Gay parental leave

To clarify – I do know a fair few older guys (and by older, I’m really meaning, about 35-50) who have been through an earlier, mistaken marriage on their way to finding out who they are, and are now happily settled in gay relationships. So… while, personally, I have just one highly unfortunate encounter with the opposite sex, I’d guess there are a fair few people out there who were slower learners, or who found themselves in a relationship which, on reflection, wasn’t really for them… and in the meantime, had produced kids.

You asked, I answered, bigot.

Hey just an honest question. People do wonder about homophobes you know…

I get more then enough sex thank you tap, and with the opposite sex I might add.
Sounds to me like you could do with some yourself. I’m sure there’s somewhere in Fyshwick which could accomodate you.

Have you ever ocasionally had sex with a gay person?

BigDave: Have you? … Just a thought, but perhaps all this dislike is because they are doing something you would like to do? Maybe you’re jealous?

If my taxes must be used to subsidise the lifestyles of people who breed children, it might as well be for all kinds of parents. Likewise, if people who breed children are given certain extra entitlements in the workplace, it should apply to all types of parents. And luckily, there are enough people without children to take up the slack.

LOL

BigDave said :

How do you know that johnboy? Have you ever ocasionally had sex with a gay person?

Not that it’s any of your business but I can’t say I have.

How do you know that johnboy? Have you ever ocasionally had sex with a gay person?

Mælinar – *spoiler alert* I’ve seen S04E13 said :

But a question back to you; Do you think the parents of a turkey-baster pregnancy should or should not inform their child that was the method of their conception ?

Good question – um, I’d go with “to a limited extent” – i.e. probably to about the same extent that my parents told me about the method of my conception. So… enough to know the basics, but frankly, I don’t really want to know if my parents went missionary position or otherwise during my conception. I think all the details a kid needs to know is that their parents went to a certain amount of effort to obtain the required mixing of ova and sperm.

ruhappynow said :

Parental leave? How do gays have kids in the first place?
I must start reading more science journals…

Maybe, just maybe, gay people occasionally have sex with people of the opposite sex?

Parental leave? How do gays have kids in the first place?
I must start reading more science journals…

@WMD, yes.

Simbo – it depends upon the qualifications of the person holding the turkey baster, although I’m sure the medical fraternity has a much more latinesque name for it.

While I dont ethically support homebakers, it falls under the guise of what you do for kicks in the privacy of your own bedroom, is your business.

But a question back to you; Do you think the parents of a turkey-baster pregnancy should or should not inform their child that was the method of their conception ?

I will disclaim, I am against same-sex couples using medical intervention to obtain children in the first place, but thats next weeks theme.

My point exactly Maelinar!

Just interested, Maelinar – does the well-established use of a turkey baster qualify as “medical intervention”, or just modified use of equipment?

Mælinar – *spoiler alert* I’ve seen S04E13 said :

Another comment to WMD about reading skills…

This extract :

Mr Barr said the Stanhope Labor Government has a proud record of fighting for equality for same-sex couples and their families in the ACT.

“The Stanhope Government has fought hard against the Howard Government and more recently the Rudd Government to secure legally recognised ceremonies as part of the Civil Partnerships Bill 2006,”

Apart from being a big piss in a strong wind, quite equivocably states that our representatives are quite adept at ‘fighting the man’ on our behalf – Now over to you.

I’ve answered your question with an example – a cleared, edited and passed through the hollowmen halls Government release, which pretty much states that you don’t really need an active community standing up and calling for it, on account of we’ll do it for you.

Again, I’m going to imply that you are a priopism.

Do you mean that the gay community is just trying to grab attention when the things they want are being done for them?

Can you please try to be a little less cryptic when posting. I’m not the only one pointing this out. You’re not particularly good at it (that’s an observation, not an insult) and it really does damage arguments with you, and I suspect it may even have been the cause of my initial despising for your comments. Less metaphors, more sense and I and others will be able to answer your comments better, I promise.

(Note: that wasn’t an insult or having a go, I was simply informing Maelinar as to why I have trouble with some of his comments).

JB – don’t fret, I’m not against same-sex couples raising children, nor the right to access appropriate leave (I’m looking forward to the first double-maternity leave fraud case to hit this site actually)

I will disclaim, I am against same-sex couples using medical intervention to obtain children in the first place, but thats next weeks theme.

Another comment to WMD about reading skills…

This extract :

Mr Barr said the Stanhope Labor Government has a proud record of fighting for equality for same-sex couples and their families in the ACT.

“The Stanhope Government has fought hard against the Howard Government and more recently the Rudd Government to secure legally recognised ceremonies as part of the Civil Partnerships Bill 2006,”

Apart from being a big piss in a strong wind, quite equivocably states that our representatives are quite adept at ‘fighting the man’ on our behalf – Now over to you.

I’ve answered your question with an example – a cleared, edited and passed through the hollowmen halls Government release, which pretty much states that you don’t really need an active community standing up and calling for it, on account of we’ll do it for you.

Again, I’m going to imply that you are a priopism.

I will say I’m surprised Maelinar wants to punish children for having gay parents.

So the homosexual community is just having a hissy-fit?

Maelinar…do you think these changes get made without an active community standing up and calling for them?

@ Mr-Shab and WMC

Firstly, to answer the immediate question by Mr-S, the erosion of hetero benefits comment was in reference to ‘removing yet another form of discrimination against same-sex couples and their children in the ACT and builds on our work to secure equal rights for all Canberrans’ – simply put in the reverse context.

Secondly, I think the true agenda of the GLTBX (whatever their acronym is) community is more about attention seeking, rather than seeking attention.

I can understand that johnboy, and I was surprised myself that you did. Full marks to yourself for doing so though. Brave! The bickering will not be coming from me.

Actually I was strongly tempted to not run this story at all for fear of having to read the same silly bickering from the same silly people.

LOL. Not suggesting anything, what would be the point on this site? But you did have a smile on your face when you read it johnboy!

You know Dave; every time I don’t delete one of your atrocities I get a bunch of people who think it means I in some way approve of what you say?

Are you perhaps suggesting the lesbians and homosexuals should be barred banned from announcing legislative reform of laws relating to lesbians and homosexuals?

I wasn’t super keen on gay marriage but you guys have really turned me around.

In my desire to not be associated with you in any way I’m going to end up leading a sodding march.

I think it’s fairly relevant that Sir Andrew Barr should be announcing a passage…

Maelinar @#7 – where’s this “erosion of benefits to heteros only” of which you speak?

Do you mean to parents? No – every government in the country seems to fall over themselves to shovel yet more money at breeders.

or do you mean to Heteros in general? I wasn’t aware that there were any particular benefits to being a hetero; more disadvantages to being gay.

I don’t get your drift with the whole opposition to gay marriage/rights/etc. VY makes some salient points about why he is opposed to gay marriage; but you show up sporadically, make a few cryptic statements that make you look like there’s some kind of vast secret gay conspiracy and then don’t elaborate.

Fill us in, big guy.

I’d like to know. Why does the idea of poofs getting hitched make you so uncomfortable, Mael? Did you cross the thin red line one night after going instant in the J?

This one time, at band camp…

Seriously though, wasn’t there a post a few months ago about how comments with the sole purpose of insulting another where not welcome? I totally agree with Johnboy, it simply discourages others from posting their legitimate views and generally brings down the whole site.

Oh well, there goes the original question I was trying to ask before the hounds of morons jumped on me.

I’m not entirely sure anyone else does though.

Well, I for one would like know what Maelinar’s theory about the homosexual community in Australia’s true motivation is…

I must admit these massive pissing competitions are something of a turn-off from expressing one’s own opinion.

So I’ll keep my thoughts to myself and offer those of one Stephen William Bragg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqH_xqh0eVw

Guys say something original or just let it drop, this bickering simply discourages others from contributing while adding nothing.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

I said in that thread that I don’t think you read the points I put up, or considered them sensibly. That opinion hasn’t changed. Clearly you’re not interested in having a debate or you would have engaged more sensibly sometime when the debate was actually going on. It comes down to:
VYBERLINAV8 – I would prefer to keep marriage as it is, but agree that gay people should be afforded all the legal rights and responsibilities of a formal union.
DEADMANDRINKING – Your a bigot because you don’t want to change something you hold as personally significant.

I’m getting kinda bored with it, mate, and don’t think I’m going to bother any further with it. It’s possible to debate without emotional arguing, you know.

I only called you a bigot because you were protesting the word being applied to forms of bigotry. If Dave hadn’t brought the word in the argument, it would never have been used. If you hadn’t been joining him in protesting over something that hadn’t happened, I would have never used the word for you.

You had a choice, you could either come up with something better than your points which were repeatedly being slammed down or you could whine like a baby and join the ranks of people like Maelinar who can never come up with a reasonable argument by themselves. You’ve chosen.

This one time I got a pizza

I second V8s opinion, on all 3 topics in #23.

I said in that thread that I don’t think you read the points I put up, or considered them sensibly. That opinion hasn’t changed. Clearly you’re not interested in having a debate or you would have engaged more sensibly sometime when the debate was actually going on. It comes down to:
VYBERLINAV8 – I would prefer to keep marriage as it is, but agree that gay people should be afforded all the legal rights and responsibilities of a formal union.
DEADMANDRINKING – Your a bigot because you don’t want to change something you hold as personally significant.

I’m getting kinda bored with it, mate, and don’t think I’m going to bother any further with it. It’s possible to debate without emotional arguing, you know.

You gonna reply?

He’s too busy trying to argue his way out of a hole he dug in a related thread (where he still hasn’t read the posts properly).

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

What does that have to do with anything? As with our previous discussion, your inability to read, comprehend and debate is sadly lacking. Still, you’re good for a giggle, so please, hang around.

Well, your joke wasn’t very good was it? Kind of like the ‘I only in gay marriage if both chicks are hot’ or ‘flap flap flap’ The humor here!

If DMD smiled his face would crack.

What does that have to do with anything? As with our previous discussion, your inability to read, comprehend and debate is sadly lacking. Still, you’re good for a giggle, so please, hang around.

Gay jokes make idiots laugh too.

Your response is why others find you amusing. Read what I wrote, then what you wrote, and see if you can get the connection.

Sitcoms aren’t really my thing – teasing stupid animals is more ‘me’.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

DMD, you missed the joke… Never mind, I still think you’re a top chick!

Oh…oh ha ha ha. You know, the funniest thing about this is that I don’t ride a horse around the countryside and I’m actually a guy! *eyes bulging* The comedy!

You should pen sitcoms.

DMD, you missed the joke… Never mind, I still think you’re a top chick!

Not all APS get it either now that each department has different HR rules and payrates etc.

The ones that get 2 weeks tend to be the less desirable depts like Tax and Defence. They have to offer something to get people to work there.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Why don’t you tell us their motivation DMD, since you’re obviously their appointed spokesperson. I don’t really know how you fit it all in, what with having to ride around the countryside righting wrongs all day.

I kind of thought their motivation might have been to have the same rights as everyone else in the community? Heavy concept, I know.

sepi said :

Defactos do get parental leave – up to two weeks per birth for most APS agencies.

well, that is great if you are in the APS, bit of a stinker for the rest of us though…

Why don’t you tell us their motivation DMD, since you’re obviously their appointed spokesperson. I don’t really know how you fit it all in, what with having to ride around the countryside righting wrongs all day.

Mælinar – *spoiler alert* I’ve seen S04E13 said :

So… with the continued erosion of ‘benefits’ for heteros only, does this mean the homos are going to shut up about the civil union issue ?

I think not, but thats because I’m severely pessimistic of their true motivation.

**DISCLAIMER**
I’m talking about a community issue, not an individual one. I’m more than happy that certain one-off relationships are doing well, but your example is not entirely representative of the larger group.

And what’s their true motivation, Maelinar? Which long and convoluted website full of hand-drawn diagrams must I go to?

Defactos do get parental leave – up to two weeks per birth for most APS agencies.

So… with the continued erosion of ‘benefits’ for heteros only, does this mean the homos are going to shut up about the civil union issue ?

I think not, but thats because I’m severely pessimistic of their true motivation.

**DISCLAIMER**
I’m talking about a community issue, not an individual one. I’m more than happy that certain one-off relationships are doing well, but your example is not entirely representative of the larger group.

It would be hard to argue with this, and in fact it should be broadened as per peterh’s comment above.

agreed. But, if the parent’s leave amendment is to be of benefit to the community, it should be broadened to emcompass all forms of parents, including de facto. It is about the children, but the parents may not be a typical relationship, gay or straight.

aka carers leave imo

your last sentence says it all JB.

I agree wholeheartedly. I won’t go in to my usual views about if gay parenting is right or wrong – but the children deserve the support regardless of the parental choices.

your last sentence says it all JB. anyone who complains about this legislation has to be a straight out hater of children, because the leave is granted to the parents of a child which is already in existence. the objective of the legislation is directed at the child – this might be a stretch for some people’s brains to comprehend though.

in other words you’d have to be extremely mean-spirited to deny that child proper care and attention in its first days on this planet just because you don’t think gays should have children (and of course it goes without saying that you are absolutely not a bigot for saying that or having that opinion either).