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Gaz jumps on the Brod bandwagon

By johnboy 29 April 2010 20

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Only 17% of RiotACT pollees earlier this month support the “Give Brod whatever he wants” solution to the great Brodburger dispute.

But with the story hitting the Sydney Morning Herald over the weekend the Liberals’ Senator Gary Humphries has leapt to action with a strongly worded media release:

Local Senator Gary Humphries has today called on the Home Affairs Minister to end the uncertainty facing the Brodburger van at Kingston by granting it the same exemption from having a land use permit that the Aboriginal Tent Embassy enjoys.

The National Capital and External Territories Committee have been told that structures such as the Brodburger van require a land use permit, unless the minister waives these requirements.

“Well, I want such a waiver for this new lakeside institution which has captured the imagination – and palates – of so many Canberrans,” Senator Humphries said today.

There hasn’t been a lot of strategic thought by any of the parties involved. But surely someone can see that linking the fates of a burger van and the Aboriginal Tent Embassy is fraught with peril? Does this mean Senator Humphries now supports the Tent Embassy?

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PM 4:01 pm 13 May 10

zephyr9673 said :

I used to love getting burgers from that Van in Turner. In darwin I used to enjoy Bug Burgers, I believe they are now an endagered species. Gaz seems like a nice bloke, but the liberals are more a party I would suspect of burning the embasy down with such racists as
Wilson Tuckey, Andrew Robb, Eric Abetz (more clueles than deliberate I think), Nick Minchin, Shane Stone (not missed),Ross Lightfoot, Bill Heffernan, George Brandis. Lets not forget what crawled out of Abbots office a few years ago.

If Gaz can do anything for the good of the commuinity stuck inside somthin as insidious as the Australian liberals more luck to him 🙂

Sorry Gaz, I can’t wish you all the best for the next election, I do pray the greens decimate your racist colleges though.

Oh and on the subject of a youth commissioner, Laber and the Greens both support it, I was shocked to hear Tonys policy of starving children to work, last on the ballot paper, Tony you were funnier behind costello, did you know?

Pauline Hanson

Starving children? Oh – there’s the rant’s connection to Gaz’s support for a food van!

zephyr9673 2:37 pm 13 May 10

I used to love getting burgers from that Van in Turner. In darwin I used to enjoy Bug Burgers, I believe they are now an endagered species. Gaz seems like a nice bloke, but the liberals are more a party I would suspect of burning the embasy down with such racists as
Wilson Tuckey, Andrew Robb, Eric Abetz (more clueles than deliberate I think), Nick Minchin, Shane Stone (not missed),Ross Lightfoot, Bill Heffernan, George Brandis. Lets not forget what crawled out of Abbots office a few years ago.

If Gaz can do anything for the good of the commuinity stuck inside somthin as insidious as the Australian liberals more luck to him 🙂

Sorry Gaz, I can’t wish you all the best for the next election, I do pray the greens decimate your racist colleges though.

Oh and on the subject of a youth commissioner, Laber and the Greens both support it, I was shocked to hear Tonys policy of starving children to work, last on the ballot paper, Tony you were funnier behind costello, did you know?

Pauline Hanson

proofpositive 1:07 pm 30 Apr 10

Gungahlin Al said :

I participate in dialogue on RA as me – not GCC. Irrespective of my volunteer work, I’m entitled to have and to express my personal opinions on matters public and political.

It’s a pity you havent declared you are a paid up member of the Greens Al.

Some of your articles you have written on the Gungahlin CC website are less than apolitical.

For example you panned the ALP for their decision on Well Station road, but convieniently omit to mention that the Greens were complicit ultimately supporting the government.

muFasa 10:46 am 30 Apr 10

Aurelius – apologies for the blunder – I obviously meant “bipartisan”.

muFasa 10:45 am 30 Apr 10

Gungahlin Al – happy to keep debate alive. Also happy to criticise politicians when needed.

I agree that safe seats aren’t good for the electorate. I think keeping a politician on their toes will only make them work harder. I just don’t agree with your point above. I don’t agree that the Senator came out in favour of the Brodburger van because he is afraid of the challenge by the Greens candidate. I think its a silly point.

I also believe that as the President of GCC you are supposed to keep good working relationships with politicians of all persuasions for the good of the community you volunteer for. I don’t begrudge you an opinion, I just don’t think some of your comments here help when you lobby a politician on behalf of the residents of Gungahlin.

NickD 6:05 pm 29 Apr 10

Gungahlin Al said :

Sorry Gary, but that bandwagon could be coming right at you.

That’s been tried in the last few elections, but the Greens have never managed to amass enough votes. Given the way the Senate voting system works its pretty unlikely that the Greens would ever outpoll the Liberals by such a margin that they could gain the second Senate seat.

Icepoet 5:42 pm 29 Apr 10

No offense taken Gungahlin Al – I learned something new today.

Gungahlin Al 4:25 pm 29 Apr 10

muFasa, I participate in dialogue on RA as me – not GCC. Irrespective of my volunteer work, I’m entitled to have and to express my personal opinions on matters public and political.

There is often (much much) more I’d like to say but, as one of the few non-anonymous posters here, I do temper my remarks in order to not burn all bridges. But that’s always a juggle depending on the issue, the person, their performance, and where the future of that relationship may head. For instance, I once was measured about what I said about John Hargreaves, but for some time (including before he stepped down from the ministry) I ceased to give a rats.

But just for you, I’ve edited my RA profile to include a disclaimer.

On my comments about the possibility of the Greens winning in Canberra, glad someone’s noticed. My primary reason is that it is a very real possibility rather than wishful thinking as you put it, as acknowledged by a number of media commentators, as it seems you’d like people to forget. And everyone knows that a safe seat is bad for the well-being of the electorate. I believe that tearing down the safe seat status of Canberra electorates would be a Good Thing for our community, so am keen to promote that idea, and make no apologies for it.

And as Icepoet’s post shows (no offence Icepoet), many people are unaware that ACT senators only have 3-year terms but also go into office immediately, unlike state senators who have to wait (unemployed) until the following July 1 to take their seats.

Anyway, thanks muFasa for helping to keep the thread active so more people get to read it. 😛

Icepoet 4:21 pm 29 Apr 10

Ah, so you’re saying they don’t have that six year promise of a safe seat johnboy?

In that case, bring on the Greens challenger!

Icepoet 4:04 pm 29 Apr 10

I openly admit to not knowing much about politics, but I thought that Senate seats were only elected every six years? If so, wasn’t Gary Humphries only re-elected at the last election in 2007? Shouldn’t he be up for re-election again in 2013/2014?

Aurelius 2:56 pm 29 Apr 10

muFasa might need to check what “partisan” means? And substitute another word maybe?

PM 1:44 pm 29 Apr 10

Gungahlin Al said :

Aurelius said :

Hasn’t anyone told the Senator that a bandwagon’s best to jump on when the support level is rising, not falling?

Ha!

But is there a bandwagon that Gary hasn’t jumped on in the last three months?

Methinks he is getting seriously concerned about the potential of being bumped by the Greens this coming election, and is trying desperately to overcome the perception (I’d say reality) that he’s achieved nothing for Canberra in either government or opposition.

And wouldn’t that be an interesting situation? Unlike senators elected in the states, an ACT senator is in immediately – instant balance of power to the Greens, unfettered by Stephen Fiedling’s dense ideas for 8-10 months.

I think Canberra voters would be quite intrigued by that scenario, and willing to turf Gary Humphries just to see some big tickets items (like a carbon tax) through the parliament. A handful of votes here in Canberra get to affect the entire country…

Sorry Gary, but that bandwagon could be coming right at you.

Al – You have been preaching about the Greeens winning a Senate seat for months now. I respect your view. Humbly disagree with your claim that Gaz is worried, although I’m sure he’s not taking anything for granted (who would?). When I read comments like these, though, I’m not sure if it’s wishful thinking on your part, or an attempt to plant a seed in others’ minds.

The Greens’ lead Senate candidate, I admit, is quite openly boastful about winning. However, she has commented publicly (at least, as a guest lecturer at an ANU course) regarding the deaths related to the stimulus package insulation programme words to the effect of “who cares” because the programme still created jobs. Perhaps she has that view because she involved in convincing the government to go down that path for the stimulus package rather than, for example, a greater focus on infrastructure.

I’m not saying she’s wrong to be so flippant about the deaths; there are lots of opinions out there. But she’s hardly a bastion of compassion, so what do you think of her now?

muFasa 12:01 pm 29 Apr 10

Wow Gungahlin Al – as the President of a Community Council one would have thought you would be a little partisan publicly with your dealings with politicians – but I often see you on here doing a little bit of Gary bashing.

Now don’t get me wrong, kicking a pollie when they do something stupid isn’t a bad idea… but as somewhat of a community figure, you might want to think about what you write before you press the “post” button.

Did you ever think that Gary might be supporting this because he actually thinks its a good idea? Would have criticised this move if it was Senator Lundy or the Greens candidate coming out in favour of the van? Have you even asked them what their opinion of the van is?

And if you desire the ETS so bad, you would need two Labor Senators in Canberra as the Greens voted the ETS down.

Criticise Gary for jumping on the bandwagon late – but relating it to him being “seriously concerned” about losing his seat is pretty far fetched… come back to reality Alan…

Aurelius 11:53 am 29 Apr 10

Al,
As much as I’d like to see the Liberals not score the second Senate seat, the reality is there’s enough Liberal votes in this city to ensure he’ll get 33%, and thus a quota.
To not get that level of the vote, Gazza would have to do something (or maybe several somethings) monumentally bad. Like perhaps blow up a public building in a negligent way and kill a child? Oh no, hang on, that’s been done.

eyeLikeCarrots 11:52 am 29 Apr 10

Yeah – someone trying to turn a profit out of a food van should be entitled to exactly the same rights….

*sigh…

I’m thinking of running in the next election, I can join the likes of Barnaby Joyce and Bob Catter… get in the news and hard on about bollocks.

Gungahlin Al 11:20 am 29 Apr 10

Aurelius said :

Hasn’t anyone told the Senator that a bandwagon’s best to jump on when the support level is rising, not falling?

Ha!

But is there a bandwagon that Gary hasn’t jumped on in the last three months?

Methinks he is getting seriously concerned about the potential of being bumped by the Greens this coming election, and is trying desperately to overcome the perception (I’d say reality) that he’s achieved nothing for Canberra in either government or opposition.

And wouldn’t that be an interesting situation? Unlike senators elected in the states, an ACT senator is in immediately – instant balance of power to the Greens, unfettered by Stephen Fiedling’s dense ideas for 8-10 months.

I think Canberra voters would be quite intrigued by that scenario, and willing to turf Gary Humphries just to see some big tickets items (like a carbon tax) through the parliament. A handful of votes here in Canberra get to affect the entire country…

Sorry Gary, but that bandwagon could be coming right at you.

Thumper 11:20 am 29 Apr 10

Maybe Brod should just move to the tent embassy site?

trevar 11:05 am 29 Apr 10

I was getting bored of the BrodDebate but the SMH article is a particularly interesting one, and the following paragraph is a good summation of the issue:

Most cities, [sic] have had to accommodate organic, higgledy piggledy growth at some point; Canberra is one of the few that, from the start, has had the option of controlling everything. The question is whether it should. Should the NCA keep trying to make Brodburger conform to its plan, or should it listen to the thousands of Canberrans who like it just as it is?

I’m generally in favour of having development in Canberra guided by a single aesthetic vision rather than a seething metropolis-style ‘higgledy-piggledy’ approach, but in the case of the Brodburger van, it’s mostly hidden by trees, and doesn’t interrupt the aesthetic qualities of the lakeside or the park. On the other hand, I don’t think the construction of a permanent kiosk is too much to ask of a successful enterprise like this. And after it’s built he could paint the bloody thing red as a final ‘up yours’ to the NCA. Sounds like a win/win to me.

Aurelius 10:55 am 29 Apr 10

Hasn’t anyone told the Senator that a bandwagon’s best to jump on when the support level is rising, not falling?

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