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Correct use of an apostrophe

By Pork Hunt 11 November 2013 26

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For all the grammar Nazis on RiotACT (myself included on occasion), this photo from Bateman’s Bay illustrates the correct use of the apostrophe…

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MrBigEars 8:04 am 13 Nov 13

Deref said :

The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.

Love your work.

astrojax 7:58 am 13 Nov 13

IrishPete said :

Pork Hunt said :

LSWCHP said :

Meconium said :

Porker, the word “myself” is a reflexive pronoun, not a direct object. That means you shouldn’t substitute it with the word “me”, as you did in the sentence above, where you claimed you were a grammar Nazi on occasion.

Example of its use: “I shat myself.” The person administering the defecating is the same person receiving it. Compare with “He shat on me.” Because there are two people involved, you don’t use a reflexive pronoun here. “Myself” can also be used for emphasis, but in this case you need the pronoun that is the subject of the sentence as well.

You could have said “I myself am included in the group of grammar Nazis on RiotACT”, or “I include myself in the group…”, but don’t substitute the word “me” for “myself” indiscriminately, especially when the whole reason for your post was to promote good grammar.

“The person administering the defecating…”. Now there’s a phrase I never thought I’d see on RA. Or anywhere, for that matter. 🙂

As long as it remains an administrative matter, no one should get in the shit I suppose…

If we are talking about manual (well, probably digital) evacuation of bowels, that’s a job for an attractive nurse of whichever gender you prefer…

IP

‘strylya, a land of closed borders and open bowels…

Masquara 9:03 pm 12 Nov 13

Oh except apostrophe Nazism is of course warranted.

Masquara 9:02 pm 12 Nov 13

Meconium said :

Porker, the word “myself” is a reflexive pronoun, not a direct object. That means you shouldn’t substitute it with the word “me”, as you did in the sentence above, where you claimed you were a grammar Nazi on occasion.

Example of its use: “I shat myself.” The person administering the defecating is the same person receiving it. Compare with “He shat on me.” Because there are two people involved, you don’t use a reflexive pronoun here. “Myself” can also be used for emphasis, but in this case you need the pronoun that is the subject of the sentence as well.

You could have said “I myself am included in the group of grammar Nazis on RiotACT”, or “I include myself in the group…”, but don’t substitute the word “me” for “myself” indiscriminately, especially when the whole reason for your post was to promote good grammar.

I think it’s acceptable usage. It’s clearly understood and not ambiguous. Where a more “correct” version would have been tortuous or forced, it’s perfectly fine to step outside the “rules”. Any professional editor will tell you that there should be no hard-and-fast rules, other than the most basic and obvious, applied to English expression.

caf 8:11 pm 12 Nov 13

LSWCHP said :

Meconium said :

Example of its use: “I shat myself.” The person administering the defecating is the same person receiving it.

“The person administering the defecating…”. Now there’s a phrase I never thought I’d see on RA. Or anywhere, for that matter. 🙂

Shouldn’t it be “The person administering the defecation…”?

(I note in passing that Meconium is the most sly of the scatonyms that appear to be curiously popular here).

Pork Hunt 7:18 pm 12 Nov 13

IrishPete said :

Pork Hunt said :

LSWCHP said :

Meconium said :

Porker, the word “myself” is a reflexive pronoun, not a direct object. That means you shouldn’t substitute it with the word “me”, as you did in the sentence above, where you claimed you were a grammar Nazi on occasion.

Example of its use: “I shat myself.” The person administering the defecating is the same person receiving it. Compare with “He shat on me.” Because there are two people involved, you don’t use a reflexive pronoun here. “Myself” can also be used for emphasis, but in this case you need the pronoun that is the subject of the sentence as well.

You could have said “I myself am included in the group of grammar Nazis on RiotACT”, or “I include myself in the group…”, but don’t substitute the word “me” for “myself” indiscriminately, especially when the whole reason for your post was to promote good grammar.

“The person administering the defecating…”. Now there’s a phrase I never thought I’d see on RA. Or anywhere, for that matter. 🙂

As long as it remains an administrative matter, no one should get in the shit I suppose…

If we are talking about manual (well, probably digital) evacuation of bowels, that’s a job for an attractive nurse of whichever gender you prefer…

IP

If this is covered by Medicare or even bulk billed, I’m in..

IrishPete 7:00 pm 12 Nov 13

Pork Hunt said :

LSWCHP said :

Meconium said :

Porker, the word “myself” is a reflexive pronoun, not a direct object. That means you shouldn’t substitute it with the word “me”, as you did in the sentence above, where you claimed you were a grammar Nazi on occasion.

Example of its use: “I shat myself.” The person administering the defecating is the same person receiving it. Compare with “He shat on me.” Because there are two people involved, you don’t use a reflexive pronoun here. “Myself” can also be used for emphasis, but in this case you need the pronoun that is the subject of the sentence as well.

You could have said “I myself am included in the group of grammar Nazis on RiotACT”, or “I include myself in the group…”, but don’t substitute the word “me” for “myself” indiscriminately, especially when the whole reason for your post was to promote good grammar.

“The person administering the defecating…”. Now there’s a phrase I never thought I’d see on RA. Or anywhere, for that matter. 🙂

As long as it remains an administrative matter, no one should get in the shit I suppose…

If we are talking about manual (well, probably digital) evacuation of bowels, that’s a job for an attractive nurse of whichever gender you prefer…

IP

Pork Hunt 5:43 pm 12 Nov 13

LSWCHP said :

Meconium said :

Porker, the word “myself” is a reflexive pronoun, not a direct object. That means you shouldn’t substitute it with the word “me”, as you did in the sentence above, where you claimed you were a grammar Nazi on occasion.

Example of its use: “I shat myself.” The person administering the defecating is the same person receiving it. Compare with “He shat on me.” Because there are two people involved, you don’t use a reflexive pronoun here. “Myself” can also be used for emphasis, but in this case you need the pronoun that is the subject of the sentence as well.

You could have said “I myself am included in the group of grammar Nazis on RiotACT”, or “I include myself in the group…”, but don’t substitute the word “me” for “myself” indiscriminately, especially when the whole reason for your post was to promote good grammar.

“The person administering the defecating…”. Now there’s a phrase I never thought I’d see on RA. Or anywhere, for that matter. 🙂

As long as it remains an administrative matter, no one should get in the shit I suppose…

peitab 1:31 pm 12 Nov 13

IrishPete said :

peitab said :

IrishPete said :

Except that place name standards mean it is Batemans Bay, no apostrophe…

Sorry to be a pedant. OK, not sorry.

IP

I’m not sorry to be a pedant either Irish Pete! … I believe that it’s standard for US place names to have punctuation removed, but I’ve never heard of it happening in Australia.

http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/58843/Guidelines_determination_placenames.pdf

IP

Fair point, although the document does say that apostrophes and hyphens should be avoided, and not that they’re banned altogether. In the US, punctuation cannot be used. *cough pedant cough*

LSWCHP 1:10 pm 12 Nov 13

Meconium said :

Porker, the word “myself” is a reflexive pronoun, not a direct object. That means you shouldn’t substitute it with the word “me”, as you did in the sentence above, where you claimed you were a grammar Nazi on occasion.

Example of its use: “I shat myself.” The person administering the defecating is the same person receiving it. Compare with “He shat on me.” Because there are two people involved, you don’t use a reflexive pronoun here. “Myself” can also be used for emphasis, but in this case you need the pronoun that is the subject of the sentence as well.

You could have said “I myself am included in the group of grammar Nazis on RiotACT”, or “I include myself in the group…”, but don’t substitute the word “me” for “myself” indiscriminately, especially when the whole reason for your post was to promote good grammar.

“The person administering the defecating…”. Now there’s a phrase I never thought I’d see on RA. Or anywhere, for that matter. 🙂

switch 12:42 pm 12 Nov 13

astrojax said :

well said!

one of my pet peeves is office communications misusing ‘myself’ when obviously trying to be ‘proper’, somehow thinking ‘me’ is bogan or something. as in ‘if you are interested, see schannelle or myself on the third floor’

Was it the “myself,” “me,” or “schannelle” that was bogan?

astrojax 12:36 pm 12 Nov 13

Meconium said :

Porker, the word “myself” is a reflexive pronoun, not a direct object. That means you shouldn’t substitute it with the word “me”, as you did in the sentence above, where you claimed you were a grammar Nazi on occasion.

Example of its use: “I shat myself.” The person administering the defecating is the same person receiving it. Compare with “He shat on me.” Because there are two people involved, you don’t use a reflexive pronoun here. “Myself” can also be used for emphasis, but in this case you need the pronoun that is the subject of the sentence as well.

You could have said “I myself am included in the group of grammar Nazis on RiotACT”, or “I include myself in the group…”, but don’t substitute the word “me” for “myself” indiscriminately, especially when the whole reason for your post was to promote good grammar.

well said!

one of my pet peeves is office communications misusing ‘myself’ when obviously trying to be ‘proper’, somehow thinking ‘me’ is bogan or something. as in ‘if you are interested, see schannelle or myself on the third floor’

poetix 12:16 pm 12 Nov 13

IrishPete said :

poetix said :

Or they may be very wealthy greengrocers.

Oh FFS, if you are going to take a dig at someone then at least make it greengrocer’s. I think butcher’s are also frequent offenders. And real estate agent’s.

IP

I wanted to, but I just couldn’t. I am repressed.

IrishPete 11:45 am 12 Nov 13

peitab said :

IrishPete said :

Except that place name standards mean it is Batemans Bay, no apostrophe…

Sorry to be a pedant. OK, not sorry.

IP

I’m not sorry to be a pedant either Irish Pete! … I believe that it’s standard for US place names to have punctuation removed, but I’ve never heard of it happening in Australia.

http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/58843/Guidelines_determination_placenames.pdf

IP

Deref 11:28 am 12 Nov 13

The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.

peitab 11:08 am 12 Nov 13

IrishPete said :

Except that place name standards mean it is Batemans Bay, no apostrophe…

Sorry to be a pedant. OK, not sorry.

IP

I’m not sorry to be a pedant either Irish Pete! … I believe that it’s standard for US place names to have punctuation removed, but I’ve never heard of it happening in Australia.

Roundhead89 10:00 am 12 Nov 13

maxblues said :

Batemans Bay…a great song by Jeff Lang on the ‘hard to find’ Cedar Grove album.

Also the name of a song by Australian band Stylus in 1978. They also had a song called Byron Bay. Their most famous song was their version of Summer Breeze so it’s not hard to see where they were coming from.

IrishPete 9:32 am 12 Nov 13

poetix said :

Or they may be very wealthy greengrocers.

Oh FFS, if you are going to take a dig at someone then at least make it greengrocer’s. I think butcher’s are also frequent offenders. And real estate agent’s.

IP

Instant Mash 12:29 am 12 Nov 13

I’m with Irish Pete on that one.

Masquara 10:26 pm 11 Nov 13

caf said :

It doesn’t go as fast as !

+1

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