout, but kinda looks like it. I don’t know if this is where the OP was talking about, but it’s a place where I have seen a lot of problems.

The problem in this case is that people use roundabout rules for what is actually an intersection. So, for example, somebody crosses the first part of Anthony Rolfe and is now between the two sections heading westbound on Gungahlin Place. If they think they are in a roundabout, they believe that someone coming up Anthony Rolfe should give way to them (giving way to a vehicle already in a roundabout). But in fact it’s an intersection so the Anthony Rolfe car has right of way.

There’s quite a few of these not-roundabouts in Gungahlin, particularly on Anthony Rolfe.

Rawhide Kid Part3 11:30 am 12 Feb 11

screaming banshee said :

I think its about time we had regular re-testing to ensure people know the ACTUAL road rules not just the ones they think are right and the ones they think that apply to them.

If there is a requirement to have your LPG Tank removed and inspected every 10 years for safety reason, then why not re-test all drivers every 10 years for “safety” reasons?

Ceej1973 2:49 am 12 Feb 11

luther_bendross said :

Just another link to highlight that you do NOT indicate right when going strainght through a roundabout. (Second page of the .pdf, lowest paragraph.)

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/64479/Road_Rules_2011_Part_C2_v2.pdf

My other bug bear is those stupid FORM ONE LANE markings with little-to-no warning. Poor infrastructure like that gives rise to shitty driving, i.e. by not putting the onus on one driver to give way, you’re really inviting accidents.

+1. I really hate it how drivers dont indicate exiting the roundabout, but when the form one lane comes up straight after the roundabout, they indicate they are merging. Well doh, where else are you gonna go in a form one lane? When I am exiting a 2 laned roundabout from the left lane, I want those drivers in the right lane (also exiting straight ahead) TO INDICATE OFF, so I know I am potentially gonna get side swiped, or have some jerk speed up to get past me b4 the form one lane. Or if they dont indicate off, then I know they are exiting to the right when I glance over my right, b4 the form one lane quickly comes up. Its not hard, really!

Davo111 5:06 pm 11 Feb 11

screaming banshee said :

Absolutely it is correct to indicate upon entry and exit….if you are turning.

Think of it like a normal intersection where the only thing different is you indicate left as you leave the ‘intersection’, you don’t constantly indicate right when you are driving through traffic lights and what not.

glad you cleared that up with the second paragraph, because the first sentence is wrong.

Sleaz274 11:19 am 11 Feb 11

Just to link two threads together…namely the motorcyclist licence testing review.

This is why motorcyclists die or get injured on ACT roads, not how many hours they spend weaving through cones at Sutton (although practice practice practice). A complete lack of basic roadcraft and understanding of the road rules by ignorant car drivers safe in their 2 tonne shell. Failure to give way, failure to indicate correctly, failure to headcheck, failure to allow safe stopping distances, failure to pay attention cos you are too busy playing angry birds on your iphone. While cars have airbags and crumple zones to forgive these things most of the time (except your insurance company) motorbikes do not.

caveat for all those who like to pick apart absolutist statements the other reason is inappropriate cornering speed and instinctive survival reactions causing the rider to destabilise the bike. I’ve become far far more aware of possible dangers on the road (deref!!!) since riding the bike every day and have to watch out and expect car drivers to do all those silly things above, and they do.

*yes ms white hyundia getz in braddon I’m referring to you next time you approach a roundabout at least look (with your eyes) to the right, I don’t care if you still wanna try zooming through directly in front of me but I would appreciate knowing that you at least saw me and made a conscious decision to attempt a collision or at least gave yourself a little fright as I plummeted towards your drivers door)*

screaming banshee 10:32 am 11 Feb 11

sepi said :

To be fair, when the road rules were nationalised, there was a tv ad about roundabouts which stated that it was correct to indicate upon entry to the roundabout and exit.

Absolutely it is correct to indicate upon entry and exit….if you are turning.

Think of it like a normal intersection where the only thing different is you indicate left as you leave the ‘intersection’, you don’t constantly indicate right when you are driving through traffic lights and what not.

Genie 10:23 am 11 Feb 11

I’m confused..

I thought when you were driving straight through a roundabout.. you ignore all other drivers around you and continue driving in a straight line through both lanes in the roundabout… or is that just for Ute drivers and people in White Commodores ?

dvaey 10:15 am 11 Feb 11

kezzafezza said :

Another is when I drive on the GDE, people know it is a 60 zone but still get pissed off at and abuse me for driving at 60. They all pass me just after Aranda.

Happy enough to be corrected on this, but isnt the GDE 80 from Barton Highway to Glenloch? Maybe this is why people get pissed at you for doing 20km/hr under the limit on a long single-lane road, because they want to drive to the signposted limit, not to the limit you think it should be?

troll-sniffer 9:18 am 11 Feb 11

Deref said :

Grrrr said :

Dear Canberra drivers: Quit signalling right when you’re going straight through a roundabout!

That’s the law.

Get your facts right. You’re supposed to signal right when you enter a roundabout and left to indicate your exit.

If more people did that there’d be fewer accidents.

There are few things in life more satisfying than seeing a dogmatic poster get his or her come-uppance! Me, I am a dogmatic poster, but at least I normally have a few shreds of credibility inherent in my posts!

sepi 7:05 am 11 Feb 11

To be fair, when the road rules were nationalised, there was a tv ad about roundabouts which stated that it was correct to indicate upon entry to the roundabout and exit. I think this rule was then changed, but no new tv ads were shown. You do often see oldies indicating to enter the roundabout, and I think they are trying to do th right thing.

Time for a new tv explanation of roundabouts I think.

Also lets go back to giving way to the right, instead of whoever gets there first.

Davo111 2:13 pm 10 Feb 11

luther_bendross said :

Just another link to highlight that you do NOT indicate right when going straight through a roundabout.

I really hope Deref re-reads this thread, mega sigh.

I also hope Deref understands that if the people to his left are going straight (at a 4 way roundabout), they will see his indication, pull out, and get t-boned by him – and he would be at fault

luther_bendross 1:35 pm 10 Feb 11

Just another link to highlight that you do NOT indicate right when going strainght through a roundabout. (Second page of the .pdf, lowest paragraph.)

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/64479/Road_Rules_2011_Part_C2_v2.pdf

My other bug bear is those stupid FORM ONE LANE markings with little-to-no warning. Poor infrastructure like that gives rise to shitty driving, i.e. by not putting the onus on one driver to give way, you’re really inviting accidents.

Jim Jones 11:36 am 10 Feb 11

Deref said :

Grrrr said :

Dear Canberra drivers: Quit signalling right when you’re going straight through a roundabout!

That’s the law.

Get your facts right. You’re supposed to signal right when you enter a roundabout and left to indicate your exit.

If more people did that there’d be fewer accidents.

Please hand your drivers license in and never use the roads again!

johnboy 11:07 am 10 Feb 11

People who insist on driving themselves can have passed all the intensive courses.

Considering the costs of car accidents I think you’ll find automation will come on very, very fast when it comes on.

They’ll also potentially remove the need to even have private cars (enthusiasts excepted), just cruising ubiquitous hire pods.

Pay extra if you don’t want to share with others along your route.

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