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johnboy 19 July 2012 96

ACT Policing are investigating a collision in Chifley early this morning, Thursday 19 July.

About 12.50am, police were called to Eggleston Crescent where a white Holden Commodore had collided with a tree.

The vehicle was carrying a driver and three passengers.

Two of the passengers received minor injuries and are being treated at The Canberra Hospital. The other passenger died at the scene.

The driver of the vehicle is currently assisting police with their enquiries.

ACT Policing Crash Investigations and Reconstruction Team are investigating the scene.

This is the sixth person to have died on ACT roads this year.

Anyone who may have witnessed the collision is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via the Crime Stoppers website on www.act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.


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Pillz 10:07 am 30 Jul 12

farnarkler said :

Yep these type of accidents will continue to happen. It’s such a pity when fate decides that the driver survives, stopping much needed cleansing of the gene pool.

Harsh comment, but I understand what you mean. Unfortunately you may not know that the four people travelling in the car were and are all excellent sportsmen in their respective sports and were at a physical peak in their fitness. If Australia ever turns into a post nuclear attack survival of the fittest, these guys would mop the floor with you.

farnarkler 4:32 pm 22 Jul 12

Yep these type of accidents will continue to happen. It’s such a pity when fate decides that the driver survives, stopping much needed cleansing of the gene pool.

LSWCHP 12:43 pm 22 Jul 12

scorpio63 said :

LSWCHP says: The only real solution is to not allow people (particularly males) to drive until their brains reach maturity at around age 25. That’s not going to happen, so I suspect that these tragedies will always be with us.

WOOHOO LSWCHP finally you have made a valid factual point LOL wonders never cease

Glad to be of service.

KB1971 7:47 am 22 Jul 12

Jethro, I guess what I was trying to say was people think they are safe in a car especially at low speeds but you are not. There are so many mittigating circumstances its not funny.

If you look at the ADR’s for occupant protection, all the impact speeds are low. ANCAP has the fastest speed in their own tests & that is 65km/h for a front on test. Motor vehicles are pretty good at protecting you from the front with crumple zones & such but there is no such luxury from the side until recently with airbags.

I imagine the boys in question would all be still alive if they hit that tree with the front of the car, even though it is an old VL but that is hindsight.

KB1971 7:38 am 22 Jul 12

Jethro said :

KB1971 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Sad as all of this is, losing control of a car in a 50km/h zone, whether being chased or not, with enough speed to kill an occupant just smells fishy to me. I’d love to hear the results of the police crash investigation as to the “actual” speed.

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to die in a motor vehicle then.

Speeds as little as 40km/h can produce enough G force for a brain to disintergrate in an impact.

I think it’s more that driving at 50 is unlikely to cause you to lose control of the vehicle in the first place.

True, but say a driver mounted the gutter at 50 without being in a slide or braking (call it lack of attention, no speeding involved), the car then began to slide in the dirt or grass then hits a tree immediately adjascent to the road then the potential is there.

I am not speculating that is what happened here, I am keeping out of that.

When I worked at Rego I was inviolved with a couple of Police investigations where there was a fatal. One guy was killed pulling out of a street in a small car & was hit buy a large car built in the early 70’s. The force of the poor guys head hitting the pillar was enough to kill him.

No different from a king hit then the head hitting the ground. The threshold for head injury is very low.

HenryBG 11:36 pm 21 Jul 12

Tetranitrate said :

So apparently the 3 of them were stealing hubcaps from the cars at one of the car-yards in Phillip.
A security guard happened upon them, they took off and he started driving after them.
Supposedly he gave up the ‘pursuit’ once they sped up heading into Chifley, but drove around a bit in the suburb and flashed his lights at them upon seeing them a little later – they then sped off again and subsequently crashed.
Whether or not the car saw the crash is an open and very important question, since if they did drive past and not render aid, that would be pretty serious.

If the ABC radio presenters had even a hint of journalistic integrity, they’d have asked the important questions:

Why are *YOUR* live-at-home children roaming our town at night causing trouble?
What are you going to do to ensure people can sleep at night without fear of the Midnight Market opening up in their driveway? or hoons burning rubber outside their bedroom windows?

I think these pricks have a hide ringing up the radio stations to have whinge when *they* are the ones who need to be asked, please explain?! about the progeny you have produced.

vg 11:26 pm 21 Jul 12

troll-sniffer said :

bigred said :

Well there is three extra third party claims from one moment in time. No wonder premiums are up.

Why do you need the qualifier ‘in time’? Is there any other sort of moment? Just as bad as the redundancy in ‘at this point in time’ etc. Then again this is a city full of public servants so no surprises that verbiose garbage creeps into the language.

Every city is full of public servants.

Name me one that isn’t

shauno 10:29 pm 21 Jul 12

farnarkler said :

I wonder how a brand new WRX or EVO with all their techno wizardry would’ve dealt with the same situation. The VL’s driving dynamics are archaic compared.

Having owned WRX and STI’s including a 500hp modified version with front a rear LSD and Motec controlled centre diff I can tell you all the traction that these cars give you can be of no help at all in fact more dangerous for a young driver that doesn’t know how to drive these cars on the limit. Because of the amount a grip if you do loose it and get sideways you have to be very quick to catch it because it breaks away at a very high adhesion level. They are actually much more controllable sideways in the wet under power but they also under steer big time. For the less experienced driver they give a false sense of security and ability.

As for the VL commodores they are also a trap for the young experienced they frequently have well worn suspension and can easily get a bit sideways at speed around bends if there are bumps in the road and the driver panics a bit and over corrects ive seen it happen. The young drivers frequently are to much off and on the throttle and have to much aggressive steering input. They are far better off learning on a front wheel drive car and preferably quiet a bit of time on dirt if they really want to learn how to drive safely.

Sandman 9:09 pm 21 Jul 12

KB1971 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Sad as all of this is, losing control of a car in a 50km/h zone, whether being chased or not, with enough speed to kill an occupant just smells fishy to me. I’d love to hear the results of the police crash investigation as to the “actual” speed.

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to die in a motor vehicle then.

Speeds as little as 40km/h can produce enough G force for a brain to disintergrate in an impact.

Yes, but if the speed limit is being observed then by the time you hit something permanent that’s not even on the road you should have washed off most of that speed, even in an archaic old VL.

Tetranitrate 9:00 pm 21 Jul 12

So apparently the 3 of them were stealing hubcaps from the cars at one of the car-yards in Phillip.
A security guard happened upon them, they took off and he started driving after them.
Supposedly he gave up the ‘pursuit’ once they sped up heading into Chifley, but drove around a bit in the suburb and flashed his lights at them upon seeing them a little later – they then sped off again and subsequently crashed.
Whether or not the car saw the crash is an open and very important question, since if they did drive past and not render aid, that would be pretty serious.

Jethro 8:26 pm 21 Jul 12

KB1971 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Sad as all of this is, losing control of a car in a 50km/h zone, whether being chased or not, with enough speed to kill an occupant just smells fishy to me. I’d love to hear the results of the police crash investigation as to the “actual” speed.

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to die in a motor vehicle then.

Speeds as little as 40km/h can produce enough G force for a brain to disintergrate in an impact.

I think it’s more that driving at 50 is unlikely to cause you to lose control of the vehicle in the first place.

Antagonist 8:20 pm 21 Jul 12

KB1971 said :

Speeds as little as 40km/h can produce enough G force for a brain to disintergrate in an impact.

Says the cyclist who thinks banging his fist on the bonnet of car might save his life 😉

KB1971 7:41 pm 21 Jul 12

wildturkeycanoe said :

Sad as all of this is, losing control of a car in a 50km/h zone, whether being chased or not, with enough speed to kill an occupant just smells fishy to me. I’d love to hear the results of the police crash investigation as to the “actual” speed.

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to die in a motor vehicle then.

Speeds as little as 40km/h can produce enough G force for a brain to disintergrate in an impact.

Tool 7:22 pm 21 Jul 12

Speed limits, road rules, passenger number restrictions, education, age of car, yada yada yada. None of these things mean anything if the decision maker chooses to break the law. Despite the great tragedy shit happens and it just did. I am actually surprised this doesn’t happen more often.

wildturkeycanoe 6:26 pm 21 Jul 12

Sad as all of this is, losing control of a car in a 50km/h zone, whether being chased or not, with enough speed to kill an occupant just smells fishy to me. I’d love to hear the results of the police crash investigation as to the “actual” speed.

scorpio63 5:07 pm 21 Jul 12

LSWCHP says: The only real solution is to not allow people (particularly males) to drive until their brains reach maturity at around age 25. That’s not going to happen, so I suspect that these tragedies will always be with us.

WOOHOO LSWCHP finally you have made a valid factual point LOL wonders never cease

scorpio63 3:49 pm 21 Jul 12

c_c4:57 pm, 19 Jul 12

You keep saying “young boy” as if that somehow displaces blame, as if being ‘young’ (and I think 17 is pushing the definition of ‘young boy’) is a defence.

The law recognises someone as criminally responsible long before 17, because by that age even if someone isn’t completely mentally developed, they are considered to have the mental capacity to foresee the consequences of their actions.

You don’t make any progress by just writing it off as young folks being young. You need to call it like it is, young people being stupid and throwing it away.

It is 21years for many males before they think through the consequences of actions CC particularly in relation to driving vehicles while their mental and physical growth is still taking place.

Vehicle incidents along with statistics should be sufficient proof over past years for you, the A.C.T being only one state as an example of ‘youths’ hooning around with their new found independence caused by Government issuing licences far too early.

dungfungus 1:08 pm 21 Jul 12

farnarkler said :

I wonder how a brand new WRX or EVO with all their techno wizardry would’ve dealt with the same situation. The VL’s driving dynamics are archaic compared.

Not many 17year olds can afford a $40k WRX or EVO as their first car and most wouldn’t have one anyway. The bogan’s who hoon around in old Commodores refer to WRXs as “hairdresser’s cars”
On one of the TV news bulletins last night it was reported that the people in the Commodore had been pinching hubcaps/dressrims and one of cars they had targeted was chasing them. Sad outcome.

Holden Caulfield 12:12 pm 21 Jul 12

farnarkler said :

I wonder how a brand new WRX or EVO with all their techno wizardry would’ve dealt with the same situation. The VL’s driving dynamics are archaic compared.

Or any car with a half decent ESC system, regardless of the driven wheels.

Anyway, thoughts to the families affected.

rogerthat 10:52 am 21 Jul 12

farnarkler said :

I think a WRX or EVO would’ve cut power to the wheel(s) that lose traction. These cars don’t let themselves lose control. Even my 8 year old car won’t let me break traction.

I remember when this one happened…

http://the-riotact.com/car-crash-on-majura-ave/7068

thinkng how fast must this idiot have been going on a suburban, 50-60kmh street, in the middle of the night, to lose control so savagely in a car with such impressive steering, braking, handling and control systems.

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