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Greens ready to pull the plug?

By johnboy - 12 June 2010 25

In the Canberra Times the Greens’ Shane Rattenbury is having a major dummy spit over, well over everything:

Mr Rattenbury said frustrations included a lack of cooperation between government agencies, time-wasting bureaucracy, ”deliberate obfuscation” by Government officials and difficulties obtaining basic information from Government media staff.

The deal breaker is plans to bulldoze 32 hectares in the Molonglo Valley to build a shopping centre.

Apparently this is “nationally endangered woodland” even though 99% of us have never heard of it before and couldn’t find it on a map in a month of Sundays.

Anyway someone should wake Zed up and get him to give Shane a call.

"nationally endangered woodland" at Molonglo

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Greens ready to pull the plug?
Voice of Reason 11:42 am 13 Jun 10

Beau Locks said :

We vote governments in to lead, and spend our taxes based on evidence, best practice, and common sense.

What a remarkable theory.

Pandy 8:08 am 13 Jun 10


Beau Locks 12:15 am 13 Jun 10

Not very good options for the poll Johnboy! If there was an option along the lines of “I’m not familiar with the woodland in question, but not knowing about something doesn’t mean it’s not real, and may even be important and worth some biffo to save” maybe a few punters would have clicked on that.

[Pre-emptive apology for the dissertation…]

Forgetting the woodland for just a minute, I have grave reservations about the whole enterprise at Monlonglo. Not putting houses there, mind: that’s a top idea. Rather, the way that it’ll be done is wot gives me the heebie jeebies. A few years back UC final year landscape architecture students all had to do their major project on the Molonglo valley redevelopment. This involved masses of research and thinking, interviewing key stakeholders and sundry and assorted experts, and then each doing up a series of very detailed panels that showed everything from a masterplan for the valley to specific design elements for a new set of suburbs. To the best of my knowledge, neither the chiefly one or any of the local councillors with the exception of Deb Foskey) showed any interest in this work. A tragedy, really.

From memory, most of the students came up with a pretty similar set of principles (even tho their designs differed markedly). These were based on common sense, best practice, advice on freshwater ecology etc etc. For example, none of them included a lake, for a variety of reasons. Instead, all of them included off-line wetlands. All of them included transport corridors built in from the start. All of them had strip shopping and mixed-use zones along key activity corridors.

We will not get anything that sensible. What we will get will be another utter Gunghalin-esque disaster. (As an aside, are people aware that Palmerston and other early Gunghalin suburbs are actually used as WORST case examples of what NOT to do vis-a-vis urban planning at design and planning courses around Australia?) We will have stoopid McMansions on stoopid blocks of land, no integrated transport up-front, streets that aren’t aligned for solar access or surveillance or to encourage activity, no water sensitive urban design, no decent guidelines for how to build, and no planning for food production or anything else that’s both common practice and common sense in other more enlightened greenfield sites where the government has total control over the land. It will be a disaster.

One of the best parcels of land, and one of the best opportunities to start from scratch and get something right will be wholly farked up by the band of fools in the council and various guvment outfits involved in implementing stuff, driven in large part by what the powerful vested interests in the development industry think will be easiest for their members, i.e. continuing to build the same dross the same way they they know how and that makes them the most money. Of course, they’ll say that what they build responds to demand. If that’s so, explain why Swinger Hill is so popular, and (relatively) overpriced compared to surrounding areas? It’s because people want to live somewhere with that aesthetic and urban form. The design of the joint wasn’t pushed by developers, but by government. We vote governments in to lead, and spend our taxes based on evidence, best practice, and common sense. Once again we will be let down.

Waiting For Godot 11:38 pm 12 Jun 10

Interesting to hear on 2CC that the Motorists Party was actually responsible for three of the Greens being elected. If the Motorists had not run a full ticket there would have only been one Green in the Assembly and we wouldn’t have these moronic, airheaded nonentities (The Greens) throwing their weight around and holding the community to ransom.

junkett 10:13 pm 12 Jun 10

What about the option for “the drones voted Nohope, the combined train-wreck was inevitable”?

Thumper 7:48 pm 12 Jun 10

so, the greens have just realised that stanhope has been using them for the past few years and that they really are completely and totally irrelevant in his (the CM’s) eyes.

as hb said, it is identified under the EPBC Act so any attempt to develop it would trigger the Act which will bring in the big guns from federal environment. Stanhope must know this.

housebound 4:16 pm 12 Jun 10

This, only days before the next ALP-Greens accord meeting? Pffft … another scripted tiff to show they really are different, no, really.

As for that yellow-box – red gum woodland, it has been declared under the EPBC Act, and so it is a big deal. I think there is something like 5% of the original cover left, and a large slab of that is here in the ACT.

I would have more hope for that woodland if the Greens hadn’t caved in or severely compromised to Labor on everything else.

LSD 3:27 pm 12 Jun 10

If it doesn’t go ahead, hope someone, somewhere in the ACT Legislative Nomenklatura has a Plan B for making inroads into the Canberra housing shortage crisis. Would be a help…

eh_steve 2:06 pm 12 Jun 10

Shouldn’t Meredith Hunter be the one talking about a big decision like that? Possibly this is just Shane Rattenbury shooting his mouth off, speaking for himself and not the Greens team?

Cletus 3 2:03 pm 12 Jun 10

You must be confusing facts with democracy. One is decided based on the vote of a bunch of morons, the other is not.

damien haas 12:57 pm 12 Jun 10

The bigger problem with Molonglo is that they will build houses, get 20 thousand people to live there and then upgrade road access in 5 years time.

They should build 4 lane road access in and out, grade seperated public transport and park and ride facilities – NOW!

Aurelius 12:56 pm 12 Jun 10

I knew about it. Coz I read it up there ^^^

LSD 12:42 pm 12 Jun 10

Interesting to see the Greens being able to identify barriers to effective government.

trevar 12:06 pm 12 Jun 10

I knew about it.

nhand42 11:01 am 12 Jun 10

Yes, because unless everybody knows about it, it’s not actually endangered. Experts on conservation? Pfft, who cares what they say, we just have a popular vote to determine reality around here.

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