Ever greater restrictions on where you can suck down a coffin nail

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Also if you are going to criticise my spelling, maybe you should first L2QUOTE…

Pot, kettle, black.

Blathnat said :

Hey moron,your silly argument could be used for anything. Say like, if you start smoking next to my kids and I make a personnel choice to start reportedly pinching you in the face, you should acomidate that and if you say otherwise its discrimination against me.

Grow up.

I find it funny that for someone who has told me to “grow up” has not only referred to me as a “moron”, and resorted to (to paraphrase) ‘if you smoke near me, I will pinch your face’ (based on the other misspellings I’ll assume you meant “repeatedly”, “punch” and “accommodate”). Yes, good to see we’re all mature intelligent people here on riotact.

But I’ll bite. You are perfectly capable of moving, as are your children. As far as it goes, whoever was there first has ‘right of way’ in my mind. If someone walks up to where I am standing having a smoke, it is their problem, not mine. If I walked up to your family and lit up, then I would be in the wrong (although if you had bothered to read any of my post you would realise that I, and every smoker I know, will attempt to move away from others while we smoke). Oh, and so we’re clear, if you touched me you’d have more problems than a little smoke…

As for us smokers “stinking”, well that is a matter of opinion. Have you ever had to catch a peak-hour bus? There are numerous passengers that reek of sweat, poor hygiene, unbrushed teeth, breakfast foods (a mixture of cereal and stale milk), young children, not to mention the plethora of “ethnic” foods and spices. I find these things far more obnoxious and odorous than smoke, yet if I were to mention to a passenger that they “reeked of spices” I would likely end up in front of a disciplinary committee…

Banning smoking completely will just not work. There is no way of enforcing it in our own homes. That said, with the price of cigarettes these days, our household is going to move on to other natural smokables since it will be cheaper to buy green than tobacco…

BADASS OVER HERE!!!!!

You have not addressed a single point I made. Nice going.

Also if you are going to criticise my spelling, maybe you should first L2QUOTE…

Hey moron,your silly argument could be used for anything. Say like, if you start smoking next to my kids and I make a personnel choice to start reportedly pinching you in the face, you should acomidate that and if you say otherwise its discrimination against me.

Grow up.

I find it funny that for someone who has told me to “grow up” has not only referred to me as a “moron”, and resorted to (to paraphrase) ‘if you smoke near me, I will pinch your face’ (based on the other misspellings I’ll assume you meant “repeatedly”, “punch” and “accommodate”). Yes, good to see we’re all mature intelligent people here on riotact.

But I’ll bite. You are perfectly capable of moving, as are your children. As far as it goes, whoever was there first has ‘right of way’ in my mind. If someone walks up to where I am standing having a smoke, it is their problem, not mine. If I walked up to your family and lit up, then I would be in the wrong (although if you had bothered to read any of my post you would realise that I, and every smoker I know, will attempt to move away from others while we smoke). Oh, and so we’re clear, if you touched me you’d have more problems than a little smoke…

As for us smokers “stinking”, well that is a matter of opinion. Have you ever had to catch a peak-hour bus? There are numerous passengers that reek of sweat, poor hygiene, unbrushed teeth, breakfast foods (a mixture of cereal and stale milk), young children, not to mention the plethora of “ethnic” foods and spices. I find these things far more obnoxious and odorous than smoke, yet if I were to mention to a passenger that they “reeked of spices” I would likely end up in front of a disciplinary committee…

Banning smoking completely will just not work. There is no way of enforcing it in our own homes. That said, with the price of cigarettes these days, our household is going to move on to other natural smokables since it will be cheaper to buy green than tobacco…

Blathnat said :

Hey Katy, why not just ban it completely? Oh, that’s right, because the taxes on tobacco contribute billions to our economy.

And don’t start with that “but smokers cost the healthcare system more”. Do we? Think about it, don’t smokers have shorter life spans? Isn’t one of the major concerns with greater healthcare the fact that we have a aging population and no one to look after them/pay for their medicines?

So tell me this – if I die at age 60, of an incurable disease where I spend 6-8 weeks in hospital, wouldn’t I cost significantly less than someone who lives to the age of 90, but spends the last 10-20 years of their life in and out of hospitals, hospices and care homes? Now, without taking any income tax into account (because you cannot compare a smoker earning 150k/year to a non-smoker living on wellfare apparently) we can see simple facts: Over the course of 40 years, assuming 1 pack of 30s per week and that prices/taxes stay the same as current, I would be paying approximately $22,000 in tax alone, just on cigarettes in my life time. Those who are “pack-a-day” smokers, would pay in excess of $132,000 over that same 40 year period.

Then add to that the correlation between those who smoke, and those who drink on a more frequent basis (and all the lovely taxes involved with a case of beer, of which about $18 per case is tax at the moment). I’m sorry, but in no way, shape or form, can you tell me that a smoker has a larger cost on our healthcare system than a non-smoker.

I’m sorry, but I will continue to smoke outdoors, because well, it’s outdoors. I attempt to move away from groups if I go to have a smoke, but at the same time if I have to accommodate their personal choices, why do they not have to accommodate mine? In fact, wouldn’t this be the most amazing discrimination case?
Think about it, you can’t discriminate based on sex, race, religion or personal beliefs. But God help you if you’re a smoker…

Hey moron,your silly argument could be used for anything. Say like, if you start smoking next to my kids and I make a personnel choice to start reportedly pinching you in the face, you should acomidate that and if you say otherwise its discrimination against me.

Grow up.

As long as she adds in a hefty on the spot fine into the mix as well it shouldn’t be too hard to enforce.

It’s easy – smokers stink and they inflict it on others.

thebrownstreak69 said :

Good to see. I look forward to the day they are banned.

Yep, because banning works so well for other drugs. Not to mention the huge success of prohibition in the US.

Feel better now?

Hey Katy, why not just ban it completely? Oh, that’s right, because the taxes on tobacco contribute billions to our economy.

And don’t start with that “but smokers cost the healthcare system more”. Do we? Think about it, don’t smokers have shorter life spans? Isn’t one of the major concerns with greater healthcare the fact that we have a aging population and no one to look after them/pay for their medicines?

So tell me this – if I die at age 60, of an incurable disease where I spend 6-8 weeks in hospital, wouldn’t I cost significantly less than someone who lives to the age of 90, but spends the last 10-20 years of their life in and out of hospitals, hospices and care homes? Now, without taking any income tax into account (because you cannot compare a smoker earning 150k/year to a non-smoker living on wellfare apparently) we can see simple facts: Over the course of 40 years, assuming 1 pack of 30s per week and that prices/taxes stay the same as current, I would be paying approximately $22,000 in tax alone, just on cigarettes in my life time. Those who are “pack-a-day” smokers, would pay in excess of $132,000 over that same 40 year period.

Then add to that the correlation between those who smoke, and those who drink on a more frequent basis (and all the lovely taxes involved with a case of beer, of which about $18 per case is tax at the moment). I’m sorry, but in no way, shape or form, can you tell me that a smoker has a larger cost on our healthcare system than a non-smoker.

I’m sorry, but I will continue to smoke outdoors, because well, it’s outdoors. I attempt to move away from groups if I go to have a smoke, but at the same time if I have to accommodate their personal choices, why do they not have to accommodate mine? In fact, wouldn’t this be the most amazing discrimination case?
Think about it, you can’t discriminate based on sex, race, religion or personal beliefs. But God help you if you’re a smoker…

Conan of Cooma said :

In case none of you non smokers noticed the cars that drive along side of you kick out MUCH MUCH MORE noxious gas than smokers. Much more. Walter White didn’t get lung cancer from smoking, he got it from being a science teacher and hanging around arsehole kids imbued with car excretions.

Suck it up and stop driving, THEN y’all can whine about the smokers.

Lolz, using an example from a fictional tv show to support your argument……..

MissChief said :

Smokers don’t bother me but I have often wondered why they don’t do more to stop drinking – surely the cause of far more destruction and misery than smoking. If anything is going to be banned, it should be alcohol.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/pregnancy-drinking-harming-hundreds/story-fnet08xa-1226654826593

Because there’s a safe level of drinking and no safe level of smoking.

Besides smokers stink

Rather than create a list of places one can’t smoke, I don’t understand why they don’t just regulate the place one can. Removes the ambiguity and makes much more sense.

Smokers don’t bother me but I have often wondered why they don’t do more to stop drinking – surely the cause of far more destruction and misery than smoking. If anything is going to be banned, it should be alcohol.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/pregnancy-drinking-harming-hundreds/story-fnet08xa-1226654826593

gazket said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Conan of Cooma said :

If smoking is so bad then why don’t they ban it? Oh, they make too much tax? Then why don’t they legalise drugs and tax them too? What’s that? Pollies are illogical? So are people who complain about cigarette smoke!

In case none of you non smokers noticed the cars that drive along side of you kick out MUCH MUCH MORE noxious gas than smokers. Much more. Walter White didn’t get lung cancer from smoking, he got it from being a science teacher and hanging around arsehole kids imbued with car excretions.

Suck it up and stop driving, THEN y’all can whine about the smokers.

Source?

Experiment on your self. Sit in the car for 15 minutes with the widows up and have a few cigarettes. Now hook a hose to the exhaust and run it in the window, start the car. See if you last 15mins.

You don’t not seem to realise how death by cancer and death by carbon monoxide work. Go read a science book.

Conan of Cooma said :

If smoking is so bad then why don’t they ban it? Oh, they make too much tax? Then why don’t they legalise drugs and tax them too? What’s that? Pollies are illogical? So are people who complain about cigarette smoke!

In case none of you non smokers noticed the cars that drive along side of you kick out MUCH MUCH MORE noxious gas than smokers. Much more. Walter White didn’t get lung cancer from smoking, he got it from being a science teacher and hanging around arsehole kids imbued with car excretions.

Suck it up and stop driving, THEN y’all can whine about the smokers.

Thyis argument is ridiculous and the people who spout it are probably the inconsiderate smokers that the considerate smokers should be angry with. Even if the fumes from a car are more toxic in some measure, the difference is most people don’t stand near to car exhaust pipes, cars tend to drive pass and not all cars emit the same level of noxious fumes. If cars were as bad as smoking, you’d expect cancer rates for people who live in the inner city to be up there with smoking, but its not.

I have rarely been at an outdoor cafe and smelt a car exhaust that made me cough or sick. Smokers however used to do this all the time. If cars were as bad, people would want that fixed too, so stop with this ridiculous argument.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Conan of Cooma said :

If smoking is so bad then why don’t they ban it? Oh, they make too much tax? Then why don’t they legalise drugs and tax them too? What’s that? Pollies are illogical? So are people who complain about cigarette smoke!

In case none of you non smokers noticed the cars that drive along side of you kick out MUCH MUCH MORE noxious gas than smokers. Much more. Walter White didn’t get lung cancer from smoking, he got it from being a science teacher and hanging around arsehole kids imbued with car excretions.

Suck it up and stop driving, THEN y’all can whine about the smokers.

Source?

Experiment on your self. Sit in the car for 15 minutes with the widows up and have a few cigarettes. Now hook a hose to the exhaust and run it in the window, start the car. See if you last 15mins.

Jungle Jim said :

You’d have to assume that the East Row and the rest of the City interchange will probably need to have time considerations. If you can’t smoke inside the pub and you can’t smoke outside the pub, what’s one to do?

I’m sure there are still a LOT of smokers who frequent the Phoenix who’ll either happily break this law during the night or, if taken to the extreme, unhappily stop going to the bar. This outcome might work for those who are adamant that smoking is the devils own invention (and probably raped your father), but it might not work so well for the bottom line of the bar.

Looks like I started rambling there – must be time for a smoke.

One could always go out the back into Verity Lane although you gotta watch out for the plod driving past

Conan of Cooma said :

If smoking is so bad then why don’t they ban it? Oh, they make too much tax? Then why don’t they legalise drugs and tax them too? What’s that? Pollies are illogical? So are people who complain about cigarette smoke!

In case none of you non smokers noticed the cars that drive along side of you kick out MUCH MUCH MORE noxious gas than smokers. Much more. Walter White didn’t get lung cancer from smoking, he got it from being a science teacher and hanging around arsehole kids imbued with car excretions.

Suck it up and stop driving, THEN y’all can whine about the smokers.

Yes mate, cars are worse than cigarettes. You make a lot of sense.

Conan of Cooma said :

If smoking is so bad then why don’t they ban it? Oh, they make too much tax?

Incorrect to start with.

It is not currently affordable to ban smoking (and therefore lose the tax $$$ generated) as the health costs of smoking will continue to have an effect on our hospital systems for decades after the ban. I believe an estimate was 30 years, should smoking be banned immediately.

If anything, if we’re talking about the economics of the situation, cigarette taxes are more likely to continue to go through the roof so that the taxes generated continue to rise or at least are maintained even as the rate of smoking is reduced, such that the ever decreasing minority of idiots that choose to smoke will still be able to subsidise a decent proportion of the health costs which current and former smokers burden our health system with.

Eventually you’ll get to a point where so many people have been priced out of the smoking market that the number of people who will be a burden on the system in the future will be minimal and a complete ban could be brought in.

Conan of Cooma said :

If smoking is so bad then why don’t they ban it? Oh, they make too much tax? Then why don’t they legalise drugs and tax them too? What’s that? Pollies are illogical? So are people who complain about cigarette smoke!

In case none of you non smokers noticed the cars that drive along side of you kick out MUCH MUCH MORE noxious gas than smokers. Much more. Walter White didn’t get lung cancer from smoking, he got it from being a science teacher and hanging around arsehole kids imbued with car excretions.

Suck it up and stop driving, THEN y’all can whine about the smokers.

Awwwwwwwwwww poor Conan.

Conan of Cooma said :

If smoking is so bad then why don’t they ban it? Oh, they make too much tax? Then why don’t they legalise drugs and tax them too? What’s that? Pollies are illogical? So are people who complain about cigarette smoke!

In case none of you non smokers noticed the cars that drive along side of you kick out MUCH MUCH MORE noxious gas than smokers. Much more. Walter White didn’t get lung cancer from smoking, he got it from being a science teacher and hanging around arsehole kids imbued with car excretions.

Suck it up and stop driving, THEN y’all can whine about the smokers.

Source?

If smoking is so bad then why don’t they ban it? Oh, they make too much tax? Then why don’t they legalise drugs and tax them too? What’s that? Pollies are illogical? So are people who complain about cigarette smoke!

In case none of you non smokers noticed the cars that drive along side of you kick out MUCH MUCH MORE noxious gas than smokers. Much more. Walter White didn’t get lung cancer from smoking, he got it from being a science teacher and hanging around arsehole kids imbued with car excretions.

Suck it up and stop driving, THEN y’all can whine about the smokers.

Object in the picture is a water fountain. 🙁

Ile dart up where ever I like thanks

I thought it was already illegal to smoke in most of these places. It’s already become instinct to me to move away from doorways and groups of people when I want a smoke, how hard is it to be a little respectful?

Good luck moving people on from smoking outside the Phoenix.

I’ll be right though, I’ll still be puffing on my e-cig.

Watson said :

HiddenDragon said :

can’t believe that smoking has come back in to fashion with kids who should be smart enough to know better.

You really don’t get why?

No, so enlighten (absolutely no pun intended) me, and anyone else who bothers to read this.

The ACT Government wants to ban smoking at playgrounds, jails, public swimming pools, sporting fields, bus interchanges and university campuses in a bid to prevent the harmful effects of second hand smoke and to “de-normalise” tobacco use.

Jails? Good luck with that one!!

HiddenDragon said :

can’t believe that smoking has come back in to fashion with kids who should be smart enough to know better.

You really don’t get why?

Good to see. I look forward to the day they are banned.

You’d have to assume that the East Row and the rest of the City interchange will probably need to have time considerations. If you can’t smoke inside the pub and you can’t smoke outside the pub, what’s one to do?

I’m sure there are still a LOT of smokers who frequent the Phoenix who’ll either happily break this law during the night or, if taken to the extreme, unhappily stop going to the bar. This outcome might work for those who are adamant that smoking is the devils own invention (and probably raped your father), but it might not work so well for the bottom line of the bar.

Looks like I started rambling there – must be time for a smoke.

Genie said :

Yes please !

There’s nothing worse than waiting in the bus interchange and not being able to find a spot to breathe in fresh air.

I understand it’s your choice to smoke and you want to be able to smoke everywhere, but a little respect for this who DON’T want to smoke.

Enforcement will be interesting. But yes – every day I see people continue to smoke while they queue to board the bus – and just drop their lit ciggie on the ground at the last possible second before they step on. Selfish beyond belief.

Genie said :

Yes please !

There’s nothing worse than waiting in the bus interchange and not being able to find a spot to breathe in fresh air.

I understand it’s your choice to smoke and you want to be able to smoke everywhere, but a little respect for this who DON’T want to smoke.

Haha, you think laws will stop people from smoking in interchanges?

I’m not sure if interchange people really care about laws.

Madam Cholet said :

My four year old has recently turned into a rugby league fiend meaning that Sundays are now spent watching them ‘play’ a match. Apparently smokers are meant to move a considerable distance away from the games – by order of the club rules, but I have noted that this does not happen. It’s really annoying. As an individual standing there you can choose to move out of the way, but that’s not really the point of the rule is it?

Thumbs up for bus interchange areas as well, but whether it’s able to be policed or not is another matter.

My young bloke has moved from junior rugby to junior league and we are amazed at the number of parents/supporters that smoke at league games. A HUGE difference between the codes.

Just ban it.

Bloody excellent!! Bus interchanges have been on my wishlist for ages! And I’ve been at playgrounds where both mummy and daddy are following their toddlers around, placing them on swings etc with a lit cigarette in their hand. I cannot think of a more thoughtless place to smoke.

I can’t stand parents and hangers-on who smoke while in a children’s playground. It’s one thing to foist your sh1tty decisions on your own kids but get the hell away from my kids. Fishing ciggie butts from my kids mouth and fingers sends me over the edge.

The inclusion on this list of laneways, alley ways, loading zones etc. in proximity to trendy cafes could save quite a few hipster/barista lives – can’t believe that smoking has come back in to fashion with kids who should be smart enough to know better.

Yes please !

There’s nothing worse than waiting in the bus interchange and not being able to find a spot to breathe in fresh air.

I understand it’s your choice to smoke and you want to be able to smoke everywhere, but a little respect for this who DON’T want to smoke.

My four year old has recently turned into a rugby league fiend meaning that Sundays are now spent watching them ‘play’ a match. Apparently smokers are meant to move a considerable distance away from the games – by order of the club rules, but I have noted that this does not happen. It’s really annoying. As an individual standing there you can choose to move out of the way, but that’s not really the point of the rule is it?

Thumbs up for bus interchange areas as well, but whether it’s able to be policed or not is another matter.