High speed German autos seized

johnboy 28 March 2012 62

ACT Policing has seized two vehicles after they were detected travelling at over 160km/h along Belconnen Way yesterday (March 27) afternoon.

Around 4pm, ACT Policing Traffic Operations members were undertaking laser speed checks on Belconnen Way, Aranda when they saw a black Mercedes E500 and an Audi S3 travelling side-by-side at speed.

The officers conducted speed checks and detected the Mercedes, driven by a 31-year-old Melba man, travelling at 170km/h, 90km/h over the speed limit. The Audi, driven by a 34-year-old Greenway man was detected at 165km/h, 85 km/h over the speed limit.

Police were able to stop both vehicles on Caswell Drive, Aranda where the officers identified the drivers and seized the vehicles.

Sergeant Rod Anderson from Traffic Operations said that this type of behaviour is disturbing and the drivers clearly didn’t think about their personal safety and the safety of other road-users.

“This type of behaviour is reckless and highly dangerous. With the speed the vehicles were travelling at, the chances of a fatal collision occurring are high.

“The roads in the ACT are not race tracks. If people are caught driving in this manner their vehicle will be seized and the matter referred to court,” Sergeant Anderson said.

Both men will face the ACT Magistrates Court at a later date, charged with furious, reckless, dangerous driving and organise, promote, take part in a race.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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goggles13 goggles13 8:14 am 31 Mar 12

MightyJoe said :

Oh, and having owned a brand new Crumadore (traded it in after 6mths for my current VW) I know i’d rather be in a VW, Merc or Audi in a highspeed accident (speed limit, not silly driving) rather than the Holden any day of the week.

I got rear ended in my old Audi and there was minimal damage to the car (and me) whereas any other car would have been a write off..

are you sure? until you have the exact same accident in both cars, I don’t believe you.

why has this thread degenerated into a discussion of which car is better to crash in at 160kmh + ?

bottom line is that the tools should not have been doing those speeds in those cars as they put other peoples’ lives in danger.

Sgt.Bungers Sgt.Bungers 10:41 pm 30 Mar 12

MightyJoe said :

No, sorry its Australian laws not allowing it to go that fast…

I’ve driven in Audi’s / VW’s / Merc’s and a Mazda 323 (95 model) on the autobahn and all performed exceptionally well at 160kp/h+

The Mazda less so than the newer cars, the Audi A6 I drove loved 220 though.

Absolutely nothing wrong with driving at speed on a limited access freeway with no at grade intersections, where drivers are expecting other drivers to be travelling quickly.

MightyJoe said :

Agree that 160 on Belconnen Way is excessive, but overall, our speed limits across the highways are a bit too low for safe autobahn driving.]

“Excessive” I’m afraid is quite an understatement. Belconnen Way is an urban road with multiple single grade intersections. Median barriers are intermittent. The road surface for much of it’s length is spray on bitumen. By comparison to the standards of a German autobahn, Belconnen Way is a goat track.

Travelling at 160 – 170 km/h at any point of Belconnen way whilst it’s open to traffic is without question preposterously dangerous. The only people that would even consider travelling at those speeds on Belconnen way would be those who have a genuine lack of self preservation and survival senses… complete apathy towards the safety and well being of other people… and be sincerely ignorant of what can go wrong in a motor vehicle, even within the speed limit.

The only people who would consider travelling at such speeds in an uncontrolled environment will have, without question, grossly over estimated their own driving ability, and are significantly more likely to kill or be killed than other road users.

For their reckless disregard for the safety of others, the two drivers involved deserve nothing less than maximum penalties for each of the charges that they’re facing. Which if I’m not mistaken, will amount to several years in prison.

Sgt.Bungers Sgt.Bungers 10:06 pm 30 Mar 12

Chief Ten Beers said :

Those particular German cars are designed and *built* to go that fast. Unfortunately, just not on the roads in Australia.

No vehicle is designed to go that fast on any road that has at grade intersections, anywhere in the world.

caf caf 10:06 pm 30 Mar 12

KB1971 said :

I happen to work in the motor industry dealing with vehicle standards, I happen to know a bit about this sort of stuff.

I sure hope those standards aren’t based on the sounds the doors make.

MJay MJay 9:41 pm 30 Mar 12

Here I was hoping for 2 pages worth of analysis on which cars bumper would do more damage to a cyclist at 160km/h…

HenryBG HenryBG 9:01 pm 30 Mar 12

PoQ said :

HenryBG said :

PoQ said :

You can come unstuck at any speed.

And the bloke driving a well-engineered German car is less likely to come unstuck than the bloke driving a bodged-together bit of crap like a Commodore.

Do you understand this point, or not?

A mate of mine has a Mercedes. Every time he needs a part for it, they have to send it out from Germany. At least the corner mechanic can get bits for my Crumblydore.

Riiight, so how does “easier to get parts” in any way negate the assertion that the $#!%box is “more likely to get unstuck at excessive speeds”?

I remember when I owned a Holden – when I wanted parts for it, i’d just go down the wreckers with my toolbox and remove the bits I wanted from their vast array of wrecked Holdens, paying them a couple of $$ for each on my way out. Wheels, alternators, door handles, whatever.

As you say, now that I own a well-engineered German car, I have to get proper parts, from proper German people.

Oh, and for the other poster above who objected to “japcrap” – I also own a Toyota – I am a great fan of Toyota, brilliant stuff.
Not too sure about their most recent bizarre canary-yellow HMMW-lookalike thing, though. Fugly or what.

KB1971 KB1971 3:47 pm 30 Mar 12

caf said :

KB1971 said :

caf said :

The feel and sound of the doors being closed in modern cars is specifically engineered to give that “expensive feel”. The manufacturers spend a lot on it because they know that a satisfying clunk sells cars. It doesn’t actually indicate anything about how well it’s made.

Ahh not really, vehicles are built heavier in these areas now for increased occupant protection, the heaveier doors are a result. One of the reasons why your bog stock Commodore has increased from 1200kg to over 1500kg in the last 10 years.

European cars have led the world in occupant protection for decades hence the reason Mercs have the clunk as you close the door.

Yes, really. Here’s one article that mentions the practice. You’re being conditioned and manipulated more than you realise.

Ok it was on TV & the internet so it must be right.

I happen to work in the motor industry dealing with vehicle standards, I happen to know a bit about this sort of stuff.

PoQ PoQ 3:41 pm 30 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

PoQ said :

You can come unstuck at any speed.

And the bloke driving a well-engineered German car is less likely to come unstuck than the bloke driving a bodged-together bit of crap like a Commodore.

Do you understand this point, or not?

So was it your Mercedes the cops impounded? Or do you propose “More votes for decent folks” a la Catch-22’s Texan?

A mate of mine has a Mercedes. Every time he needs a part for it, they have to send it out from Germany. At least the corner mechanic can get bits for my Crumblydore.

rhino rhino 3:16 pm 30 Mar 12

caf said :

Solidarity said :

caf said :

The feel and sound of the doors being closed in modern cars is specifically engineered to give that “expensive feel”. The manufacturers spend a lot on it because they know that a satisfying clunk sells cars. It doesn’t actually indicate anything about how well it’s made.

Mercs have always had that clunk, they’ve also always been regarded as the worlds safest cars. Sure manufacturers these days just fill the gaps up with sound deadening but theres more to it than just a clunk. This thing called engineering. Have you ever been in a Merc, old or new? Doesn’t sound like it.

I didn’t say anything about whether Mercedes’ are well or badly engineered. I said that you can’t draw conclusions about the quality of anything other than the acoustic engineering from the sound the doors make, and I stand by that.

(As far as what’s “regarded as” the world’s safest cars, don’t Volvo make some claim to that too?)

Indeed they do. I would believe that too. I heard a claim that they aim to be able to guarantee nobody will ever die in one of their cars again within 20 years (uncertain about the number of years but pretty sure it was about that). They plan on making them tanks haha.

caf caf 2:45 pm 30 Mar 12

Solidarity said :

caf said :

The feel and sound of the doors being closed in modern cars is specifically engineered to give that “expensive feel”. The manufacturers spend a lot on it because they know that a satisfying clunk sells cars. It doesn’t actually indicate anything about how well it’s made.

Mercs have always had that clunk, they’ve also always been regarded as the worlds safest cars. Sure manufacturers these days just fill the gaps up with sound deadening but theres more to it than just a clunk. This thing called engineering. Have you ever been in a Merc, old or new? Doesn’t sound like it.

I didn’t say anything about whether Mercedes’ are well or badly engineered. I said that you can’t draw conclusions about the quality of anything other than the acoustic engineering from the sound the doors make, and I stand by that.

(As far as what’s “regarded as” the world’s safest cars, don’t Volvo make some claim to that too?)

caf caf 2:37 pm 30 Mar 12

KB1971 said :

caf said :

The feel and sound of the doors being closed in modern cars is specifically engineered to give that “expensive feel”. The manufacturers spend a lot on it because they know that a satisfying clunk sells cars. It doesn’t actually indicate anything about how well it’s made.

Ahh not really, vehicles are built heavier in these areas now for increased occupant protection, the heaveier doors are a result. One of the reasons why your bog stock Commodore has increased from 1200kg to over 1500kg in the last 10 years.

European cars have led the world in occupant protection for decades hence the reason Mercs have the clunk as you close the door.

Yes, really. Here’s one article that mentions the practice. You’re being conditioned and manipulated more than you realise.

Captain RAAF Captain RAAF 2:34 pm 30 Mar 12
Captain RAAF Captain RAAF 2:33 pm 30 Mar 12

Fools, there was no way they’d have gotten away with those speeds in German cars! They needed MOPAR power to have any chance of escape, as we all know it takes a MOPAR to catch a MOPAR and the plods don’t have any!!

rhino rhino 2:23 pm 30 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

harvyk1 said :

p1 said :

The Merc is far less likely to end up wrapped around a tree than the Oz/Jap-crap white Commodore is.

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I do take exception to the Jap-crap part though. As there are many good japanese cars around. Even of the performance older variety. Often with modified suspension for superior handling, upgraded brakes, performance tyres with far better grip, and even a roll-cage in some cases. All up, these modifications can make the Jap-crap car perform better than a new more expensive Merc. Especially since they would weigh considerably less and brake to a stop far quicker with the decent brakes and sticky tyres. And swerve around obstacles with ease with the massively upgraded handling.

I find it odd that some of those modifications are targetted by police. I mean maybe a massive supercharger sticking out of the bonnet blocking your view and making the car difficult to handle could be a bad thing, but better brakes, suspension, tyres, wider wheels etc. All are safety measures.

rhino rhino 2:14 pm 30 Mar 12

PoQ said :

HenryBG said :

PoQ said :

You can come unstuck at any speed.

And the bloke driving a well-engineered German car is less likely to come unstuck than the bloke driving a bodged-together bit of crap like a Commodore.

Do you understand this point, or not?

Aww, get off your high-horse, before you rear-end a bus.

How is that being on a high horse? Wouldn’t he have to be making moral judgements about other people to be on a high horse? I got the impression he was discussing the physical elements at play.

MightyJoe MightyJoe 2:13 pm 30 Mar 12

Oh, and having owned a brand new Crumadore (traded it in after 6mths for my current VW) I know i’d rather be in a VW, Merc or Audi in a highspeed accident (speed limit, not silly driving) rather than the Holden any day of the week.

I got rear ended in my old Audi and there was minimal damage to the car (and me) whereas any other car would have been a write off..

MightyJoe MightyJoe 2:10 pm 30 Mar 12

No, sorry its Australian laws not allowing it to go that fast…

I’ve driven in Audi’s / VW’s / Merc’s and a Mazda 323 (95 model) on the autobahn and all performed exceptionally well at 160kp/h+

The Mazda less so than the newer cars, the Audi A6 I drove loved 220 though.

Agree that 160 on Belconnen Way is excessive, but overall, our speed limits across the highways are a bit too low for safe autobahn driving.

Chief Ten Beers said :

Those particular German cars are designed and *built* to go that fast. Unfortunately, just not on the roads in Australia.

PoQ PoQ 2:06 pm 30 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

PoQ said :

You can come unstuck at any speed.

And the bloke driving a well-engineered German car is less likely to come unstuck than the bloke driving a bodged-together bit of crap like a Commodore.

Do you understand this point, or not?

Aww, get off your high-horse, before you rear-end a bus.

HenryBG HenryBG 12:58 pm 30 Mar 12

PoQ said :

You can come unstuck at any speed.

And the bloke driving a well-engineered German car is less likely to come unstuck than the bloke driving a bodged-together bit of crap like a Commodore.

Do you understand this point, or not?

rhino rhino 11:29 am 30 Mar 12

Sgt.Bungers said :

PoQ said :

I’m more concerned that Mr Griffiths called the vehicles in question “autos”. The ACT Policing doesn’t mention whether the cars were automatics or manuals, and in either case, why would the car’s gearbox decide the headline?

All of my automobile’s have manual transmissions 🙂

Same. If they were automatic, they deserved to be seized. lol

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