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Crikey baits the Chief Minister

By caf - 16 July 2007 21

It seems Jon Stanhope’s pronouncements in the wider national political discourse haven’t gone entirely unnoticed beyond these borders. In an article in Friday’s Crikey (sadly not in their online archive), Greg Barns included the following challenge to the Chief Minister:

Well, Mr Rudd has never been known as a champion of human rights and
the concept of fairness in the justice system, so maybe there are some
brave backbenchers such as Tasmanian MP and lawyer Duncan Kerr or even
Shadow A-G Joe Ludwig, who are a little more principled.

No – there’s nothing there. It’s a case of blindly following the
leader on poor Dr Haneef. But maybe we are judging the ALP in haste.

Here’s a challenge – if any ALP federal, state or Territory MPs (ACT
Chief Minister Jon Stanhope springs to mind) think that that to keep
someone locked up without charging them for more than ten days is not
OK, then let Crikey know.

Will Jon rise to the challenge (or, depending on your point of view,
take the bait)? At the time of writing, today’s Crikey hasn’t yet
landed.

What’s Your opinion?


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21 Responses to
Crikey baits the Chief Minister
pierce 1:13 pm 17 Jul 07

Good points Mr Shab – finding out that he gave them the phone on his departure from the UK 11 months before the attack did swing my opinion around on this matter.

Treating terrorist acts as anything other than the crimes that they are (covered largely under the legal system prior to 911) seems a much more sensible approach to this problem.

The Brits did it for decades with the IRA – it puts it into context and strips the act of the politics it wishes for by simply saying “this is a criminal act, you are a criminal”.

Unlimited detention (by loopholes meaning that the questioning period doesn’t have to be consecutive) seems very iffy to me.

Maelinar 12:56 pm 17 Jul 07

I’m working with a heap of Lawyers who are watching this case with interest.

Think about it; A lawyer knows murderers, thieves and even terrorists in the course of their routine day to day duties, as do most trades involving the process of crime.

This case draws the line firmly in the sand – if you even remotely know somebody that conducts a terrorist act, your liberties are going to be denied.

Heaven forbid if JB decides to blow up the Kiama RSL, I’ll talk to you about the merits of civil liberties in the cell beside you Ralph.

Thumper 12:55 pm 17 Jul 07

So, has Sonic put on his best angry sanctimonious voice yet?

Ralph 12:41 pm 17 Jul 07

Given that they charged him with providing a SIM card to terrorists that was later used in a fairly inept attack, I can’t help but feel they’re grasping.

So that makes it ok does it? The intention was there to maim and kill the innocent.

There are any number of very reasonable excuses for giving a SIM card to rellies, especially when leaving the country.

In this case his rellies happen to be a bunch of islamic extremists, so it’s a bit different really isn’t it shab? Indeed it is.

The Feds are going to have the devil’s own time proving intent. They may prove links or even sympathy for the act, but unless they can prove he gave them the card for the express purpose of committing a terrorist act, it’ll fall over in court very quickly.

We will see about that. Personally I prefer the comfort of knowing that the Government is doing all it can to crack down on Islamic extremeists.
Either way this is sending a signal to any other radical Muslims thinking of doing something similar.

Let’s make an example of this bastard and lock him up for as long as it takes.

No point sobbing shab about impingement of civil liberties etc from these terror laws. You and I as law abiding citizens should never have to worry about our civil rights being eroded and being locked up for 48 hours; unless you’re thinking of strapping a bomb to yourself and heading over to Westfield.

Personally I’m happy to surrender some civil freedoms (which as a law abiding citizen will never be violated) if it involes clamping doing on militant Islamics.

Mr_Shab 12:28 pm 17 Jul 07

If they do have more on him, then let them say so – even if it’s just “we have strong circumstantial evidence that Dr Haneef has links to terrorist organisations, but need more time to gather the evidence proper. We can’t release specifics because we don’t want to prejudice the case”, rather than the stony silence we’ve got.

Given that they charged him with providing a SIM card to terrorists that was later used in a fairly inept attack, I can’t help but feel they’re grasping. There are any number of very reasonable excuses for giving a SIM card to rellies, especially when leaving the country. When I left the UK after a stint over there, I gave my mobile away to a friend because it wouldn’t work if I had brought it back home.

The Feds are going to have the devil’s own time proving intent. They may prove links or even sympathy for the act, but unless they can prove he gave them the card for the express purpose of committing a terrorist act, it’ll fall over in court very quickly. If they can’t, it’s just a thought crime and not (yet) illegal.

Regardless of this, the thought of indefinite detention without charge still makes me leery as hell.

Does that make me a Soviet?

Thumper 11:42 am 17 Jul 07

And not surprisingly, the Canberra Times letter writers are all up in arms.

Thumper 11:01 am 17 Jul 07

I would suggest that when it’s all said and done that they have a bit more on this doctor than the media has been told.

chester 10:44 am 17 Jul 07

Ooooooooh best grab some popcorn and find a good spot in the bleachers. I’d hate to miss the Cheap Minister waxing lyrical about human rights and the concept of fairness in the justice system.

neanderthalsis 4:21 pm 16 Jul 07

All the above talk of editing is to blame for my post being littered with typos too, nothing to do with my poor typing skills.

neanderthalsis 4:19 pm 16 Jul 07

Nothing in todays Ckikey, so the machinations of baiting Chairman Stanhope of the People Repulic of Canberra take longer than one weekend.

I do imagine that the will be much public indignation that only a short time after being released on bail, Dr Haneef had his visa cancelled and was bundled off to Villawood.

caf 3:26 pm 16 Jul 07

Done.

Jazz 3:07 pm 16 Jul 07

hmm, seems i cant put it back into edit mode.

email me the rest at tim@the-riotact.com and i’ll append it to the story

caf 2:46 pm 16 Jul 07

Editing our own posts seems to have been disabled for us mere peons (just says “you are not allowed to edit this post”).

Jazz 2:41 pm 16 Jul 07

sorry caf,

just hit edit and finish it off. i was experimenting to see if i could publish something from my phone with the intent of being able to get stories up more quickly. Did we mention we dont need a development site?

caf 2:39 pm 16 Jul 07

Erm… what happened to the rest of it?

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