19 March 2007

Greens go for Gazza

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The ABC reports that the Greens rather fancy their chances of knocking Gary Humphries out in the upcoming Federal election.

He’s probably one of the more decent human beings in federal politics but that seems to be unlikely to save him from general disgust with the Howard Government in this town.

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I support some kind of lock-up rehab for those sentenced to rehab by the courts, and a separate, nicer version for people choosing to give up on their own.

Currently anyone sentenced to rehab by the courts can just leave 5 minutes after they get there. And people who want to go to rehab off their own bat can’t get in, as they are clogged up with people under court orders. Not to mention the company is pretty awful if they ever do get a spot.

Ralph I really dont’ think most druggies stop to consider the message society may be sending by providing rehab. They are either thinking ‘hmm really should try to stop drugs’ or ‘who can I rob to get more drugs’. I’m pretty pragmatic about it – the more who succesfully get thru rehab, the less our health and crime costs.

There’s also the argument as well that legalising or decriminalising drugs won’t necessarily see more people take up drugs. I’m not saying I agree with this.

However certain people (genetic) are probably going to be more disposed to taking up drugs.

Everybody doesn’t smoke because it is legal.

I don’t support more money for rehab Seepi. It sends a signal to people that they can get high and society will provide a safety net. Singapore does well with this; throw users in jail and let them dry out that way. I think that will me a few people think twice about taking up drugs.

And if they legalised it the production issues would be cleaned up making it less harmful.

But no, it’s much more fun for alcoholics to thunder about junkie scum and feel a little bit better about themselves.

If they decriminalised drugs, they could put all the money they now spend on enforcement into rehab.

At the moment it is really hard to get into a rehab, which is just ridiculous. Rehab should be available to anyone who feels ready to try to give up.

I can’t see how decriminalising is going to make society that much safer… Alcohol, tobacco, etc are legalised, as such price went down due to legal manufacture and market competition.

Decriminalising, will not result in legitimate manufacture and price competition, so won’t the dealers still push their product at the same price and defeat one of the key results espoused from the pro-decriminalising sections ?

we have enough in qbn without adding thanks bonfire…

id hunt dealers down and hang them from light poles in civic carparks.

id decriminalise personal posession.

id offer an act govt brand of doobies, with good ole smoking dope, not the hydroponic stuff thats flogged these days.

remove the supply chain.

tell them they cant operate in act or they will get knee caps drilled out. raid them on a daily basis until they get the idea.

if this means all the dealers move to yass or qbn – great. as long as they take their market with them.

& yes, what boomacat said.

“legalise ice”
“After the Greens comment on legalising drugs I think they’re boned. As they should be.”

Gee…you guys bought the major party spin on the Greens drug policy…hook, line & sinker. Did you bother to check it our from the source, or just rely on Network 9 “news”?

Personally, I don’t think the Greens drug policy goes far enough. I’d legalise everything completely & put the emphasis on personal responsibility. ie. Take whatever you like into your own body (who’s business is it anyway?) BUT commit a crime on said drugs (or to pay for said drugs) & you have the book thrown at you. Imagine having police resources free to deal with violent & horrific crimes rather than chasing around minor drug offenders all day!

You guys drink beer? Coffee? DRUGOS!

look guys, I don’t give a shite if you vote Greens for the Senate. It will never happen.

But please vote for Greens or some other independant locally. We dont need 4 years of an arrogant majority government refusing to listen to the people.

Yes, because criminalising drugs has resulted in such great outcomes.

All you need to do is pick up an Australian Crime Commission document about the effects of prohibition to realise it’s an absolute failure.

The Greens suggested decriminalising (as distinct from legalising) ice for personal use. Users detected would be diverted into health treatment programs. This is similar to the heroin prescription scheme operated in Switzerland or the Drug Court regime operating in NSW.

But yes, let’s stick to prohibition and leave our heads up our arses while we pretend it works.

graham richardson

damn straight! JB for Senate!
I move that as part of the Riotact party’s constitution, senate-elect must wear togas.


Mark Latham?

“What about a new party: the “Imadecenthumanbeing Party?””

It’s a rare pollie who’ll admit to being a total bastard.

VYBerlinaV8 now_with_added grunt3:17 pm 20 Mar 07

After the Greens comment on legalising drugs I think they’re boned. As they should be.


you mean people just like you?

a riotact party – cant hurt the RA profile –
with a firm grounding in justice (well, a commitment to arbitrary violence doled out by uncaring members of the constabulary) you can harness the imagination of the public with the return of capital punishment in the capital! a great policy Im sure will at least garnish support from existing riotacters.

What about a new party: the “Imadecenthumanbeing Party?”

democrats came about when ‘soft’ or ‘wet’ liberals followed chipp out of the liberal party.

instead of voting alp you coudl vote democrat.

it was a party with some core values, and the ability to use balance of power to negotiate reasonable outcomes.

then it was infiltrated by opportunists and started to lean left.

traditional democrat outcomes were seen as ‘betrayals’ etc. the hysteria over the gst negotiations is the greatest evidence of this.

sadly, the party is heading for oblivion.

but have the greens taken on the democrat role ?


they are too radical and ideologically driven.

this wont translate into core electroate support beyond maybe 5%.

the votes will get sucked up by preferences, prob to the ALP.

if you dont think the major parties are aware of the danger of splitting votes off from the three majors, read richardsons ‘whatever it takes’ tome.

when it comes to measuring their electoral support, the greens are like fishermen.

Just Young Labor hacks on the piss talking it up Areaman. As they do.

You really need to get your traps cleaned then Heavs, i don’t even think it’s going to be contested.

Not just different electorate Louise but different house. Humphries is in Senate, Honest Bob is in Reps. Word around labor traps is that Bob is no shoo-in for pre-selection this time round anyway

In my experience he responds quickly to letters, but takes no action.

Why is nobody asking what Bob McMullen has ever done? I know, I know, different electorate, but someone should try to give him a run for his money.

That’s reaching out!

seepi it is obvious that you are a feral green so nothing said here would change your mind.

Hazs Humphries actually done anything.
he stood up for Screensound – which was then absorbed into the AFC anyway. And he crossed the floor on Gay Marriage. I can’t think of a single other thing he has done or said.

The dopey Greens and Democraps have for years trying to win a Senate position in the ACT but have failed even with high profile candidates. Humphries, as our only Government representative has done a good job and should be returned anyway.

Deb did good work on the Narrabundah Caravan park (she warned the govt what could happen ahead of time – they chose not to listen and are now up for millions.)

She was also proactive on the dragway. And at least with the greens there is no pretence and tricks. You know what they stand for and they keep to their ideologies.

You’re sounding like a moonbat Pandy.

They tried this in 04, didn’t work, and it won’t work this time.

Yeah lets means test all Government housing.

When was a Labor member like MacDonald or Gentleman ever seen at a community forum or quoted as saying somethin intelligent? At least Deb gets around the hustings unlike the other two sitting on their faction bums.

No chance in hell of this happening. They tried this stunt in ’04 and didn’t even come close. They would need a strong minor party vote to push Gazza to preferences but the minor party vote is too small.

The only other possible minor parties to run are the Dems, the Socialist Alliance, the Christian Dems and the Liberal Dems – together they will struggle to receive 5%. It is just not enough.

simbo: ahh, but all that needs to happen is for garry’s support to slip below a quota – then labor preferences (which can be expected to moderately favour the greens) will be distributed, which could put the greens candidate over the line. Maybe.

Like living in a government house whilst earning over $100K/year.

She wouldn’t know her arse from her elbow.

Her latest about the Grassby monument was ‘at least an artist is getting paid’. Really great stuff

I yhink Deb has some good thoughts. read hansard.

Elect a single issue party and watch the fun. After the performance in the NSW election (legalise ice…..but sorry I’ve never met an ice user or have any practical life experience of the situation) the Greens, aside from environmental issues, stand for nonsense.

Balance of power simbo. Sure they wont form a coalition, but maybe there will be more wheeling and dealing from the cnuts in power. It would surely clip Stanhopes wings.

Let’s hope Gazza gets a bit of a fright. Might make things a bit interesting and if its tight encourage some pork barrelling. I’ll vote for the person who promises to erect and person border check points at the exits from West Belco.

Pandy, are you trying to make us laugh?

There’s pretty much zero possibility of the local greens forming a coalition with the Libs – they’d vaporise their support base immediately.

Vote Greens locally and send Stanhope out on his ass.

More importantly, there is enough of a Liberal rump in this town to mean that they’ll still poll higher than the greens. You’ll notice that, even in that raving hotbed of socialism, the Legislative Assembly, there’s still way more Libs than there are Greens.

The greens are very good at being a protest party (much better at it than the Democrats, who attempted to negotiate with the liberals – thus their decline), but they’re not a party anybody takes seriously for the task of actually governing…


Don’t make me laugh. Two words…..Deb….Foskey

Lives in a different universe to the rest of us

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