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Fatal in Holt. Colliding with a roadworks truck.

By johnboy 19 May 2012 38

ACT Policing is investigating a fatal collision at the intersection of Southern Cross Drive and Florey Drive this morning, May 19.

About 7.30 am a white Toyota Corolla was turning right from Florey Drive onto Southern Cross Drive when it collided with a light truck which was travelling east along Southern Cross Drive.

The 59-year-old Macgregor man driving the Corolla died at the scene and a man and woman from the truck were taken to the Canberra Hospital with minor injuries.

This is the third fatality on ACT roads this year.

Westbound traffic is being diverted from Southern Cross Drive onto Moyers Crescent. Eastbound traffic is being diverted left onto Florey Drive.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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JC 7:07 am 21 May 12

yellowsnow said :

gazket said :

What gets me is that for all these years Tony Gill and others in govt have been saying that the traffic impacts of developments like West Macgregor will be minimal, nothing to worry about and will be readily absorbed by existing infrastructure (basically telling concerned residents “go and get stuffed, our consultants’ back-of-the envelope traffic projections are right, and you’re wrong”) …

… and then suddenly Tony Gill is on the ABC news after the accident saying that the intersection is dangerous … because of all the extra traffic from West Macgregor

Can we believe anything they say anymore?

I actually reckon he is right. All the roads in that area were designed with extra traffic in mind (ever look at an old plan of the ACT?), so yes the existing roads can absorb the extra traffic because they were designed for it.

However clearly things like driver behaviour need to change (which IMO is the biggest cause of accidents at these two intersections) and traffic flow measures need to be put in place when that extra flow causes issues.

To me weather a road can cope with the flow and weather extra measures need to be put in place are two different things.

JC 7:02 am 21 May 12

bigred said :

FFS, this looks entirely avoidable. Anywhere there are road works going on, the treatment is f’ing dangerous with lines of sight obstructed. And the speeding is OK culture means a minor (often avoidable) bingle becomes a fatal.

I think the biggest problem with the speeding culture is inappropriate speed limits and more importantly inconstant speed limits. For example yesterday I drove along Belconnen Way at Hawker and there was a 40km/h road work area for about 100m, but and a big but the roadworks were a bus stop pad off the road, fenced off and not a worker in site. The road was a clear as what it would be if there was no ‘work’ going on.

Then 5 minutes later I am at the Florey Drive roadworks and the site has barriers, reduced visiblity, closed lanes, history of crashes and the roadworks speed limit signs are turned around meaning the normal 60km/h limit applies.

wildturkeycanoe 6:16 am 21 May 12

gazket said :

The A.C.T government made millions in stamp duty selling blocks in Macgregor West yet spent nothing to upgrade Southern Cross DR. All the upgrades should of been done years ago when they first started selling land out there. It seems the gov cared more about the golden moth than upgrades to the connecting roads to the suburb and it’s residents.

http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/2008-27/copy/84855/pdf/2008-27.pdf

3.2 Traffic / Road Connections
“The main vehicle access will be from Southern Cross Drive. Two further connections into the
existing suburb of Macgregor are also proposed, at the extension of Cannan Crescent and
onto Osburn Drive near Clode Crescent, to provide connections to Macgregor Primary
School and the local centre precinct. Osburn Drive will experience some increase in traffic,
but this will not have a significant impact and Osburn Drive will continue to operate well within
its capacity. A roundabout is proposed on the intersection link near Clode Crescent. A
further option of connecting the estate with Ginninderra Drive is also suggested but is subject
to future assessment. This connection is not required on traffic grounds.”

5.2.1 Golden Sun Moth
The Golden Sun Moth habitat site in Macgregor West (survey undertaken in 2004) covers
approximately 70ha, making it the sixth largest site for the species in the ACT. The highest
density of moths recorded in the study area was along Ginninderra Creek, particularly on
the north-east edge between the study area and Dunlop. The moth was present in lower
numbers on the drier slopes overlooking the creek, with a few records extended south as
far as the access road to the former sewage treatment works.
Wildlife Research and Monitoring Unit – Territory and Municipal Services (WRMU -TAMS)
undertook an additional survey in 2005, which resulted in similar findings to the initial study in
2004. WRMU have confirmed that no additional surveys would be necessary at this stage.
Appropriate land management of the site needs to be implemented immediately as the
existing lease expired in December 2005. The current biomass management regime of the
site needs to be maintained to allow the Golden Sun Moth habitat to continue and shall be
incorporated into land management agreement for the lease/licence of this land.
It was recommend by WRMU that consideration be given to making modifications to the
proposed boundary. Although the indicative subdivision layout (see Figure 3) is based on the
northern boundary recommended by the ecological assessment, the subdivision may need to
be adjusted to the boundary proposed by WRMU. This requires further consideration as part
of the estate development planning process, which will also need to take into account
bushfire asset protection requirements and habitat implications. A referral under the
Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act will also be required

I’ve been living in West Mac for over 3 years and have never seen a golden sun moth. Did they kill them all?
As for the connection roads, Cannan Cr extension and roundabout has only created a cool burnout pad for Friday nights, whilst the number of near misses at the roundabout near Clode Pl. that have personally affected my family are too many for my liking. I think the Osburnese are still upset at having lost the clear passage through here and have little regard for traffic coming form Eccles.

thatsnotme – I agree 100%, where is the plan for the upgraded intersection? There is a pile of data for the upcoming 3rd lane for Parks Way, but not even a description of what they’re doing on Florey dr. I laso don’t remember seeing any of the usual black ropes across the road counting vehicle movement numbers on either street lately, so how can they manage traffic properly without having done the research first? Unless of course the uni student with a clicker sitting under a tree about a year ago was hired by the government.

yellowsnow 11:12 pm 20 May 12

gazket said :

The A.C.T government made millions in stamp duty selling blocks in Macgregor West yet spent nothing to upgrade Southern Cross DR. All the upgrades should of been done years ago when they first started selling land out there. It seems the gov cared more about the golden moth than upgrades to the connecting roads to the suburb and it’s residents.

What gets me is that for all these years Tony Gill and others in govt have been saying that the traffic impacts of developments like West Macgregor will be minimal, nothing to worry about and will be readily absorbed by existing infrastructure (basically telling concerned residents “go and get stuffed, our consultants’ back-of-the envelope traffic projections are right, and you’re wrong”) …

… and then suddenly Tony Gill is on the ABC news after the accident saying that the intersection is dangerous … because of all the extra traffic from West Macgregor

Can we believe anything they say anymore?

Pretty much the same thing is about to happen at Molonglo … it’s kinda obvious to pretty much anyone other than govt-paid consultants that there will be peak hour chaos with thousands (in 10-20yrs tens of thousands) of extra cars channelled onto the the few roads providing access to Molonglo, but no – the govt knows better. Apparently the roads will cope as they are, with some minor tweaks down the track. Yes, they pretty much say all will be fine and dandy and the citizens of Weston Creek will be dancing in the streets because more people will make the district pulse with activity and one day, in twenty years, we might even get a decent direct bus service to the city thanks to all the extra demand in the area.

gazket 10:22 pm 20 May 12

The A.C.T government made millions in stamp duty selling blocks in Macgregor West yet spent nothing to upgrade Southern Cross DR. All the upgrades should of been done years ago when they first started selling land out there. It seems the gov cared more about the golden moth than upgrades to the connecting roads to the suburb and it’s residents.

http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/2008-27/copy/84855/pdf/2008-27.pdf

3.2 Traffic / Road Connections
“The main vehicle access will be from Southern Cross Drive. Two further connections into the
existing suburb of Macgregor are also proposed, at the extension of Cannan Crescent and
onto Osburn Drive near Clode Crescent, to provide connections to Macgregor Primary
School and the local centre precinct. Osburn Drive will experience some increase in traffic,
but this will not have a significant impact and Osburn Drive will continue to operate well within
its capacity. A roundabout is proposed on the intersection link near Clode Crescent. A
further option of connecting the estate with Ginninderra Drive is also suggested but is subject
to future assessment. This connection is not required on traffic grounds.”

5.2.1 Golden Sun Moth
The Golden Sun Moth habitat site in Macgregor West (survey undertaken in 2004) covers
approximately 70ha, making it the sixth largest site for the species in the ACT. The highest
density of moths recorded in the study area was along Ginninderra Creek, particularly on
the north-east edge between the study area and Dunlop. The moth was present in lower
numbers on the drier slopes overlooking the creek, with a few records extended south as
far as the access road to the former sewage treatment works.
Wildlife Research and Monitoring Unit – Territory and Municipal Services (WRMU -TAMS)
undertook an additional survey in 2005, which resulted in similar findings to the initial study in
2004. WRMU have confirmed that no additional surveys would be necessary at this stage.
Appropriate land management of the site needs to be implemented immediately as the
existing lease expired in December 2005. The current biomass management regime of the
site needs to be maintained to allow the Golden Sun Moth habitat to continue and shall be
incorporated into land management agreement for the lease/licence of this land.
It was recommend by WRMU that consideration be given to making modifications to the
proposed boundary. Although the indicative subdivision layout (see Figure 3) is based on the
northern boundary recommended by the ecological assessment, the subdivision may need to
be adjusted to the boundary proposed by WRMU. This requires further consideration as part
of the estate development planning process, which will also need to take into account
bushfire asset protection requirements and habitat implications. A referral under the
Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act will also be required

bigred 9:14 pm 20 May 12

FFS, this looks entirely avoidable. Anywhere there are road works going on, the treatment is f’ing dangerous with lines of sight obstructed. And the speeding is OK culture means a minor (often avoidable) bingle becomes a fatal.

thatsnotme 7:51 pm 20 May 12

vandam said :

Jethro said :

Sigh.

I know that this intersection is in the process of getting lights, but until the government can actually find the money to fix the Starke St intersection a couple hundred metres down the road, this area will continue to have serious collisions.

Crashes happen on this stretch of road on an almost weekly basis. It beggars belief that funding cannot be found to properly fix it.

I understand that lights will be put in at Florey dr and eventually a roundabout at Starke st.

What’s that based on? The official (and outdated) word on the TAMS website is

The upgrade works for the Starke Street intersection has been postponed pending the identification of a safe and financially viable option, including signalisation of the existing layout.

If you know something the rest of us don’t, I’d love to hear it. God knows it’s damn near impossible to guess what the Government may do.

What really pisses me off, is that as a community, we had more opportunity to be involved in the planning of the new McDonalds near the Starke St intersection, than we ever had to be involved in the planning of these intersections. It’s like there’s one rule for private development, and another for GovCo. I can’t even get online and see what’s actually planned for the Florey Drive intersection – there are no plans online, no information aside from an intention to signalise the intersection. Meanwhile, I can see exactly where the parking, kitchen, cool room, drive through, seating, signage, entry and exit of the McDonalds will be – because as a private developer they have to be far more open than our supposedly ‘open government’ will ever be.

willo 7:08 pm 20 May 12

dvaey said :

Nightshade said :

Gerry-Built said :

I also have to wonder if traffic from MacWest is going up Southern Cross Drive to avoid the disaster that is Drake Brockman Drive – with 13 speed humps that need slowing to 40kph…

That’s Spofforth St with the speed humps, and the West MacGregor traffic is supposed to go up Southern Cross Drive. The speed humps were put there to discourage them from taking a short cut (and from speeding – a Roads ACT investigation found 15% of motorists exceeding 75 km/hr when the limit is 50 km/h). But the increased traffic volume creates problems on Southern Cross Drive as well.

I have never understood why Spofforth St is limited to 50. It is a very wide road, with a fenced golf-course 40m to the West of the road, and a 10m naturestrip before the footpath on the East side. There seems to be little reason to it, other than to discourage drivers using that road.

What they should be doing, is developing Spofforth as a more major route, leading through to Drake Brockman. Drake Brockman also has plenty of room for widening with undeveloped land on each side for most of the way. The current option seems to be to try to tweak 40 year old problems on the existing route, only now that more traffic is using the road.

i understand why spofforth is 50 i also understand why so much money was spent on a traffic survey and then ridiculous speed humps in the street…….the reason is that a very vocal former mla lives on the street and his cronies in the labor party still jump when the old boy cracks the whip.

JC 3:41 pm 20 May 12

Felix the Cat said :

JC said :

LnBeyond said :

I couldn’t believe they didn’t put in lights or at least a roundabout when they last upgraded the intersection, how long ago, only one or two years ago?

Don’t recall any upgrades having been done at this intersection in recent times.

They extended the traffic island so that coming from McGregor/Dunlop you had to turn left into Florey Dr and this also gave the traffic turning left onto Southern Cross from Florey Dr it’s own lane.

That was done when I was living in MacGregor, I moved on 12 years ago, so would think your looking at more like 15-20! About the only thing I recall recently (and even then think it is about 5 years) is they moved the hold line back to be more or less inline with the giveway sign, previously it was a little more forward.

Felix the Cat 1:35 pm 20 May 12

JC said :

LnBeyond said :

I couldn’t believe they didn’t put in lights or at least a roundabout when they last upgraded the intersection, how long ago, only one or two years ago?

Don’t recall any upgrades having been done at this intersection in recent times.

They extended the traffic island so that coming from McGregor/Dunlop you had to turn left into Florey Dr and this also gave the traffic turning left onto Southern Cross from Florey Dr it’s own lane.

JC 11:37 am 20 May 12

Jethro said :

Surely finding the money to properly fix a stretch of road that sees collisions on an almost weekly basis should be a priority?

The traffic lights going in will help make safer the intersection where this collision occurred, but won’t do anything for Starke Street, and very well make it more dangerous as backed up traffic from the light makes it even harder for people pulling out of Starke to find a gap.

2 roundabouts would have been a much better and much more long-term solution. Instead we have a government that is willing to allow a known blackspot to remain dangerous because it will save a few bucks on roadworks.

Agree 100% as I said it should have been fixed a good 20+ years ago and also agree that a roundabout would have been the better option. Hope the lights they install have a red light camera system especially on the west-bound direction otherwise flogbags will without doubt try and run the red or speed on through. The real issue with Florey drive is the speed and regularity drivers come from Belconnen in particular.

JC 11:34 am 20 May 12

LnBeyond said :

I couldn’t believe they didn’t put in lights or at least a roundabout when they last upgraded the intersection, how long ago, only one or two years ago?

Don’t recall any upgrades having been done at this intersection in recent times.

vandam 11:30 am 20 May 12

Jethro said :

Sigh.

I know that this intersection is in the process of getting lights, but until the government can actually find the money to fix the Starke St intersection a couple hundred metres down the road, this area will continue to have serious collisions.

Crashes happen on this stretch of road on an almost weekly basis. It beggars belief that funding cannot be found to properly fix it.

I understand that lights will be put in at Florey dr and eventually a roundabout at Starke st.

Jethro 7:11 am 20 May 12

JC said :

cranky said :

This being the case, it is reprehensible that money has been expended on any other supposed road safety measures before this locations problems have been addressed.

For Govco to claim, probably incorrectly, that ONE death on Hindmarsh Drive warrants the introduction of point to point cameras, but is prepared to allow deaths to occur on Southern Cross Drive is simply a case of revenue raising being more important than keeping the citizens alive.

Some penny pinching bureaucrat, in conjunction with another unable to assess the dangerous results of his roadworks, is responsible for this death. I hope you know who you are.

That’s a bit melodramatic and shows a complete lack of understand as to how and where money is allocated by the government. Ever heard of a thing called priorities?

Surely finding the money to properly fix a stretch of road that sees collisions on an almost weekly basis should be a priority?

The traffic lights going in will help make safer the intersection where this collision occurred, but won’t do anything for Starke Street, and very well make it more dangerous as backed up traffic from the light makes it even harder for people pulling out of Starke to find a gap.

2 roundabouts would have been a much better and much more long-term solution. Instead we have a government that is willing to allow a known blackspot to remain dangerous because it will save a few bucks on roadworks.

dvaey 4:00 am 20 May 12

Nightshade said :

Gerry-Built said :

I also have to wonder if traffic from MacWest is going up Southern Cross Drive to avoid the disaster that is Drake Brockman Drive – with 13 speed humps that need slowing to 40kph…

That’s Spofforth St with the speed humps, and the West MacGregor traffic is supposed to go up Southern Cross Drive. The speed humps were put there to discourage them from taking a short cut (and from speeding – a Roads ACT investigation found 15% of motorists exceeding 75 km/hr when the limit is 50 km/h). But the increased traffic volume creates problems on Southern Cross Drive as well.

I have never understood why Spofforth St is limited to 50. It is a very wide road, with a fenced golf-course 40m to the West of the road, and a 10m naturestrip before the footpath on the East side. There seems to be little reason to it, other than to discourage drivers using that road.

What they should be doing, is developing Spofforth as a more major route, leading through to Drake Brockman. Drake Brockman also has plenty of room for widening with undeveloped land on each side for most of the way. The current option seems to be to try to tweak 40 year old problems on the existing route, only now that more traffic is using the road.

LnBeyond 1:32 am 20 May 12

This intersection was seriously dangerous before, but now worse than ever with the roadworks.
My first attempt at the intersection with the barriers up nearly saw me collide with another vehicle as we both realised at the same time that their lane had been reduced to half a lane.

I couldn’t believe they didn’t put in lights or at least a roundabout when they last upgraded the intersection, how long ago, only one or two years ago?

Nightshade 12:27 am 20 May 12

Sorry, something strange happened with the quoting in my previous post. I wrote the second paragraph, not Gerry-built.

Nightshade 12:19 am 20 May 12

Gerry-Built said :

I also have to wonder if traffic from MacWest is going up Southern Cross Drive to avoid the disaster that is Drake Brockman Drive – with 13 speed humps that need slowing to 40kph…

Gerry-Built said :

That’s Spofforth St with the speed humps, and the West MacGregor traffic is supposed to go up Southern Cross Drive. The speed humps were put there to discourage them from taking a short cut (and from speeding – a Roads ACT investigation found 15% of motorists exceeding 75 km/hr when the limit is 50 km/h). But the increased traffic volume creates problems on Southern Cross Drive as well.

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