20 March 2007

Hostage Negotiators attend troubled "Parkview" Development

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In yet another blow for the residents of the Parkview complex in Holt, AFP officers attended again on Sunday, this time for a domestic disturbance.

Another occupant has moved in to an apartment with a history of bad behaviour, and on Sunday afternoon, was heard to be assaulting his female partner. It has been alleged that a vacuum cleaner was thrown at the women, and she was kicked while on the ground.

Triple-0 was called immediately, and several officers attended. Being unable to gain access to the apartment in question, a number of negotiators attended and took 90 minutes to gain access to the apartment and question the residents.

It is further alleged that two officers were observed with their weapons unholstered and pointed at the door of the apartment, and that there was an SRS Team on standby in Weston.

It beggers belief, that, after all the fuss and commotion, the AFP failed to take anyone away, despite allegedly seeing drug paraphanelia within the apartment.

The AFP continue to attend the complex, but never seem to take any action with regard to the resident who is continually causing distress, mental anguish and a general feeling of unsafety to other residents.

What needs to happen before the AFP will take action ?

[ED (Ntp): There to be some evidence of an offence perhaps?]

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Murrumbateman Dave7:18 pm 06 Apr 07

Seepi,

If you feel unsafe in the ACT move away. Don’t come out this way as your complaing wouldn’t go down well with the locals. I would suggest the other side of the moon, or are you scared of the dark too!!

all good mael 😛

Apologies for my shoddy linky skills.

If everybody lets the Queenslander in them go for a minute, who ever said that it was necessary to wade into a crowd of drunken youths in inferior odds with a high percentile chance of getting the shiite kicked out of yourself ?

(An observation similar to jackass Queenslanders who allow the bundy to do the talking for them)

Standing on your balcony laughing your head off at them is just as effective a deterrant than running about the place like . Try laughing at somebody next time you want to make them uncomfortable, it’s really unnerving.

I won’t comment on that particular matter further other than to say you may be proven incorrect there

My understanding is he was intervening in a fight already started between his bouncer and the now deceased.

I will again reiterate, intervention

Maurizio Rao?

What the Police said would be more than obvious to me.

“and in some cases even fatal.” When was the last fatal fight intervention in the ACT? And I’m talking intervention….not fight.

As for your boxer mate anecdote, well I suggest there is far more to it than your ‘boxer’ mate explained. If it was as clear cut as you explained then he would not have been prosecuted (and was he??).

My uncle’s, cousin’s brother told me how his step-sister’s niece knew a mate who knew something about it.

My neighbours had a noisy party a few weeks ago. About 100 people there, all pissed. I went over and asked them if they could turn it down a bit. They said sorry and they did. It wasn’t hard

“why didnt you grow a spine and confront them”

Option 1: Confront them face to face. All of a sudden it is 1 good person vs 3 aggressive drunks, each who had rocks and sticks/poles. – Too many times this option has proved a bad idea, and in some cases even fatal.
Option 2: Address the issue from a distance, which would have to have been from my apartment balcony. The individuals then know where I live. Due to work, I spend massive amounts of time away and leave the girl home alone. Not such a good.

Just let me know which option is best?

A guy I used to go to school with was in a similar situation about 2 years ago, he used to be a boxer and when one of the youths started to swing at him, he dropped the idiot with a haymaker. Does anyone want to guess who faced assault charges??? He spent 5 months, and considerable cash trying to get the charges dropped. You know what the police said, “you should have just stayed away and called the police”.

Bullshit they did

“To me, if property crime never gets attended, because there is always a personal crime taking precedence, this means we need more police. It doens’t mean people should just shut up about property crime.”

FYI there has been, for the last 7 years or so, a dedicated property crime team. No one has asked anyone to shut up about property crime. I’ve locked up more property crime offenders than you’ve had hot breakfasts. Start speaking with some maturity instead of this insipid juvenile piffle

Yes, but they brought them back a few hours later.

Seepi,

That incident obviously makes them an offender, however you also state that Police are reluctant to remove violent offenders. I hardly believe that the Police would have been reluctant to remove someone who has stabbed another.

“It is incidences like this that add to my perception that the ACT is not a safe place to live.”

Lol the paranoia is amazing Seepi I happen to work in the worlds so called shit holes such as Angola, Congo, Nigeria etc etc you realy need to have a good think about your situation in life if you really believe that Canberra is a dangerous place to live. If in fact you really do may I suggest that you avail your self to qantas holidays and spend a few months on a tropical island somewhere you sound like you need it.

And the police may feel that they answer only to government response times, but most of the public feel that the police are there to protect them.

And we’ve done prioritising before. To me, if property crime never gets attended, because there is always a personal crime taking precedence, this means we need more police. It doens’t mean people should just shut up about property crime.

In the incident near me, one person was stabbing another – if that doesn’t make them an offender, what does?

Go open a can of Seepi citizen-arrest woop ass on them!

Police response times while responding to ongoing violent assault are very, very good.

sb – why didnt you grow a spine and confront them (albeit from a distance if you so desire) and say that the cops were on their way ?

By not actively contributing to the solution you become part of the problem .

Hell if I knew you could have stopped them and you did not and one of the cars was mine – I would be more annoyed at you than the cops.

I’m with vg on this one

Well make that clear rather than have a blanket whinge about the coppers when you have no idea of the background.

While someone’s car was being damaged they could have dealing with a person who was being damaged. You tell me what should take priority

vg, take a deep breath. I am def not assuming they were “living it up at the station” and I am well aware that there are other jobs in the area. As I said, cops do a great job, but I call it as I see it. 20 minutes after I called, the individuals were still beating the hell out of some poor persons car. I am not blaming the individual cops, is it because they are short staffed? or is it because the legal systems (and the slap on the wrist approach) allows this type of behaviour (both bashing cars and diturbing the peace by activating alarms for no reason). It is not the cops, it is the system.

Don’t criticise the police, their response times are set by the government. Criticise the judiciary, they make up the legislation and sentencing guidelines themselves. Police good. Judiciary bad.

That sound you hear is reality smacking Seepi in the moosh

Surely if people do not feel safe in their neighbourhood/homes, it is with some justification and does not require an arbiter. And anyone can allege…

shoud read

they have to commit an offence!

Seepi,

For a person to be an offender that have to commit an offence! What offence was committed. You cant just remove someone without a reason.

“The only action I saw was a police car drive around at about 6:30, an hour later.”

So what you’re suggesting is the police were living it up in the station and not bothered to attend? There’s more than 1 job a day in Canberra, and not an omnipresent police force

You having no idea won’t change mine either. ACT Police comply with response times set by the Govt. If you have a problem with that blame them.

Reluctant to move violent offenders my ass. I’ll vouch you’ve never had to deal with an angry man in your life, I do it daily.

We are recruiting. Feel free to sign up. I’ll vouch it would be too scary for you

VG in between the victim and the bystanders are the petrified neighbours. DJ indicated that noone can offer an opinion unless they were briefed by the police. You have said police do not brief anyone but the victim. Ergo the public is not allowed to form opinions about frightening events occuring next door? When police are known to have very slow response times, and are reluctant to remove violent offenders, those who live near them do not feel safe. I’m not having a go at anyone. I’m telling you how I feel. Being rude to me will not change my mind.

At about 5:30am last week (can’t remember the day), I was woken by a group of drunk guys smashing up cars right out the front of the apartments at Parkview. I called the police, even gave a detailed description of the individuals. The only action I saw was a police car drive around at about 6:30, an hour later.

I feel sorry for the individuals who now have to cough up hundreds, if not thousands to repair their cars.

Whilst I won’t open all out war on the police as they do a great job, is a one hour response all that reasonable.

Another bullshit extraction of ‘facts’ from a situation someone knows nothing about.

Police allege things. To you they either did or didn’t happen. The only thing you have correct is that there was an incident. All the rest is bollocks. There is always an SRS team on call.

“Also, in my expereience police do not come back to ‘brief’ residents on what has been done (if anything).”

Well in my 17 years of actually doing it I and my colleagues do quite regularly. The only requirement to ‘brief’ is to victims. Bystanders can find out themselves.

It would behove all to get their collective facts straight before posting piffle such as the above

“It has been alleged that a vacuum cleaner was thrown at the women, and she was kicked while on the ground.”

By who? Unfortunately the Police cant arrest someone without a complaiant. If Police spoke to the woman, and she said that nothing happened, what reason have Police got to arrest the person.

“Residents allege knowledge of the person setting off the fire alarm with aerosol and a lighter.”

Knowledge and evidence are two seperate things!
Setting a fire alarm off may constitute an offence, but would it justify arrest. How do you know the person wasnt summonsed for the offence.

“despite allegedly seeing drug paraphanelia within the apartment.”

Maybe this last one needs to be addressed by our government. It is not an offence to possess a bong, needle etc. I am told it used to be an offence to “use drugs” but the softly softly brigade didnt wanted poor inocent drug users locked up because of their addiction. (I am happy to be corrected on this one as this is only what I was told)

MrEvil – except there have been so many evacs recently, nobody bothers to leave now….

A moli through a window at 2am should sort this problem out! 🙂

Well, it works in Baghdad!

ntp – it’s my understanding that tampering with fire safety equipment (such as setting off fire alarms deliberately) is an offence.
Residents allege knowledge of the person setting off the fire alarm with aerosol and a lighter.

apehammer, persons present at the scene.

It’s NOT an act housing apartment. The persons who have moved in, are living in the apartment in conjunction with the existing occupant.

DJ – what do I lack?

It is incidences like this that add to my perception that the ACT is not a safe place to live.

I also find that usually the police are very active when they want something from residents – eg doorknocking for witnesses and information, but very hard to find when residents would like something done. Also, in my expereience police do not come back to ‘brief’ residents on what has been done (if anything).

Hey Apey, don’t knock Shirley in Flat 5. She knows her shit man

Seepi,

In relation to the stabbing you mentioned – who said it achieved nothing? Was it the victim? Were you briefed on why the person was taken away in the first place? Are you a witness that has not approached Police with information that could have kept this person in custody?

Or are you simply just another whiner with no knowledge of the real world and thought that by having a go at the Police you could make up for something you lack?

It has been alleged…It is further alleged etc etc
By whom? Police? Courts? Shirley in flat five?

Canberra police are totally toothless tigers.
There was a stabbing in flats near me. Hordes of police arrived, cordoned off a crime scene, doorknocked the street, took someone away.

Then dropped him back a few hours later. All those resources to achieve nothing.

Think it’s disgraceful that ACT Housing should move anyone into “an apartment with a history of bad behaviour”… 😉

it’s not ACT housing.
There are issues involved regarding the ownership of the apartment in question. It would be a different issue if it was simply a tenant.

Even if the AFP did take the guy away her would be back doing the same thing the next week anyway.
I am not sure what type of housing this is, but the guy causing the trouble should be evicted for disturbing the “quite peace and enjoyment” of the other tenants property.
That said, if it is ACT Housing who own the place – good luck. they don’t seem to give a shit about the distress their tenants cause neibouring property – as long as they are paying their rent.

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