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Gungahlin traffic woes

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Is anyone else finding the daily commute out of Gungahlin difficult?

My concerns are, as the population of the district increases the amount of traffic on the roads will only increase. Horse Park Dr, parts of Flemington Rd are single lane – not sufficient for the morning volumes of traffic.  Compared to Tuggeranong and Belconnen, Gungahlin does not seem to have a road network capable of dispersing traffic at peak times.

What measures will be put in place when the light rail gets underway? Flemington Road is likely to be further constrained for quite some time – has anyone in government considered measures for dealing with the light rail and traffic leaving Gungahlin?

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Maya123 10:44 am 31 Mar 15

rubaiyat said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

rubaiyat said :

tim_c said :

It’s all part of Shane Rottenbury’s strategy to get people out of their cars and into…….. err, um, alternative forms of transport, such as…. err, ugh, sustainable alternatives.

It takes a special skillset to achieve the traffic jams of big cities when we have such a small population. And in the event that even this isn’t enough, he can be counted on to slow you down (as well as increasing operating costs, fuel and maintenance, noise and carbon emissions) by sticking inverted potholes (speedhumps) all over the roads with hitherto smooth-flowing traffic.

Roads are not part of Shane’s portfolio (btw you misspelt his name).

The fact that roads are a complete stuff up is SO unusual.

I’m sure that doesn’t happen anywhere else, no mater how much money is spent on them!

Why do you hate roads so much? Your posts are full of vitriol about this topic.

I can conversely ask why you, and others, hate public transport so much.

I notice you have not called tim_c out for their childish name calling of Shane Rattenbury who appears to be the target of tim_c because he is an EVIL Green.

You may just never think about the issues. It “Just IS!”.

The vitriol and crazy condemnation of public transport is irrational and counter productive, as the more public transport, which is extremely efficient and environmentally friendly, the less problems for car owners. They can continue polluting, running over small children in their driveways and when dropping them off at school, throw a large part of their income at the imported cars and fuel, and suffer from the consequences of the lack of exercise such as obesity, diabetes and heart attacks.

The more public transport the less cars on the roads for the rest of you.

Those are just the facts. Maybe you can point me out where I have it wrong.

Roads are not a long term solution and are just a consequence of short sightedness on the part of the planners and car owners.

The truth is, in this and many other countries, governments simply throw money at roads to “solve” transport problems. Why? Because those who make the decisions don’t use public transport and find it a nuisance. Also it appeases quite a number of loud special interest groups.

The result however has been sprawling cities, long commutes to and from work, an enormous numbers of deaths, massive pollution, the dividing up of our cities by walled corridors of concrete, and the countryside with similar corridors of death for wildlife.

It also is one of the largest contributors of our Trade Deficit and feeds the geo-political problems of the Middle East. How do you know the fuel that is driving your car hasn’t come from ISIS? Very likely it has come from the extreme reactionary Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, with a cluster of others on their coat tails. Even Putin’s Russia is propped up by oil exports.

It probably won’t have come from the disgustingly filthy oil sands of Canada but it all comes from the same global pool, that let’s someone else consume the noxious product. In the case of Canada it is the USA.

Possibly you may also be equally irrational about the consequences of burning fossil fuels. In which case transport should not be an issue, because you will be spending all your time with your head buried in the sand.

“you will be spending all your time with your head buried in the sand.”
Of the Middle East!!!?

rubaiyat 9:41 am 31 Mar 15

thatsnotme said :

dungfungus said :

Postalgeek said :

dungfungus said :

A lot more people use cars as their main means of travel so of course more will die on the road.

How does that support your original assertion that “cyclists are using the ambulance services a lot more than motorists are”?

Add the word “disproportionately” which I used and you have answered your own question.

I’d also like to see the statistics you’re relying on. I assume to know that cyclists are in fact using the ambulance service ‘disproportionately more’ than motorists are you have data to back that up?

I’d also hope that any data you have has a breakdown of what form of cycling activity was being undertaken at the time. Cycle commuting to work is a completely different activity, with a completely different set of risks, to something like mountain biking. To lump ambulance service responses to people injured mountain biking / road racing / BMX cycling etc. in with commuting , would be similar to including accidents and injuries sustained in rally driving events to the general road toll.

We were walking one morning down to the lake and came upon an accident where a guy just drove out of a side street, I believe he was on his mobile, and ploughed into a bunch of cyclists on the main road without looking.

Drivers in Canberra are not just bad, they are extremely selfish and inconsiderate.

Crossing a zebra crossing in Canberra is done at your peril, the drivers seem to want to assert their right to every square inch of roadway in their path.

Their obnoxious behaviour defies belief. They don’t move across lanes when there is plenty of room to do so, they overtake on the left, use bus lanes with only one occupant in the car, and assume that every bit of land is Car Park Land.

My very first day at work in Canberra some 30 years ago I was driving down to the Hindmarsh Drive/Canberra Ave intersection at Fyshwick. In front of me the only other two cars on the 6 lane wide road in front of me were engaged in road rage with each other!

rubaiyat 9:28 am 31 Mar 15

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

rubaiyat said :

tim_c said :

It’s all part of Shane Rottenbury’s strategy to get people out of their cars and into…….. err, um, alternative forms of transport, such as…. err, ugh, sustainable alternatives.

It takes a special skillset to achieve the traffic jams of big cities when we have such a small population. And in the event that even this isn’t enough, he can be counted on to slow you down (as well as increasing operating costs, fuel and maintenance, noise and carbon emissions) by sticking inverted potholes (speedhumps) all over the roads with hitherto smooth-flowing traffic.

Roads are not part of Shane’s portfolio (btw you misspelt his name).

The fact that roads are a complete stuff up is SO unusual.

I’m sure that doesn’t happen anywhere else, no mater how much money is spent on them!

Why do you hate roads so much? Your posts are full of vitriol about this topic.

I can conversely ask why you, and others, hate public transport so much.

I notice you have not called tim_c out for their childish name calling of Shane Rattenbury who appears to be the target of tim_c because he is an EVIL Green.

You may just never think about the issues. It “Just IS!”.

The vitriol and crazy condemnation of public transport is irrational and counter productive, as the more public transport, which is extremely efficient and environmentally friendly, the less problems for car owners. They can continue polluting, running over small children in their driveways and when dropping them off at school, throw a large part of their income at the imported cars and fuel, and suffer from the consequences of the lack of exercise such as obesity, diabetes and heart attacks.

The more public transport the less cars on the roads for the rest of you.

Those are just the facts. Maybe you can point me out where I have it wrong.

Roads are not a long term solution and are just a consequence of short sightedness on the part of the planners and car owners.

The truth is, in this and many other countries, governments simply throw money at roads to “solve” transport problems. Why? Because those who make the decisions don’t use public transport and find it a nuisance. Also it appeases quite a number of loud special interest groups.

The result however has been sprawling cities, long commutes to and from work, an enormous numbers of deaths, massive pollution, the dividing up of our cities by walled corridors of concrete, and the countryside with similar corridors of death for wildlife.

It also is one of the largest contributors of our Trade Deficit and feeds the geo-political problems of the Middle East. How do you know the fuel that is driving your car hasn’t come from ISIS? Very likely it has come from the extreme reactionary Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, with a cluster of others on their coat tails. Even Putin’s Russia is propped up by oil exports.

It probably won’t have come from the disgustingly filthy oil sands of Canada but it all comes from the same global pool, that let’s someone else consume the noxious product. In the case of Canada it is the USA.

Possibly you may also be equally irrational about the consequences of burning fossil fuels. In which case transport should not be an issue, because you will be spending all your time with your head buried in the sand.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 7:57 am 31 Mar 15

rubaiyat said :

tim_c said :

It’s all part of Shane Rottenbury’s strategy to get people out of their cars and into…….. err, um, alternative forms of transport, such as…. err, ugh, sustainable alternatives.

It takes a special skillset to achieve the traffic jams of big cities when we have such a small population. And in the event that even this isn’t enough, he can be counted on to slow you down (as well as increasing operating costs, fuel and maintenance, noise and carbon emissions) by sticking inverted potholes (speedhumps) all over the roads with hitherto smooth-flowing traffic.

Roads are not part of Shane’s portfolio (btw you misspelt his name).

The fact that roads are a complete stuff up is SO unusual.

I’m sure that doesn’t happen anywhere else, no mater how much money is spent on them!

Why do you hate roads so much? Your posts are full of vitriol about this topic.

vintage123 10:46 pm 30 Mar 15

vintage123 said :

A friend of mine just called me and said it took an hour and fifteen minutes to go from forde to Brindabella park this morning with traffic bumper to bumper. That sounds like a nightmare.

Strange thing is it only took them 30 minutes to get home. That sounds like it is going to be a capital metro tram logistical nightmare. Unless they run ten trams in the peak morning period and none for the rest of the day, how’s this going to work from a scheduling and timetable point of view.

thatsnotme 8:29 pm 30 Mar 15

dungfungus said :

Postalgeek said :

dungfungus said :

A lot more people use cars as their main means of travel so of course more will die on the road.

How does that support your original assertion that “cyclists are using the ambulance services a lot more than motorists are”?

Add the word “disproportionately” which I used and you have answered your own question.

I’d also like to see the statistics you’re relying on. I assume to know that cyclists are in fact using the ambulance service ‘disproportionately more’ than motorists are you have data to back that up?

I’d also hope that any data you have has a breakdown of what form of cycling activity was being undertaken at the time. Cycle commuting to work is a completely different activity, with a completely different set of risks, to something like mountain biking. To lump ambulance service responses to people injured mountain biking / road racing / BMX cycling etc. in with commuting , would be similar to including accidents and injuries sustained in rally driving events to the general road toll.

rubaiyat 5:00 pm 30 Mar 15

tim_c said :

It’s all part of Shane Rottenbury’s strategy to get people out of their cars and into…….. err, um, alternative forms of transport, such as…. err, ugh, sustainable alternatives.

It takes a special skillset to achieve the traffic jams of big cities when we have such a small population. And in the event that even this isn’t enough, he can be counted on to slow you down (as well as increasing operating costs, fuel and maintenance, noise and carbon emissions) by sticking inverted potholes (speedhumps) all over the roads with hitherto smooth-flowing traffic.

Roads are not part of Shane’s portfolio (btw you misspelt his name).

The fact that roads are a complete stuff up is SO unusual.

I’m sure that doesn’t happen anywhere else, no mater how much money is spent on them!

wildturkeycanoe 4:17 pm 30 Mar 15

vintage123 said :

A friend of mine just called me and said it took an hour and fifteen minutes to go from forde to Brindabella park this morning with traffic bumper to bumper. That sounds like a nightmare.

According to Google Maps, it takes just as long or longer if you ride a bike. Car still wins in this case.

puggy 1:27 pm 30 Mar 15

JC said :

Don’t disagree there should be a park and ride in the town centre too.

I thought the big gravel car park out the back of the Big W building was meant to function as a type of park and ride? I don’t think I’ve seen time limits in that car park, but I don’t know how permanent it is either.

dungfungus 12:57 pm 30 Mar 15

vintage123 said :

A friend of mine just called me and said it took an hour and fifteen minutes to go from forde to Brindabella park this morning with traffic bumper to bumper. That sounds like a nightmare.

I had a car like that, once.

vintage123 11:50 am 30 Mar 15

A friend of mine just called me and said it took an hour and fifteen minutes to go from forde to Brindabella park this morning with traffic bumper to bumper. That sounds like a nightmare.

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