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Cotter Road roadworks (rant)

By longshanks 3 July 2013 23

I love the signs that have just gone up near the intersection of Cotter Road and Streeton Drive: “Roadworks commence 8 July, use alternative routes”.

What alternative routes do they have in mind? Hindmarsh Drive is a nightmare in the morning (and the nightmare is transferred to Melrose Drive in the evening). There used to be an alternative route through Lyons/Weston, but then someone decided it would be a good idea to do some roadworks there too, resulting in temporary traffic lights and Heysen St reduced to one lane for 50 metres.

Frankly, I’d rather see a sign that says “Roadworks commence here on 8 July, but whichever route you take you’re stuffed.” At least it would be more honest. Or how about “Yes, we’ve been upgrading Cotter Road for over two years now, and no, it’s not even remotely close to completion. Tell it to someone who cares.” But maybe that’s too honest.

Still, it’ll be nice once it’s finished (in 2015).

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KB1971 11:52 am 04 Jul 13

Whitepointer said :

I agree with some of the previous comments, but some people really have absolutely no understanding of exactly how much work and red tape is involved in a projects like this.
Biggest f#ck up, As always Pedel Power were consulted at preliminary design stage to ensure that all of their requirements have been met, then unfortunately they decide that they wish to make major amendments to a fully approved design already under construction.
The funny thing is that TAMS & Procurement Solutions (both ACT Gov) actually consider, approve & direct the consultants engaged on the project to redesign the previous works, ensuring all points raised are addressed and to the satisfaction of Pedel Power. WTF!!
Mmmm, now that whole process would only take a day or so now wouldn’t it!
Also, remember this is only stage 1of 2 stages.

Really?

You sure about that? Maybe what was being constructed was not what was provided in the design stage hence Pedal Powers protrests? If there were any, the only time I have seen them speak up is when a whole cycle path was excluded from the construction of the Majura Parkway.

Pedal Power also usually release a press statement if they are going to advocate for change & I have not seen anything about this change to the Cotter Road works.

The other thing, Pedal Power are not a government body, they are a group that band together to advocate for cyclists. An added bonus for memebers is insurance and having a voice for individuals who ride bikes.

The government does not have to listen to them and can (and will) do what they want so I doubt “Pedal Power” changed it. The gubmint did when it was pointed out to them.

dpm 11:30 am 04 Jul 13

dtc said :

dpm said :

dtc said :

Thats cos they employ about 5000 workers at a time. Feel free to increase your tax contribution.

I wonder if you tripled the workers and then took 2/3rds off the project time, how that would go with funding?

Well, the main difference is that you have to come up with all of the funding today rather than spread it over 2 or 3 or 5 years. Plus you need to find that many workers available, which (as the mining industry found) can make things costly. Plus machinery etc.

But, based on an overal cost and assuming labour and machinery etc is available and no more expensive, then it shouldnt cost any more in total. However, that assumption will never be true.

Secondly, it means you take out the entire construction site rather than 100m here and then move 100m up the road. Which is fine for a greenfields site, not so fine when you shut down an entire road for 12 months.

Yes, they have lots of sites being upgraded at the same time, leading to lots of disruptions around Canberra (at the same time). This also uses more machinery, as each site seems to have lots of heavy gear that sits idle for long periods of time (in case it is need once a week). I know of one site that had two large diggers sent to it, which have sat idle for at least 4 weeks (no earth has been moved and I’ve never seen any workers using them). Also, each site needs it own work sheds, lunch sheds etc etc…

Say there are Y workers across all sites and it is going to take X years to finish all the work, wouldn’t it potentially be easier for the community to focus on fewer sites (with more workers at each) to get each done quicker, leading to less disruptions?
The overall work at *all* sites would still take Y workers and X years , thus the cost would still be spread over X years too?
Just wondering…. As you said, it wouldn’t work out perfectly, but surely it would be worth a try instead of the current level of hassle everywhere!
My guess is it is because the Govt contracts out each job seperately which leads to these inefficiencies. Anyway….

dtc 10:38 am 04 Jul 13

dpm said :

dtc said :

Thats cos they employ about 5000 workers at a time. Feel free to increase your tax contribution.

I wonder if you tripled the workers and then took 2/3rds off the project time, how that would go with funding?

Well, the main difference is that you have to come up with all of the funding today rather than spread it over 2 or 3 or 5 years. Plus you need to find that many workers available, which (as the mining industry found) can make things costly. Plus machinery etc.

But, based on an overal cost and assuming labour and machinery etc is available and no more expensive, then it shouldnt cost any more in total. However, that assumption will never be true.

Secondly, it means you take out the entire construction site rather than 100m here and then move 100m up the road. Which is fine for a greenfields site, not so fine when you shut down an entire road for 12 months.

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