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Do poor Canberrans drive cars?

By martin75 14 August 2014 54

Two questions about Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey’s recent comment –
“the poor don’t have cars or actually drive very far”

1. How does the Treasurer know how far poor people drive, if they are lucky enough to have a car?

2. Can anyone from the ACT Liberals explain what Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey was trying to say or does he really think like this?

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dungfungus 12:59 pm 18 Aug 14

justin heywood said :

HenryBG said :

justin heywood said :

HenryBG said :

…..they (the IMF) decry the Howard economic shambles as the worst economic performance for many decades.

The IMF said that? Can you link to that Henry?

I could only find this much more measured commentary from that right wing mouthpiece The Conversation (see below)

http://theconversation.com/was-john-howard-really-fiscally-profligate-11601

The only reason you would accept a negative commentary (by a bloke who is not even remotely an economist) about the IMF’s finding that Howard was the cause of the current modest structural issues in the Australian economy is if it suited your ideological bias rather than any quest for genuine knowledge.

OK, thanks Henry, but I asked for a link to your assertion in #46, not a profile of my ‘ideological biases’. I take it that there IS no link to where the IMF actually said what you said it did. Thanks anyway.

Ha ha. A quote from The Conversation?
Their motto “Academic rigour, journalistic flair” says it all.

justin heywood 12:06 pm 18 Aug 14

HenryBG said :

justin heywood said :

HenryBG said :

…..they (the IMF) decry the Howard economic shambles as the worst economic performance for many decades.

The IMF said that? Can you link to that Henry?

I could only find this much more measured commentary from that right wing mouthpiece The Conversation (see below)

http://theconversation.com/was-john-howard-really-fiscally-profligate-11601

The only reason you would accept a negative commentary (by a bloke who is not even remotely an economist) about the IMF’s finding that Howard was the cause of the current modest structural issues in the Australian economy is if it suited your ideological bias rather than any quest for genuine knowledge.

OK, thanks Henry, but I asked for a link to your assertion in #46, not a profile of my ‘ideological biases’. I take it that there IS no link to where the IMF actually said what you said it did. Thanks anyway.

HenryBG 11:21 am 18 Aug 14

justin heywood said :

HenryBG said :

…..they (the IMF) decry the Howard economic shambles as the worst economic performance for many decades.

The IMF said that? Can you link to that Henry?

I could only find this much more measured commentary from that right wing mouthpiece The Conversation (see below)

http://theconversation.com/was-john-howard-really-fiscally-profligate-11601

The only reason you would accept a negative commentary (by a bloke who is not even remotely an economist) about the IMF’s finding that Howard was the cause of the current modest structural issues in the Australian economy is if it suited your ideological bias rather than any quest for genuine knowledge.

dungfungus 4:49 pm 17 Aug 14

justin heywood said :

HenryBG said :

…..they (the IMF) decry the Howard economic shambles as the worst economic performance for many decades.

The IMF said that? Can you link to that Henry?

I could only find this much more measured commentary from that right wing mouthpiece The Conversation (see below)

http://theconversation.com/was-john-howard-really-fiscally-profligate-11601

HenryBG said :

…..deficits are perfectly sustainable, all the more so when they are modest and the level of debt is so very, very modest.

Did anyone apart from me notice when the idea began to appear that deficits were virtually the sign of good economic management?

I did. This particular flavour of Kool Aid began to appear after Swan failed, despite successive promises, to produce a budget surplus. This ‘projected’ surplus had always been trotted out as proof of Swan’s good economic management.

When the projected surplus continued to prove illusory, the idea began to circulate that deficits were also proof of good management. It seemed that no matter what Swan did, he couldn’t lose. If only my bank manager was as enlightened.

Surplus bad. Deficit good.
The RBA and the Treasury, who are independent, have both issued warnings that failure to rein in sovereign debt will have dire consequences down the road. Even Barrie Cassidy on ABC TV Onesiders this morning could see that spending more than we were earning was not sustainable.

justin heywood 12:11 pm 17 Aug 14

HenryBG said :

…..they (the IMF) decry the Howard economic shambles as the worst economic performance for many decades.

The IMF said that? Can you link to that Henry?

I could only find this much more measured commentary from that right wing mouthpiece The Conversation (see below)

http://theconversation.com/was-john-howard-really-fiscally-profligate-11601

HenryBG said :

…..deficits are perfectly sustainable, all the more so when they are modest and the level of debt is so very, very modest.

Did anyone apart from me notice when the idea began to appear that deficits were virtually the sign of good economic management?

I did. This particular flavour of Kool Aid began to appear after Swan failed, despite successive promises, to produce a budget surplus. This ‘projected’ surplus had always been trotted out as proof of Swan’s good economic management.

When the projected surplus continued to prove illusory, the idea began to circulate that deficits were also proof of good management. It seemed that no matter what Swan did, he couldn’t lose. If only my bank manager was as enlightened.

dungfungus 8:04 am 17 Aug 14

HenryBG said :

dungfungus said :

So John, you are totally comfortable with ongoing deficits and increasing debt? If you were you would have voted Labor which means you are in the minority because a majority of Australians can see that what Labor created is unsustainable.

Labor didn’t create anything (except a successful response to the GFC) and the mess Howard created is in fact the issue you are unwittingly talking about.

As far as the IMF goes, they approve the last few years of ALP management, and they decry the Howard economic shambles as the worst economic performance for many decades.

And contrary to the nonsense you are spouting, deficits are perfectly sustainable, all the more so when they are modest and the level of debt is so very, very modest.

Labor didn’t create anything? You are spot on HBG.
I did say in my last past that debt could be serviced as long as we had the means to service it. This could change overnight. That’s when people with your mindset will realize that our “modest” debt will be no longer sustainable.

dungfungus 7:58 am 17 Aug 14

Kim F said :

Chris Bowen shadow treasurer

Thank you Kim!
Bowen is more shadow than treasurer. I think he was the last treasurer in the last government and I believe he promised a budget surplus as well (as Labor treasurers do).

HenryBG 11:25 pm 16 Aug 14

watto23 said :

I’m willing to bet that if the coalition said the money was going to something the greens would approve of, they have no issues with this. .

Oh, poor Tony, nobody will give him a break.

Remember the revolting behaviour he indulged in as Opposition leader?
Chickens: Roost.

Which part of “no new taxes” was a non-core promise, huh?
Do the people who voted Liberal feel like complete prats yet?

HenryBG 11:23 pm 16 Aug 14

dungfungus said :

So John, you are totally comfortable with ongoing deficits and increasing debt? If you were you would have voted Labor which means you are in the minority because a majority of Australians can see that what Labor created is unsustainable.

Labor didn’t create anything (except a successful response to the GFC) and the mess Howard created is in fact the issue you are unwittingly talking about.

As far as the IMF goes, they approve the last few years of ALP management, and they decry the Howard economic shambles as the worst economic performance for many decades.

And contrary to the nonsense you are spouting, deficits are perfectly sustainable, all the more so when they are modest and the level of debt is so very, very modest.

Kim F 11:10 pm 16 Aug 14

Chris Bowen shadow treasurer

watto23 8:17 pm 16 Aug 14

chewy14 said :

JC said :

arescarti42 said :

Zero points for the Greens and Labor as well, who have shown massive hypocrisy by opposing what is also a de facto tax on carbon.

Their objection isn’t too the indexation, their objection is to the fact that the money raised will build more roads, which will lead to more vehicles and pollution. So no hypocrisy when some context is placed around their position.

Oh puhlease, anyone falling for the road “hypothecation” argument must have been born yesterday. The Greens are playing pure politics on this issue, Milne got rolled by the party’s wish to screw Abbott.

chewy14 said :

JC said :

arescarti42 said :

Zero points for the Greens and Labor as well, who have shown massive hypocrisy by opposing what is also a de facto tax on carbon.

Their objection isn’t too the indexation, their objection is to the fact that the money raised will build more roads, which will lead to more vehicles and pollution. So no hypocrisy when some context is placed around their position.

Oh puhlease, anyone falling for the road “hypothecation” argument must have been born yesterday. The Greens are playing pure politics on this issue, Milne got rolled by the party’s wish to screw Abbott.

I’m willing to bet that if the coalition said the money was going to something the greens would approve of, they have no issues with this. But there is a very valid point, raising fuel taxes to build more roads so more cars can use it does have an overall negative effect on the environment, which is right down Greens party line.

miz 7:21 pm 16 Aug 14

Interestingly, the focus on fuel excise and usage demonstrates why light rail is actually a sop for the hipsters in Civic, whereas with the same investment in existing buses you could greatly improve equity of access to those in more far flung areas (as well as Civic), simply by improving buses for everyone.

chewy14 11:18 am 16 Aug 14

JC said :

arescarti42 said :

Zero points for the Greens and Labor as well, who have shown massive hypocrisy by opposing what is also a de facto tax on carbon.

Their objection isn’t too the indexation, their objection is to the fact that the money raised will build more roads, which will lead to more vehicles and pollution. So no hypocrisy when some context is placed around their position.

Oh puhlease, anyone falling for the road “hypothecation” argument must have been born yesterday. The Greens are playing pure politics on this issue, Milne got rolled by the party’s wish to screw Abbott.

dungfungus 10:50 am 16 Aug 14

John Moulis said :

HenryBG said :

dungfungus said :

While Labor and the mavericks in the Senate may think they are very smart in opposing most of Hockey’s budget reforms we haven’t heard a whisper from Labor about their alternative budget plans.
I don’t even know who the shadow treasurer is. Does the opposition actually have one?

Labor was internationally recognised as having very successfully steered this country through the GFC. Their handling of the economy was very good.

By contrast, the new mob have a disastrous budget which is completely dysfunctional due to the large influence of their anti-economical ideology.

All they have is their lie about a non-existent “budget crisis” and a lie about “excessive debt”, both lies that has damaged the Australian economy and has put our credit rating under threat. The international economic reaction to Tony Abbott’s Liberals has been one of dismay and distrust.

As if that weren’t enough, Tony Abbott seizes on MH17 as a form of Thatcherian distraction, spends a few weeks beating his chest and aggravating Putin, the net result of which is an $800million hammerblow on the Australian economy in the form of Russian sanctions against Australian imports. Great work, Tony.
The budget just keeps getting worse.

The Liberals and their cheer squad are starting to reveal the truth about the budget and the economy. Hockey and the Murdoch press trumpeted about a “budget emergency” and that the welfare system is “unsustainable”. Treasury released figures stating that Hockey and the media’s claim of a “Welfare Nation” of 53% of Australians receiving benefits was false. Hockey told Australians there was a “budget emergency” yet told a meeting of business leaders in New Zealand that the Australian budget and economy were in good shape and healthy. Even fringe members of the conservative cheer squad are letting the facade slip. George and Paul on 2UE discuss politics with Dennis Shanahan from The Australian and this morning they bemoaned the fact that “the economy is in good shape but the government can’t get their message across”.

So John, you are totally comfortable with ongoing deficits and increasing debt? If you were you would have voted Labor which means you are in the minority because a majority of Australians can see that what Labor created is unsustainable.
If my household budget continually required more money to spend that I had coming in I would have an emergency as the bailiff would be at my door. As long as Australia can continue to get its people to underwrite sovereign foreign debt then we will survive until we catch up with some other countries that have already defaulted.
Most Canberra people and the ABC media have been cossetted by the Australian taxpayer forever and they have never experienced unemployment, debt, hunger etc. so they simply don’t understand what the ramifications of a “budget emergency” are.

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