Hovercraft tours on Lake Burley Griffin?

Thanks JessP, I agree I think it would be a great attraction for our fair state. I will organise some video links today to show the intended craft in operation. Another benifit of the craft is that it is made in Australia, the plant is located in Melbourne. The operator has extensive boating experiance and a coxswain’s licence. Hopefully if all goes well, everybody who induldges in the activity will certainly enjoy themselves, and I feel a good majority of Canberra will enjoy seeing the craft, some won’t and some won’t care, but 90% will enjoy it if they went for a joyride on it. I noticed in a thread a while back that it was mentioned that passengers wore earmuffs. this is not really for engine and fan noise, it is for wind noise passing across your years. We’ve all being in very windy days and noticed how noisy the wind can get crossing your years. I’ll line up those links, thankyou for your interest regardless of the tangents this thread has drifted off on 🙂

Antagonist said :

kingcosworth said :

“For vehicles certified prior to ADR 83/00, Schedule 1 of the Regulation specifies the prescribed noise levels. For cars built before January 1983, the maximum noise level is 96 decibels and for newer cars the level is 90 decibels. For motorcycles built on or after 1 March 1984, and designed or manufactured for use on a road, the level is 94 decibels. The noise level for other motorcycles is 100 decibels.

Your quote is actually a paraphrase that has lost accuracy in trying to simplify things for idiots like you to understand. Here is one from the legislation itself (I have dumbed it down for you by italicising the important bits):

Stationary noise levels — car-type vehicles and motor bikes and trikes (1) In this rule: car-type vehicle means: (a) a car; or (b) a utility truck, panel van, or another motor vehicle derived from a car design; or (c) another motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels that is built mainly to carry not over 9 people including the driver. (2) The stationary noise level of a car-type vehicle, or motor bike or trike, must not exceed: (a) for a car-type vehicle built after 1982 — 90 dB(A); or (b) for another car-type vehicle — 96 dB(A); or (c) for a motor bike or trike built after February 1985 — 94 dB(A); or (d) for another motor bike or trike — 100 dB(A).

Done here now 🙂

I’ve had enough of this conversation, and the fact you only seem to be able to correspond through cheap ridicul. But I hate to break it to you but built after 1982 with no monthly component means the date is the 1 january 1983, I’m done, and I’m sure everybody else on the thread is over it to. find another thread that suits this topic, as this is certainly not the one.

Dear Kingscosworh,

I think this sounds like a great idea. Hope you get this business going.

JessP.

kingcosworth said :

“For vehicles certified prior to ADR 83/00, Schedule 1 of the Regulation specifies the prescribed noise levels. For cars built before January 1983, the maximum noise level is 96 decibels and for newer cars the level is 90 decibels. For motorcycles built on or after 1 March 1984, and designed or manufactured for use on a road, the level is 94 decibels. The noise level for other motorcycles is 100 decibels.

Your quote is actually a paraphrase that has lost accuracy in trying to simplify things for idiots like you to understand. Here is one from the legislation itself (I have dumbed it down for you by italicising the important bits):

Stationary noise levels — car-type vehicles and motor bikes and trikes (1) In this rule: car-type vehicle means: (a) a car; or (b) a utility truck, panel van, or another motor vehicle derived from a car design; or (c) another motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels that is built mainly to carry not over 9 people including the driver. (2) The stationary noise level of a car-type vehicle, or motor bike or trike, must not exceed: (a) for a car-type vehicle built after 1982 — 90 dB(A); or (b) for another car-type vehicle — 96 dB(A); or (c) for a motor bike or trike built after February 1985 — 94 dB(A); or (d) for another motor bike or trike — 100 dB(A).

Done here now 🙂

kingcosworth, this detail will be lost on most of us. Concerned about accessible facts about the actual hovercraft you plan to use? What are the specs, what is the model, and is there footage demonstrating just how quiet it is that you can share? e.g. the headphones used in the youtube I posted aren’t needed? People taking a quiet walk along the lakeshore won’t be disturbed?

Antagonist said :

kingcosworth said :

Antagonist said :

kingcosworth said :

For example, post 92 cars do have a 90dB limit … My Commodore on the othe hand, built before 1 july 1983 has a static dB limit of 96dB …

You better go back and check on your dates there. The key date is 1/7/1980, which is why a 1979 XD Falcon is allowed 96dB while a 1981 XD Falcon is only allowed 90dB (ADR 23A refers). Your POS Commodore (which is probably white too!) for the purposes of the ADRs is a ‘car’ and not a ‘car like vehicle’.

Enjoy your plan B – w@nking somewhere else.

For vehicles certified prior to ADR 83/00, Schedule 1 of the Regulation specifies the prescribed noise levels. For cars built before January 1983, the maximum noise level is 96 decibels and for newer cars the level is 90 decibels. For motorcycles built on or after 1 March 1984, and designed or manufactured for use on a road, the level is 94 decibels. The noise level for other motorcycles is 100 decibels.

I think I’ll plan B it in you favourite drink

Incorrect again. Read the ADR and the definitions contained therein. If you and your dumb buddy cannot get it right, you have no hope of getting this idea off the ground.

As for what kinky business you do in your mates get up to behind closed doors, well, we don’t want to know about it.

Not quite

Antagonist said :

kingcosworth said :

Antagonist said :

kingcosworth said :

For example, post 92 cars do have a 90dB limit … My Commodore on the othe hand, built before 1 july 1983 has a static dB limit of 96dB …

You better go back and check on your dates there. The key date is 1/7/1980, which is why a 1979 XD Falcon is allowed 96dB while a 1981 XD Falcon is only allowed 90dB (ADR 23A refers). Your POS Commodore (which is probably white too!) for the purposes of the ADRs is a ‘car’ and not a ‘car like vehicle’.

Enjoy your plan B – w@nking somewhere else.

For vehicles certified prior to ADR 83/00, Schedule 1 of the Regulation specifies the prescribed noise levels. For cars built before January 1983, the maximum noise level is 96 decibels and for newer cars the level is 90 decibels. For motorcycles built on or after 1 March 1984, and designed or manufactured for use on a road, the level is 94 decibels. The noise level for other motorcycles is 100 decibels.

I think I’ll plan B it in you favourite drink

Incorrect again. Read the ADR and the definitions contained therein. If you and your dumb buddy cannot get it right, you have no hope of getting this idea off the ground.

As for what kinky business you do in your mates get up to behind closed doors, well, we don’t want to know about it.

A/ my buddy has nothing to do with it, and here is a qoute from the NSW EPA

“For vehicles certified prior to ADR 83/00, Schedule 1 of the Regulation specifies the prescribed noise levels. For cars built before January 1983, the maximum noise level is 96 decibels and for newer cars the level is 90 decibels. For motorcycles built on or after 1 March 1984, and designed or manufactured for use on a road, the level is 94 decibels. The noise level for other motorcycles is 100 decibels.

kingcosworth said :

Antagonist said :

kingcosworth said :

For example, post 92 cars do have a 90dB limit … My Commodore on the othe hand, built before 1 july 1983 has a static dB limit of 96dB …

You better go back and check on your dates there. The key date is 1/7/1980, which is why a 1979 XD Falcon is allowed 96dB while a 1981 XD Falcon is only allowed 90dB (ADR 23A refers). Your POS Commodore (which is probably white too!) for the purposes of the ADRs is a ‘car’ and not a ‘car like vehicle’.

Enjoy your plan B – w@nking somewhere else.

For vehicles certified prior to ADR 83/00, Schedule 1 of the Regulation specifies the prescribed noise levels. For cars built before January 1983, the maximum noise level is 96 decibels and for newer cars the level is 90 decibels. For motorcycles built on or after 1 March 1984, and designed or manufactured for use on a road, the level is 94 decibels. The noise level for other motorcycles is 100 decibels.

I think I’ll plan B it in you favourite drink

Incorrect again. Read the ADR and the definitions contained therein. If you and your dumb buddy cannot get it right, you have no hope of getting this idea off the ground.

As for what kinky business you do in your mates get up to behind closed doors, well, we don’t want to know about it.

maxblues said :

Or what about…start at Gungahlin, come down Flemington Rd and Northbourne Ave, across LBG to the Bermuda Short Triangle and save a sh*tload of money by replacing the tram. A 6 seater should be sufficient.

Gold.

Antagonist said :

kingcosworth said :

For example, post 92 cars do have a 90dB limit … My Commodore on the othe hand, built before 1 july 1983 has a static dB limit of 96dB …

You better go back and check on your dates there. The key date is 1/7/1980, which is why a 1979 XD Falcon is allowed 96dB while a 1981 XD Falcon is only allowed 90dB (ADR 23A refers). Your POS Commodore (which is probably white too!) for the purposes of the ADRs is a ‘car’ and not a ‘car like vehicle’.

Enjoy your plan B – w@nking somewhere else.

For vehicles certified prior to ADR 83/00, Schedule 1 of the Regulation specifies the prescribed noise levels. For cars built before January 1983, the maximum noise level is 96 decibels and for newer cars the level is 90 decibels. For motorcycles built on or after 1 March 1984, and designed or manufactured for use on a road, the level is 94 decibels. The noise level for other motorcycles is 100 decibels.

I think I’ll plan B it in you favourite drink

kingcosworth said :

For example, post 92 cars do have a 90dB limit … My Commodore on the othe hand, built before 1 july 1983 has a static dB limit of 96dB …

You better go back and check on your dates there. The key date is 1/7/1980, which is why a 1979 XD Falcon is allowed 96dB while a 1981 XD Falcon is only allowed 90dB (ADR 23A refers). Your POS Commodore (which is probably white too!) for the purposes of the ADRs is a ‘car’ and not a ‘car like vehicle’.

Enjoy your plan B – w@nking somewhere else.

kingcosworth said :

To answer some of the questions, firstly the dB questions. we where trying to bypass these questions because the concept of audio and dB is extremly complicated and it seemed, with no offence intended, for the most part the theory was going above peoples heads and we didn’t want to start another serious of arguments. For example, post 92 cars do have a 90dB limit at the tail pipe and a 77dB drive by limit which is 25m at 50km/h The tail pipe test is conducted with the microphone at 500mm and at a 45deg angle to the pipe, the engine is brought to max revs and brought back to idle as quickly as possible. My Commodore on the othe hand, built before 1 july 1983 has a static dB limit of 96dB, mic position is the same but the engine nedds to be brought up to 3600 rpm as quickly as posible then brought back to idle.

The Hovercraft is not operating in Harvey bay as the plan was to get the operation passed here first to create a year round income to service the cost of the vehicle. Having said that, the business concept is fully approved in Harvey Bay and my friend has had multiple offers for the purchase of the name and the council approval. A lot of the total business plan hinges on Canberra, but due to Canberra’s enormous fun police force, there is certainly a plan B to allow the operation of the business, unfortunatly Canberra most likely miss it….. again

Mate honestly I’m all for development and new ideas and I’m an optimist. I try to see how things can get done first not the other way round which is what reason can we find to make sure this doesn’t happen. This is the usual attitude for a lot of people in Canberra and its disheartening. I will say this comparing a business that operates on the ocean to one operating on the Lakes here is wrong enclosed lakes pose a lot of problems and the lakes here are actually very small. So you have to consider that. The only way you could do it is get one of these hovercrafts here and test it out they dont have very good manoeuvrability like lots of side slip in turns which is a problem here not not on the ocean.

Unless the actual model of hovercraft is disclosed, we won’t know the db level, and you’ll seem to be dissembling, OP.

To answer some of the questions, firstly the dB questions. we where trying to bypass these questions because the concept of audio and dB is extremly complicated and it seemed, with no offence intended, for the most part the theory was going above peoples heads and we didn’t want to start another serious of arguments. For example, post 92 cars do have a 90dB limit at the tail pipe and a 77dB drive by limit which is 25m at 50km/h The tail pipe test is conducted with the microphone at 500mm and at a 45deg angle to the pipe, the engine is brought to max revs and brought back to idle as quickly as possible. My Commodore on the othe hand, built before 1 july 1983 has a static dB limit of 96dB, mic position is the same but the engine nedds to be brought up to 3600 rpm as quickly as posible then brought back to idle.

The Hovercraft is not operating in Harvey bay as the plan was to get the operation passed here first to create a year round income to service the cost of the vehicle. Having said that, the business concept is fully approved in Harvey Bay and my friend has had multiple offers for the purchase of the name and the council approval. A lot of the total business plan hinges on Canberra, but due to Canberra’s enormous fun police force, there is certainly a plan B to allow the operation of the business, unfortunatly Canberra most likely miss it….. again

shauno said :

To make it interesting and seeing as hovercrafts can go on land as well. Start the tour on Lake Ginninderra and and go across country and end on Lake Burley Griffin

Or what about…start at Gungahlin, come down Flemington Rd and Northbourne Ave, across LBG to the Bermuda Short Triangle and save a sh*tload of money by replacing the tram. A 6 seater should be sufficient.

poetix said :

Antagonist said :

johnboy said :

How about everyone stop being beastly to everyone else.

Its must be the heat. Or perhaps something in the water. Nothing a quick spin on a blue-green algae infested lake in an awesome hovercraft cannot fix 🙂

So long as there is James Bond music.

A hoverbar serving craft beer and martinis would not be wrong, either.

I like your idea, especially the 007 music, as for the Blue/Green Algae, that is the NCA’s responsibility to keep under control. I love been controlled by competent authorities.

To make it interesting and seeing as hovercrafts can go on land as well. Start the tour on Lake Ginninderra and and go across country and end on Lake Burley Griffin

inside_info said :

LOL top thread, would read again.

kingcosworth, any plans to offer transfers to and from the lake in your fully sick ‘PIMPN’ 1992 Ford Falcon limo?

Regards
Nate Dogg

Now I do know Nate Dogg, for about 15 years now, but he no longer owns the PIMPIN limo, it got sold about 3 years ago. My rides are a 1979 Turbo YB Cosworth Mk2 2 door Ford Escort, and a 1982 355 VH Commodore. It would be wonderful to be able to use them somewhere in Canberra..(rant) It was sad to see the limo go though, it used to be great to go to Sydney and Melbourne and so forth in in. I hope this helps prove that I, Kingcosworth and HOVERFUN-TOURS are 2 completly different people.

johnboy said :

How about everyone stop being beastly to everyone else.

The decision to run the story was mine alone.

Surely that should be “ever so beastly”?

Antagonist said :

johnboy said :

How about everyone stop being beastly to everyone else.

Its must be the heat. Or perhaps something in the water. Nothing a quick spin on a blue-green algae infested lake in an awesome hovercraft cannot fix 🙂

So long as there is James Bond music.

A hoverbar serving craft beer and martinis would not be wrong, either.

johnboy said :

How about everyone stop being beastly to everyone else.

Its must be the heat. Or perhaps something in the water. Nothing a quick spin on a blue-green algae infested lake in an awesome hovercraft cannot fix 🙂

LOL top thread, would read again.

kingcosworth, any plans to offer transfers to and from the lake in your fully sick ‘PIMPN’ 1992 Ford Falcon limo?

Regards
Nate Dogg

kingcosworth said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Who says I’m angry, kingcosworth? I was just pointing out that you didn’t even bother to read the link before attacking c_c.

Hello Queen-of-the-Bun, I certainly did not mean to lump you into the angry, non conscructive members of this thread. So I apologise whole heartly. Your right, I should have spent more time readin c-c’s post, but to be honest, now that I have, it is still just as pointless as what would be expected of the flamer that he is

So are you (or your “friend”) going to answer the questions with answers still outstanding?

e.g.

maxblues said :

Hi Kingcosworth, your mate Nathan has invited constructive comments on how to make his business a ‘better fit’. To help formulate some of those constructive comments, I have asked some questions above, but he hasn’t got back to us. Maybe you could answer them for him?

Or are you just going to stick to the astroturfing/steamrolling routine?

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Who says I’m angry, kingcosworth? I was just pointing out that you didn’t even bother to read the link before attacking c_c.

Hello Queen-of-the-Bun, I certainly did not mean to lump you into the angry, non conscructive members of this thread. So I apologise whole heartly. Your right, I should have spent more time readin c-c’s post, but to be honest, now that I have, it is still just as pointless as what would be expected of the flamer that he is

Holden Caulfield said :

kingcosworth said :

Zan I can assure you there is no conspirasy or anything sinister involved with the writing of this forum between my friend and myself, some people still help each other these days. I had a look at the link that you offered, and your right, it does not mention that the business is not operationmal yet, but if you look at this link, which is the main business link, it outlines the fact it is not running in bold. http://www.hoverfuntours.com.au/. Purely an oversight, which I will mention to him Yes my friend has run multiple business’s in the past, some he still runs, I can not see why this is a sinister issue, not everyone has to work in the public service. Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea. And from what I can gather apart from the very confused people regarding audio (dB) levels and a couple of others, people think it would be a fun idea. People in Australia though even if they think something is a good idea, if the government says no than it is always left at at that. Which is why I am not allowed to to a 1/3 of the thing I sused to be able to do as an adolesent.

That is f@%king brilliant!

Thankyou, but I apologize regarding the spelling and grammar within the text.

Postalgeek said :

kingcosworth said :

Why do you feel that me trying to help my friend with market research is strange…. is the fact that I’m helping a friend, or the fact that you don’t understand the concept of ongoing market research. frankly i’m finding it strange that you feel this is some sort of conspiricy and simply can’t take it on face value. If that is your belief, so be it, simply state you don’t like it and leave it at that, why turn it into the JFK assasination??? The name was registered at the same time as the business in Harvey Bay was registered, and that red tape went through in about 6 weeks, he was not expecting the mountains of discresionary hoops that keep getting invented down here. Basically he was expecting to have been able to operate down here much sooner. In Harvey bay, the pickup point for passengers is next to the main street, the vessel is allowed to venture across the top of the Great Barrier Reef, the vessel can be moreed on Fraser Island and can be used for whale watching. With all these far more delicate environmental conditions approved up north, Canberra was thought to be a bit easier than what would usually be expected, but not so. And who’s to say that market research wasn’t done at that time. Nothing here has been discussed regarding water zoning, mooring, comprimised speed limits, operating hours, pricing, fuel useage, multiple visits to the manufactuer, uniform design, marketing concepts etc etc, and if my friend has mentioned any of these things, that was part of the initial research. As for the website you can’t let go of, that is not the official sight, it is a third party site and it will not allow you to add extra text stating that the business is pending, also if you try to purchase a ticket through it, it will not let you. The OFFICIAL site does however state that the business is pending. And if you have ever run your own business, there are always teething troubles, things that can’t be forseen, so what is the problem with asking people/potential clients opinions before/if the craft hits the water, it may just help cut through some of the teething troubles. and as a by product of this market research (and you’ll find that many well established businesses continue with market research for the duration of there operation as to help to keep them running more efficiently). And if a byproduct of operating the thread the NCA takes a closer look at the business proposal, and a few people learn that the company exists and is trying to get through the red tape, honestly, what is the harm…. why is that such a major problem.

Use the return key and making some paragraphs, otherwise you’re wasting your time because no-one is going to waste their time wading through a wall of text.

Thanks Postalgeek, your right, a single long paragraph is a bit much, I’ll break it up, thanks for the advice 🙂

kingcosworth said :

Zan I can assure you there is no conspirasy or anything sinister involved with the writing of this forum between my friend and myself, some people still help each other these days. I had a look at the link that you offered, and your right, it does not mention that the business is not operationmal yet, but if you look at this link, which is the main business link, it outlines the fact it is not running in bold. http://www.hoverfuntours.com.au/. Purely an oversight, which I will mention to him Yes my friend has run multiple business’s in the past, some he still runs, I can not see why this is a sinister issue, not everyone has to work in the public service. Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea. And from what I can gather apart from the very confused people regarding audio (dB) levels and a couple of others, people think it would be a fun idea. People in Australia though even if they think something is a good idea, if the government says no than it is always left at at that. Which is why I am not allowed to to a 1/3 of the thing I sused to be able to do as an adolesent.

That is f@%king brilliant!

Can we do dodgy James Bond chase scenes? Live and Let Die springs to mind.

That might be fun, especially if it involves taking out a few minions on Segways.

Who says I’m angry, kingcosworth? I was just pointing out that you didn’t even bother to read the link before attacking c_c.

maxblues said :

HOVERFUN_TOURS said :

farnarkler said :

I used to love going on the Isle of Wight hovercraft from Pompey to Ryde. They certainly are noisy when they get up and go.

Some cars are fast. Are all cars fast?
Some planes do aerobatics. Do all planes do aerobatics?
Some people drink alcohol. Do all %u2026%u2026. well i’m sure you get what i’m saying.

Some hovercrafts are noisy – very noisy. Does this mean all hovercraft are noisy? No%u2026

As i mentioned, 78dB is%u2026%u2026 78dB. Is it louder than a whisper – much.
Is it quieter than your lawnmower – much.

And how long will you be exposed to the noise for? About 10 seconds – until i pass by and fade into silence. Then you might get another 10 seconds if i come by in an hours time

I don’t mean to be rude, and I make my comment with all respect, but i get frustrated when i read comments (often innocent i know) that put an inaccurate and negative light on what I’m trying to do. I don’t need the money, but i want to do something for Canberra that is fun and beneficial for the community.

I have consciously configured this business for a ‘best-fit’ into the lake community: from a small 6-seater craft to minimise noise, to my operating hours and locations – which are outside the majority of lake activities.

If anyone has any constructive comments on how i could make my business a ‘better-fit’ then i invite (and thank you for) your comments.

Thank you in advance,

HOVER-FUN TOURS

Nathan, four months ago you said you hadn’t yet done a business plan or purchased a hovercraft. How has that progressed for you? Have you started doing rides at Hervey Bay yet and if so, how many per day are you doing, how long do they average and what speeds do the rides reach?

Hi Kingcosworth, your mate Nathan has invited constructive comments on how to make his business a ‘better fit’. To help formulate some of those constructive comments, I have asked some questions above, but he hasn’t got back to us. Maybe you could answer them for him?

shauno said :

Roksteddy said :

shauno said :

Far better would be if they opened up the expanded cotter dam to some water sports and fishing it would be great for tourism and no reason why not.

Well, actually, yes there is.Cotter Dam contains one of the few populations left of the endangered Macquarie perch as well as two-spined blackfish and is redfin and carp free (and it wouldn’t remain that way if opened up to fishing). It is also EHN virus free – which kills Macquarie perch – and that virus can be brought in on water craft

There is more native fish in the catchment now especially Macquarie Perch and Troutcod since the dams have been in place due to drought proofing the system and artificial stocking.

I like fishing as much (probably a lot more) than the next bloke, but this is a stupid idea for a primary water source like the Cotter. A secondary or backup impoundment such as Googong, however, is a very different story.

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/astroturfing

PUBLIC, something constructive to add would have been a better use of our time, I’m sure you understood what I meant, but you can’t build yourself up by putting someone else down by letting it slide can you c_c. Come to think of it, not a single thing you have added to the forum has been remotely constructive…. Do you consider yourself intelligent? Or just plain annoying?

Now the people who have added such comments I am very grateful too, but people like yourself who just get on here and say “your an idiot” doesn’t really add anything, for example, why add a link to a dictionary page because I spelt public wrong, what was your intention, it certainly had nothing to do with a Hovercraft business, and one would assume I can spell public, it was more than likely a typo.

Um, if you actually read the link you will see it is about the term “astroturfing”, in which people attempt to get a discussion happening about their business etc but pretend it is a “grass roots” movement.

If people were on here just to point out your spelling errors, “purly” would have also rated a mention.

Still so much anger, so little useful information!

shauno said :

There is more native fish in the catchment now especially Macquarie Perch and Troutcod since the dams have been in place due to drought proofing the system and artificial stocking.

Partly true. Macquarie perch haven’t been stocked. A small number of trout cod were stocked in the early 90s. Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that if you open it up to fishing, you threaten those populations that the dams are currently providing a refuge for – by direct fishing, introduced species and introduced diseases.

I guess we are getting off topic now and this is a discussion for another forum. I actually have nothing against the hovercraft, but its better suited to the urban lakes.

kingcosworth said :

Why do you feel that me trying to help my friend with market research is strange…. is the fact that I’m helping a friend, or the fact that you don’t understand the concept of ongoing market research. frankly i’m finding it strange that you feel this is some sort of conspiricy and simply can’t take it on face value. If that is your belief, so be it, simply state you don’t like it and leave it at that, why turn it into the JFK assasination??? The name was registered at the same time as the business in Harvey Bay was registered, and that red tape went through in about 6 weeks, he was not expecting the mountains of discresionary hoops that keep getting invented down here. Basically he was expecting to have been able to operate down here much sooner. In Harvey bay, the pickup point for passengers is next to the main street, the vessel is allowed to venture across the top of the Great Barrier Reef, the vessel can be moreed on Fraser Island and can be used for whale watching. With all these far more delicate environmental conditions approved up north, Canberra was thought to be a bit easier than what would usually be expected, but not so. And who’s to say that market research wasn’t done at that time. Nothing here has been discussed regarding water zoning, mooring, comprimised speed limits, operating hours, pricing, fuel useage, multiple visits to the manufactuer, uniform design, marketing concepts etc etc, and if my friend has mentioned any of these things, that was part of the initial research. As for the website you can’t let go of, that is not the official sight, it is a third party site and it will not allow you to add extra text stating that the business is pending, also if you try to purchase a ticket through it, it will not let you. The OFFICIAL site does however state that the business is pending. And if you have ever run your own business, there are always teething troubles, things that can’t be forseen, so what is the problem with asking people/potential clients opinions before/if the craft hits the water, it may just help cut through some of the teething troubles. and as a by product of this market research (and you’ll find that many well established businesses continue with market research for the duration of there operation as to help to keep them running more efficiently). And if a byproduct of operating the thread the NCA takes a closer look at the business proposal, and a few people learn that the company exists and is trying to get through the red tape, honestly, what is the harm…. why is that such a major problem.

Use the return key and making some paragraphs, otherwise you’re wasting your time because no-one is going to waste their time wading through a wall of text.

Roksteddy said :

shauno said :

Far better would be if they opened up the expanded cotter dam to some water sports and fishing it would be great for tourism and no reason why not.

Well, actually, yes there is.Cotter Dam contains one of the few populations left of the endangered Macquarie perch as well as two-spined blackfish and is redfin and carp free (and it wouldn’t remain that way if opened up to fishing). It is also EHN virus free – which kills Macquarie perch – and that virus can be brought in on water craft

There is more native fish in the catchment now especially Macquarie Perch and Troutcod since the dams have been in place due to drought proofing the system and artificial stocking.

c_c™ said :

Cut the bull and stick to the facts.

NIMBY 🙂

Damn I can never do the quoting thing correctly.

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/astroturfing

PUBLIC, something constructive to add would have been a better use of our time, I’m sure you understood what I meant, but you can’t build yourself up by putting someone else down by letting it slide can you c_c. Come to think of it, not a single thing you have added to the forum has been remotely constructive…. Do you consider yourself intelligent? Or just plain annoying?

Now the people who have added such comments I am very grateful too, but people like yourself who just get on here and say “your an idiot” doesn’t really add anything, for example, why add a link to a dictionary page because I spelt public wrong, what was your intention, it certainly had nothing to do with a Hovercraft business, and one would assume I can spell public, it was more than likely a typo.

Um, if you actually read the link you will see it is about the term “astroturfing”, in which people attempt to get a discussion happening about their business etc but pretend it is a “grass roots” movement.

If people were on here just to point out your spelling errors, “purly” would have also rated a mention.

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/astroturfing

PUBLIC, something constructive to add would have been a better use of our time, I’m sure you understood what I meant, but you can’t build yourself up by putting someone else down by letting it slide can you c_c. Come to think of it, not a single thing you have added to the forum has been remotely constructive…. Do you consider yourself intelligent? Or just plain annoying?

Now suspecting that kingscosworth and hoverfun_tours are one in the same. They both have a mean temper when there’s the least interrogation of their plan to profit from public amenities.

See it is the mindset of argumentative, naive people unaware of the facts, who make assumptions that create such huge problems in Canberra to try and create any kind of public activity. Another perplexing atribute you have is that for some reason you still feel that I, Kingcosworth and HOVERFUN-TOURS are the same person. and again I will state that we are two completly different people.

I was hoping that starting this thread that I could obtain constructive feedback from the public regarding approaches my friend should take for his endevour. This obviously includes criticism, which is perfectly fine and essentially sought after as long as it helps add to the overall business plan. Now the people who have added such comments I am very grateful too, but people like yourself who just get on here and say “your an idiot” doesn’t really add anything, for example, why add a link to a dictionary page because I spelt public wrong, what was your intention, it certainly had nothing to do with a Hovercraft business, and one would assume I can spell public, it was more than likely a typo. So what’s your game, why do it, I’ll tell you why, becuase you feel the need to put others down simply for your own entertainment. But then you get all pissy when you get called on your blatent rudeness. And on top of this, when myself and other people (read some of the other comments) claim that your input is annoying, pointless and rude, I’m suprised you get upset when you are spoken to in the same fashion. Now you think that both my friend and I have bad tempers, with my thankfully brief exposure to your personality, I can imagine you come across a lot of bad tempered people. To everybody else who have been adding helpful comments, thankyou very much, and I appriciate your efforts.

Cut the bull and stick to the facts.

Hover-Fun Tours was registered as a business in the ACT on 13 September 2013.

It is frankly strange that you are just doing market research for your friend. And regardless of if that is true or not, the time to do it was back in 2013 before you started the business and engaged local authorities.

But instead the operator has approached the NCA, has built a website to sell tickets for Canberra rides, and gives every impression that they already know what they’re going to do and intend to do it. It’s a bit like a Coal Seem Gas company digging a trench under your town and then sending out a flyer saying we want to engage in community consultation.

So the only conclusion to reach is that this is a bit of promotion, perhaps with the intent of pressuring the NCA into reaching a favourable decision.

Why do you feel that me trying to help my friend with market research is strange…. is the fact that I’m helping a friend, or the fact that you don’t understand the concept of ongoing market research. frankly i’m finding it strange that you feel this is some sort of conspiricy and simply can’t take it on face value. If that is your belief, so be it, simply state you don’t like it and leave it at that, why turn it into the JFK assasination??? The name was registered at the same time as the business in Harvey Bay was registered, and that red tape went through in about 6 weeks, he was not expecting the mountains of discresionary hoops that keep getting invented down here. Basically he was expecting to have been able to operate down here much sooner. In Harvey bay, the pickup point for passengers is next to the main street, the vessel is allowed to venture across the top of the Great Barrier Reef, the vessel can be moreed on Fraser Island and can be used for whale watching. With all these far more delicate environmental conditions approved up north, Canberra was thought to be a bit easier than what would usually be expected, but not so. And who’s to say that market research wasn’t done at that time. Nothing here has been discussed regarding water zoning, mooring, comprimised speed limits, operating hours, pricing, fuel useage, multiple visits to the manufactuer, uniform design, marketing concepts etc etc, and if my friend has mentioned any of these things, that was part of the initial research. As for the website you can’t let go of, that is not the official sight, it is a third party site and it will not allow you to add extra text stating that the business is pending, also if you try to purchase a ticket through it, it will not let you. The OFFICIAL site does however state that the business is pending. And if you have ever run your own business, there are always teething troubles, things that can’t be forseen, so what is the problem with asking people/potential clients opinions before/if the craft hits the water, it may just help cut through some of the teething troubles. and as a by product of this market research (and you’ll find that many well established businesses continue with market research for the duration of there operation as to help to keep them running more efficiently). And if a byproduct of operating the thread the NCA takes a closer look at the business proposal, and a few people learn that the company exists and is trying to get through the red tape, honestly, what is the harm…. why is that such a major problem.

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/astroturfing

PUBLIC, something constructive to add would have been a better use of our time, I’m sure you understood what I meant, but you can’t build yourself up by putting someone else down by letting it slide can you c_c. Come to think of it, not a single thing you have added to the forum has been remotely constructive…. Do you consider yourself intelligent? Or just plain annoying?

Now suspecting that kingscosworth and hoverfun_tours are one in the same. They both have a mean temper when there’s the least interrogation of their plan to profit from public amenities.

See it is the mindset of argumentative, naive people unaware of the facts, who make assumptions that create such huge problems in Canberra to try and create any kind of public activity. Another perplexing atribute you have is that for some reason you still feel that I, Kingcosworth and HOVERFUN-TOURS are the same person. and again I will state that we are two completly different people.

I was hoping that starting this thread that I could obtain constructive feedback from the public regarding approaches my friend should take for his endevour. This obviously includes criticism, which is perfectly fine and essentially sought after as long as it helps add to the overall business plan. Now the people who have added such comments I am very grateful too, but people like yourself who just get on here and say “your an idiot” doesn’t really add anything, for example, why add a link to a dictionary page because I spelt public wrong, what was your intention, it certainly had nothing to do with a Hovercraft business, and one would assume I can spell public, it was more than likely a typo. So what’s your game, why do it, I’ll tell you why, becuase you feel the need to put others down simply for your own entertainment. But then you get all pissy when you get called on your blatent rudeness. And on top of this, when myself and other people (read some of the other comments) claim that your input is annoying, pointless and rude, I’m suprised you get upset when you are spoken to in the same fashion. Now you think that both my friend and I have bad tempers, with my thankfully brief exposure to your personality, I can imagine you come across a lot of bad tempered people. To everybody else who have been adding helpful comments, thankyou very much, and I appriciate your efforts.

Cut the bull and stick to the facts.

Hover-Fun Tours was registered as a business in the ACT on 13 September 2013.

It is frankly strange that you are just doing market research for your friend. And regardless of if that is true or not, the time to do it was back in 2013 before you started the business and engaged local authorities.

But instead the operator has approached the NCA, has built a website to sell tickets for Canberra rides, and gives every impression that they already know what they’re going to do and intend to do it. It’s a bit like a Coal Seem Gas company digging a trench under your town and then sending out a flyer saying we want to engage in community consultation.

So the only conclusion to reach is that this is a bit of promotion, perhaps with the intent of pressuring the NCA into reaching a favourable decision.

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/astroturfing

PUBLIC, something constructive to add would have been a better use of our time, I’m sure you understood what I meant, but you can’t build yourself up by putting someone else down by letting it slide can you c_c. Come to think of it, not a single thing you have added to the forum has been remotely constructive…. Do you consider yourself intelligent? Or just plain annoying?

Now suspecting that kingscosworth and hoverfun_tours are one in the same. They both have a mean temper when there’s the least interrogation of their plan to profit from public amenities.

See it is the mindset of argumentative, naive people unaware of the facts, who make assumptions that create such huge problems in Canberra to try and create any kind of public activity. Another perplexing atribute you have is that for some reason you still feel that I, Kingcosworth and HOVERFUN-TOURS are the same person. and again I will state that we are two completly different people.

I was hoping that starting this thread that I could obtain constructive feedback from the public regarding approaches my friend should take for his endevour. This obviously includes criticism, which is perfectly fine and essentially sought after as long as it helps add to the overall business plan. Now the people who have added such comments I am very grateful too, but people like yourself who just get on here and say “your an idiot” doesn’t really add anything, for example, why add a link to a dictionary page because I spelt public wrong, what was your intention, it certainly had nothing to do with a Hovercraft business, and one would assume I can spell public, it was more than likely a typo. So what’s your game, why do it, I’ll tell you why, becuase you feel the need to put others down simply for your own entertainment. But then you get all pissy when you get called on your blatent rudeness. And on top of this, when myself and other people (read some of the other comments) claim that your input is annoying, pointless and rude, I’m suprised you get upset when you are spoken to in the same fashion. Now you think that both my friend and I have bad tempers, with my thankfully brief exposure to your personality, I can imagine you come across a lot of bad tempered people. To everybody else who have been adding helpful comments, thankyou very much, and I appriciate your efforts.

Because of course Jethro, you’re always an optimist and always recognises the potential of projects…

#18 “Based on the photograph, one may wonder if a more pressing issue is the fact that the arboretum appears to be lacking actual trees.”

http://the-riotact.com/look-out-for-the-snow-lol/122499

Can I get on board at the monorail terminus?

Whenever you start to wonder why Canberra has a reputation for being boring, think back to this thread and remember this town is full of people like Masquara and c_c who have nothing better to do with their time than work themselves up into a lather over the idea that somebody out there might want to do something that might be construed as fun, because we all know that anything fun will be nothing but a blight on this fair town.

I particularly enjoyed Masquara’s last two posts.. I can picture her sitting at home, spending too much time on the internet looking at videos of hovercrafts, her blood pressure and rage rising at every new video.

Here’s a small Australian-built hovercraft – so loud the people on it are wearing hearing protection. This one was built by Gary Ashton of Mariah Hovercraft. I think we need to have much more detail about the specs of the craft you are planning to use please hovercraft entrepreneur!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BofB44UEwrA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UodHQG4pYkM

Example of hovercraft with turkey hoon in charge.

shauno said :

Far better would be if they opened up the expanded cotter dam to some water sports and fishing it would be great for tourism and no reason why not.

Well, actually, yes there is.Cotter Dam contains one of the few populations left of the endangered Macquarie perch as well as two-spined blackfish and is redfin and carp free (and it wouldn’t remain that way if opened up to fishing). It is also EHN virus free – which kills Macquarie perch – and that virus can be brought in on water craft

kingcosworth said :

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/astroturfing

PUBLIC, something constructive to add would have been a better use of our time, I’m sure you understood what I meant, but you can’t build yourself up by putting someone else down by letting it slide can you c_c. Come to think of it, not a single thing you have added to the forum has been remotely constructive…. Do you consider yourself intelligent? Or just plain annoying?

Now suspecting that kingscosworth and hoverfun_tours are one in the same. They both have a mean temper when there’s the least interrogation of their plan to profit from public amenities.

HOVERFUN_TOURS said :

farnarkler said :

I used to love going on the Isle of Wight hovercraft from Pompey to Ryde. They certainly are noisy when they get up and go.

Some cars are fast. Are all cars fast?
Some planes do aerobatics. Do all planes do aerobatics?
Some people drink alcohol. Do all %u2026%u2026. well i’m sure you get what i’m saying.

Some hovercrafts are noisy – very noisy. Does this mean all hovercraft are noisy? No%u2026

As i mentioned, 78dB is%u2026%u2026 78dB. Is it louder than a whisper – much.
Is it quieter than your lawnmower – much.

And how long will you be exposed to the noise for? About 10 seconds – until i pass by and fade into silence. Then you might get another 10 seconds if i come by in an hours time

I don’t mean to be rude, and I make my comment with all respect, but i get frustrated when i read comments (often innocent i know) that put an inaccurate and negative light on what I’m trying to do. I don’t need the money, but i want to do something for Canberra that is fun and beneficial for the community.

I have consciously configured this business for a ‘best-fit’ into the lake community: from a small 6-seater craft to minimise noise, to my operating hours and locations – which are outside the majority of lake activities.

If anyone has any constructive comments on how i could make my business a ‘better-fit’ then i invite (and thank you for) your comments.

Thank you in advance,

HOVER-FUN TOURS

Nathan, four months ago you said you hadn’t yet done a business plan or purchased a hovercraft. How has that progressed for you? Have you started doing rides at Hervey Bay yet and if so, how many per day are you doing, how long do they average and what speeds do the rides reach?

shauno said :

Plenty of reservoirs in the US and Europe are duel use both drinking and fishing etc.

It’ll certainly be “duel” use in Canberra; I see quite a fight for this one to ever get up.

Your biggest problem is going to be speed limits. Its the reason why they only let us have electric outboards on the fishing boats on the lake. And for a hovercraft to be interesting your wanting to wiz around pretty quick. The lake is pretty small overall so I dont see much point to it. Far better would be if they opened up the expanded cotter dam to some water sports and fishing it would be great for tourism and no reason why not. Plenty of reservoirs in the US and Europe are duel use both drinking and fishing etc. Canberra is wasting a huge tourism potential with the large dams up there in the mountains.

c_c™ said :

kingcosworth said :

Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/astroturfing

PUBLIC, something constructive to add would have been a better use of our time, I’m sure you understood what I meant, but you can’t build yourself up by putting someone else down by letting it slide can you c_c. Come to think of it, not a single thing you have added to the forum has been remotely constructive…. Do you consider yourself intelligent? Or just plain annoying?

HOVERFUN_TOURS said :

Then you might get another 10 seconds if i come by in an hours time

ha, well actually this is a good point. We’re all assuming this thing will actually be on the lake. But at $60/ea for adults, you’re more than 3x as expensive as other tour boat operators. Given those services a whisper quiet (I mean seriously, are your passengers going to wear ear plugs?), long established and will operate as fast as you’re allowed to, I’m not seeing a plausible business plan panning out.

*emphasis added

HOVERFUN_TOURS said :

farnarkler said :

I used to love going on the Isle of Wight hovercraft from Pompey to Ryde. They certainly are noisy when they get up and go.

Some cars are fast. Are all cars fast?
Some planes do acrobatics. Do all planes do acrobatics?
Some people drink alcohol. Do all ……. well i’m sure you get what i’m saying.

Some hovercrafts are noisy – very noisy. Does this mean all hovercraft are noisy? No…

As i mentioned, 78dB is…… 78dB. Is it louder than a whisper – much.
Is it quieter than your lawnmower – much.

Ooooooh sarcasm. Not a very good PR tactic to aim at your intended market.

farnarkler said :

I used to love going on the Isle of Wight hovercraft from Pompey to Ryde. They certainly are noisy when they get up and go.

Some cars are fast. Are all cars fast?
Some planes do aerobatics. Do all planes do aerobatics?
Some people drink alcohol. Do all %u2026%u2026. well i’m sure you get what i’m saying.

Some hovercrafts are noisy – very noisy. Does this mean all hovercraft are noisy? No%u2026

As i mentioned, 78dB is%u2026%u2026 78dB. Is it louder than a whisper – much.
Is it quieter than your lawnmower – much.

And how long will you be exposed to the noise for? About 10 seconds – until i pass by and fade into silence. Then you might get another 10 seconds if i come by in an hours time

I don’t mean to be rude, and I make my comment with all respect, but i get frustrated when i read comments (often innocent i know) that put an inaccurate and negative light on what I’m trying to do. I don’t need the money, but i want to do something for Canberra that is fun and beneficial for the community.

I have consciously configured this business for a ‘best-fit’ into the lake community: from a small 6-seater craft to minimise noise, to my operating hours and locations – which are outside the majority of lake activities.

If anyone has any constructive comments on how i could make my business a ‘better-fit’ then i invite (and thank you for) your comments.

Thank you in advance,

HOVER-FUN TOURS

I used to love going on the Isle of Wight hovercraft from Pompey to Ryde. They certainly are noisy when they get up and go.

kingcosworth said :

Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/astroturfing

maxblues said :

c_c™ said :

The guy behind this, who reportedly has a string of former businesses in his wake, announced he would be starting these tours months ago and is already selling tickets: http://www.bookfresh.com/service/barrine-drive-acton-act/hover-fun-tours/214420709

I suspect this whole ‘my friend’ post is his sneaky tactic to try and put pressure on the planning authorities. And I predict it will backfire on him spectacularly.

I had my suspicions. Do you have a name for the ‘business owner’ ?

Zan I can assure you there is no conspirasy or anything sinister involved with the writing of this forum between my friend and myself, some people still help each other these days. I had a look at the link that you offered, and your right, it does not mention that the business is not operationmal yet, but if you look at this link, which is the main business link, it outlines the fact it is not running in bold. http://www.hoverfuntours.com.au/. Purely an oversight, which I will mention to him Yes my friend has run multiple business’s in the past, some he still runs, I can not see why this is a sinister issue, not everyone has to work in the public service. Creating the forum on Riotact was my idea, purly because I wanted to get feedback on what the publick thought about the idea. And from what I can gather apart from the very confused people regarding audio (dB) levels and a couple of others, people think it would be a fun idea. People in Australia though even if they think something is a good idea, if the government says no than it is always left at at that. Which is why I am not allowed to to a 1/3 of the thing I sused to be able to do as an adolesent.

shauno said :

The are noisy buggers ive heard a few of them over in the UK. The biggest one over there is like being next to C130 Herc lol.

The Royal Marines use hovercraft. Embarrassingly, during a public demonstration on the Thames, they smacked one into Blackfriars Bridge.

The are noisy buggers ive heard a few of them over in the UK. The biggest one over there is like being next to C130 Herc lol.

This Db argument is funny to read! But seriously, when I read this article the first thing I glanced at was the headline of another article on here “The fun police will be out in force” and I thought, well there is your answer to wanting to put hovercraft on the lake LOL!!

Personally im all for it, and I don’t think the noise will be an issue with the distances involved, but I am so not getting involved in the Db argument going on, some people here have some very funny ideas of how sound works. If you manage to get past the red tape, i’ll book with ya, always wanted to try out a hovercraft.

Antagonist said :

c_c™ said :

You measure the sound of your exhaust at the tail pipe… have a lot of people sticking their ear up to your tail pipe do you?

The ADR specifies that exhaust noise is measured at the tailpipe, and it specifies 90 dB for post-1/1/92 vehicles. Nice arm waving though.

Anyway if your going to lecture on how aircraft noise is measured, you could at least get it right. The type of noise measure used for type certification is EPNL as I say above. That is a formula of perceived noise value, tone and duration to arrive at a final figure.

Mark my words a hovercraft will be worse than an aircraft’s EPNL and a car isn’t as bad.

Yeah. You got nothing. NIMBY.

And fortunately people smarter than you will reject this hovercraft, so you’ll get nothing.

In November 2013, Cairns Regional Council rejected a proposal by a private operator to run hovercraft rides from the Cairns esplanade. A report indicated that the “noisy hovercraft” would impact on people and wildlife. Even though warned against it, the business began operating without approval until a desist order was raised.

Holden Caulfield said :

maxblues said :

…but it became really complicated in 1993, when Mandy’s mother married Bill’s son!

And the real question is, was Mandy’s mum younger than Bill’s son?

Good question, but no. When they got engaged, Stephen Wyman was 30 and Patsy Smith was 46 (at the same time Mandy Smith was 22 and Bill Wyman was 56).

A family tree with tangled branches.

Mandy has now been married three times and is involved in a charity controversy. Mandy and her sister Nicola have fronted a charity raising funds for Manchester Children’s Hospital. Only 3p out of every £, has made it to the hospital.

c_c™ said :

You measure the sound of your exhaust at the tail pipe… have a lot of people sticking their ear up to your tail pipe do you?

The ADR specifies that exhaust noise is measured at the tailpipe, and it specifies 90 dB for post-1/1/92 vehicles. Nice arm waving though.

Anyway if your going to lecture on how aircraft noise is measured, you could at least get it right. The type of noise measure used for type certification is EPNL as I say above. That is a formula of perceived noise value, tone and duration to arrive at a final figure.

Mark my words a hovercraft will be worse than an aircraft’s EPNL and a car isn’t as bad.

Yeah. You got nothing. NIMBY.

farnarkler said :

Obviously not the same thing but I think you might lose a bit of the red tape if you bought a DUKW and used it as a tour vehicle. Then you could drive it round the Parliamentary triangle, etc.

Or a LARC.

You measure the sound of your exhaust at the tail pipe… have a lot of people sticking their ear up to your tail pipe do you?

Anyway if your going to lecture on how aircraft noise is measured, you could at least get it right. The type of noise measure used for type certification is EPNL as I say above. That is a formula of perceived noise value, tone and duration to arrive at a final figure.

Mark my words a hovercraft will be worse than an aircraft’s EPNL and a car isn’t as bad.

Obviously not the same thing but I think you might lose a bit of the red tape if you bought a DUKW and used it as a tour vehicle. Then you could drive it round the Parliamentary triangle, etc.

c_c™ said :

If your cars are really louder than an Airbus flying over, or a Cessna taking off, then I’d seriously suggest an oil change and a new mechanic.

Have you bothered to find out what ‘flyover noise’ is or how it is measured? It is measured directly under the flightpath after takeoff, and when said jet has reached an altitude where power can be reduced while still maintaining a safe rate of climb. The distance between microphone and jet engine, at this point, is several thousands of feet.

Meanwhile, the sound of my car exhausts were measured at the tailpipe; less than 1 foot between source and microphone. If you were to measure the sound of my cars exhaust from the same distance as a jet at ‘flyover’, then it would be barely perceptible. Much like comparing a sparrows fart to an atomic bomb.

Four serves of humble pie for you. Only a true Aussie could like their pies that much!

So according to one Australian manufacturer, the cruise noise level at 30m distance is 77db, but it can go up to 84db.
http://www.viperhovercraft.com.au/viperxrhovercraft.htm

A quiet home is about 40db on my reading.
A car at normal revs is 65db, at higher revs 78db and driving by at a distance of 10m about 74db.

A Dyson Air Multiplier comes in at 97db 10cm down wind but only 80db point blank upwind, now that’s the one that should catch people’s attention, because the same principle applies to a hovercraft’s propulsion.

With a typical power boat, you have the engine making a mechanical noise but the action is happening under the water. With a hovercraft, you have everything above the water, including a massive fan on the back driving air.

So what is the noise level at less than 30m down wind of the hovercraft?
Because that is the noise level that’s going to matter to people using the lakeside.

If this thing comes to dock at the QEII Tce, the cafe seating there will be well within 30m and inevitable down wind of the fan. Same story at the Kingston boardwalk, and at Commonwealth Park at a favourite place for waterbirds on the shore, and near the Carillon.

Antagonist said :

Jet airplane, 30 m away: 140 dB.

Is that a turbo jet, a rocket, a high bypass turbo fan or a low bypass turbofan?

c_c™ said :

Bulldust … bulldust … and more bulldust

*Yawn*

http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/education/information-center/decibel-exposure-time-guidelines/
http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question124.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure
http://www.ehow.com/about_5375252_decibel-level-jet-plane.html
http://thelogbook.co.uk/howloudisanengine.htm
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/whales/species/bluewhale/Loudest.shtmlhttp://www.asha.org/public/hearing/noise/

Want something more academic? How about this from my old physics textbook. Conceptual physics, Eleventh Ed (2010). Hewitt, PG. Table 21.1: Common Sources and Sound Intensities. Jet airplane, 30 m away: 140 dB.

I can do this all day. That is a 3 course meal of humble pie for you now, genius 🙂

Any mechanics on here want to chime in on *real life* car exhaust noise ? KB1971 perhaps ???

Antagonist said :

Now lets talk about the BS figure you came up with for an airbus (82-84 dB). The different websites I have come across give noise levels of jet engines ranging from 130 dB to 140 dB. These same websites put the dial tone of a telephone at 80 dB and city traffic INSIDE a car at 85 dB. I can link to plenty of websites, but this one is nice and simple and allows for an easy comparison to be made: http://www.hearnet.com/at_risk/risk_trivia.shtml

You have been caught bullsh!tting. Humble pie for main, and humble pie for desert as well.

Research skills are a lost are, as is reading. What part of aircraft type certificate was not comprehendible?

I’ll help you out, here’s a link: http://www.easa.europa.eu/certification/type-certificates/docs/noise//EASA-TCDS-A.064_AIRBUS_A318,_A319,_A320,_A321_Single_Aisle/EASA-TCDS-A.064_Volume_3_AIRBUS_A320-04-21122012.pdf

European Aviation Safety Agency – Noise Type Certificate for A320 Models, 2012.

I’ll even include another one, an older prop aircraft just for comparison.

Cessna 206: http://www.easa.europa.eu/certification/type-certificates/docs/noise/EASA-TCDS-A.053_(IM)_Cessna_Model_206-03-22102007.pdf

Take off sound level for the T206 is 80db, limit 88db and for the 206 is 88/88db.

Antagonist said :

Bulldust. My previous ride, a 1981 XD Falcon was failed by an automotive workshop in Phillip at 102 dB. The addition of an extra muffler brought it back down to 89 dB, and was passed as roadworthy. My current ride, a 2003 BA Falcon passed at 88 dB in April 2013. Both are real life, in practise examples.

If your cars are really louder than an Airbus flying over, or a Cessna taking off, then I’d seriously suggest an oil change and a new mechanic.

c_c™ said :

Antagonist said :

Felix the Cat said :

c_c™ said :

Antagonist said :

c_c™ said :

That noise rating does depend on range, I presuming that’s 78db a 25m but would be helpful to know. None the less, 78 is getting very close to the threshold at which it can cause hearing damage.

WTF? Older cars are limited to 95dB, while modern cars are limited to 90dB. What a load of tripe!

As for the hovercraft, it sounds like a bunch of fun. But the powers that be will find a way to kill the project off the moment any of the NIMBY crowd start making noise, which will be at a lot more than 78dB.

You’re full of it. I’m looking at the type certificate right now for the Airbus A320.
EPNL for flyover is around 82-84db and limited to 91. Car as loud as a plane, please.

I don’t think people want something as loud as an Airbus flying over going around the lake day in day out. And just watch the wildlife, lakeside diners and rowers disappear

c_c is looking forward to your apology

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L01279

Have some humble pie instead. From the link YOU provided to ADR 28/01, Clause 28.3.3, Table 1, Stationary Vehicles, spark ignition engines, exhaust outlet height <1500mm: EVERY value ranges from lowest of 89dB to highest of 95 dB. Class MA (passenger vehicles) have a maximum allowable 90 dB across the board. The same noise limits apply to diesel engines as well.

It should be noted that these noise limits apply only to vehicles manufactured after 1 January 1992.

Thank you for making my point, genius. Would you like sauce with that humble pie? 🙂

Yes, I’m not disputing the ADR may set a limit, but what is the actual noise level of a car in practice?
I sure haven’t heard any cars that are as loud as an Airbus going overhead. So your point is entirely useless.

Bulldust. My previous ride, a 1981 XD Falcon was failed by an automotive workshop in Phillip at 102 dB. The addition of an extra muffler brought it back down to 89 dB, and was passed as roadworthy. My current ride, a 2003 BA Falcon passed at 88 dB in April 2013. Both are real life, in practise examples.

Now lets talk about the BS figure you came up with for an airbus (82-84 dB). The different websites I have come across give noise levels of jet engines ranging from 130 dB to 140 dB. These same websites put the dial tone of a telephone at 80 dB and city traffic INSIDE a car at 85 dB. I can link to plenty of websites, but this one is nice and simple and allows for an easy comparison to be made: http://www.hearnet.com/at_risk/risk_trivia.shtml

You have been caught bullsh!tting. Humble pie for main, and humble pie for desert as well.

Antagonist said :

Felix the Cat said :

c_c™ said :

Antagonist said :

c_c™ said :

That noise rating does depend on range, I presuming that’s 78db a 25m but would be helpful to know. None the less, 78 is getting very close to the threshold at which it can cause hearing damage.

WTF? Older cars are limited to 95dB, while modern cars are limited to 90dB. What a load of tripe!

As for the hovercraft, it sounds like a bunch of fun. But the powers that be will find a way to kill the project off the moment any of the NIMBY crowd start making noise, which will be at a lot more than 78dB.

You’re full of it. I’m looking at the type certificate right now for the Airbus A320.
EPNL for flyover is around 82-84db and limited to 91. Car as loud as a plane, please.

I don’t think people want something as loud as an Airbus flying over going around the lake day in day out. And just watch the wildlife, lakeside diners and rowers disappear

c_c is looking forward to your apology

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L01279

Have some humble pie instead. From the link YOU provided to ADR 28/01, Clause 28.3.3, Table 1, Stationary Vehicles, spark ignition engines, exhaust outlet height <1500mm: EVERY value ranges from lowest of 89dB to highest of 95 dB. Class MA (passenger vehicles) have a maximum allowable 90 dB across the board. The same noise limits apply to diesel engines as well.

It should be noted that these noise limits apply only to vehicles manufactured after 1 January 1992.

Thank you for making my point, genius. Would you like sauce with that humble pie? 🙂

Yes, I’m not disputing the ADR may set a limit, but what is the actual noise level of a car in practice?
I sure haven’t heard any cars that are as loud as an Airbus going overhead. So your point is entirely useless.

justsomeaussie said :

The level of wowsers is quite remarkable, even for Canberra. I never would of thought that “Not in my Back Yard” NYMBYism would apply to the lake.

I have no doubt that the complainers here aren’t lake users anyway and who just want something to complain about because that’s what change does to wowsers.

If this company wants to start a hovercraft, segway, electric balloon experience near or on the lake and it passes regulations who are we to complain about it.

You’re not on here much are you, I’m certainly no nimby. I regularly use the lake and surrounds. I think it should be utilised more, but that comes from longer term plans to develop precincts like the Kingston Foreshore, Reconciliation Place and City-to-Lake that hundreds of people can enjoy, every day, for free.

Hovercraft will inevitably be intrusive to lake users, lake side users and wildlife. The size of the lake is such that hovercraft won’t be able to use their speed anyway.

Felix the Cat said :

c_c™ said :

Antagonist said :

c_c™ said :

That noise rating does depend on range, I presuming that’s 78db a 25m but would be helpful to know. None the less, 78 is getting very close to the threshold at which it can cause hearing damage.

WTF? Older cars are limited to 95dB, while modern cars are limited to 90dB. What a load of tripe!

As for the hovercraft, it sounds like a bunch of fun. But the powers that be will find a way to kill the project off the moment any of the NIMBY crowd start making noise, which will be at a lot more than 78dB.

You’re full of it. I’m looking at the type certificate right now for the Airbus A320.
EPNL for flyover is around 82-84db and limited to 91. Car as loud as a plane, please.

I don’t think people want something as loud as an Airbus flying over going around the lake day in day out. And just watch the wildlife, lakeside diners and rowers disappear

c_c is looking forward to your apology

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L01279

Have some humble pie instead. From the link YOU provided to ADR 28/01, Clause 28.3.3, Table 1, Stationary Vehicles, spark ignition engines, exhaust outlet height <1500mm: EVERY value ranges from lowest of 89dB to highest of 95 dB. Class MA (passenger vehicles) have a maximum allowable 90 dB across the board. The same noise limits apply to diesel engines as well.

It should be noted that these noise limits apply only to vehicles manufactured after 1 January 1992.

Thank you for making my point, genius. Would you like sauce with that humble pie? 🙂

The level of wowsers is quite remarkable, even for Canberra. I never would of thought that “Not in my Back Yard” NYMBYism would apply to the lake.

I have no doubt that the complainers here aren’t lake users anyway and who just want something to complain about because that’s what change does to wowsers.

If this company wants to start a hovercraft, segway, electric balloon experience near or on the lake and it passes regulations who are we to complain about it.

I can see it taking off.

I said; “I can’t see it taking off”, geddit?….Never mind….

Sounds a daft idea, no offense meant. Apart from a few “safe thrill” seekers who would bother with the expense and discomfort?

c_c™ said :

Antagonist said :

c_c™ said :

That noise rating does depend on range, I presuming that’s 78db a 25m but would be helpful to know. None the less, 78 is getting very close to the threshold at which it can cause hearing damage.

WTF? Older cars are limited to 95dB, while modern cars are limited to 90dB. What a load of tripe!

As for the hovercraft, it sounds like a bunch of fun. But the powers that be will find a way to kill the project off the moment any of the NIMBY crowd start making noise, which will be at a lot more than 78dB.

You’re full of it. I’m looking at the type certificate right now for the Airbus A320.
EPNL for flyover is around 82-84db and limited to 91. Car as loud as a plane, please.

I don’t think people want something as loud as an Airbus flying over going around the lake day in day out. And just watch the wildlife, lakeside diners and rowers disappear

c_c is looking forward to your apology

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L01279

Have you seen how empty the current lake cruise vessels are? I just don’t think there is a market for it

c_c™ said :

The guy behind this, who reportedly has a string of former businesses in his wake, announced he would be starting these tours months ago and is already selling tickets: http://www.bookfresh.com/service/barrine-drive-acton-act/hover-fun-tours/214420709

I suspect this whole ‘my friend’ post is his sneaky tactic to try and put pressure on the planning authorities. And I predict it will backfire on him spectacularly.

It appears I can even make a family booking for today at 2pm…dodgy much.

c_c™ said :

The guy behind this, who reportedly has a string of former businesses in his wake, announced he would be starting these tours months ago and is already selling tickets: http://www.bookfresh.com/service/barrine-drive-acton-act/hover-fun-tours/214420709

I suspect this whole ‘my friend’ post is his sneaky tactic to try and put pressure on the planning authorities. And I predict it will backfire on him spectacularly.

I had my suspicions. Do you have a name for the ‘business owner’ ?

Antagonist said :

c_c™ said :

That noise rating does depend on range, I presuming that’s 78db a 25m but would be helpful to know. None the less, 78 is getting very close to the threshold at which it can cause hearing damage.

WTF? Older cars are limited to 95dB, while modern cars are limited to 90dB. What a load of tripe!

As for the hovercraft, it sounds like a bunch of fun. But the powers that be will find a way to kill the project off the moment any of the NIMBY crowd start making noise, which will be at a lot more than 78dB.

You’re full of it. I’m looking at the type certificate right now for the Airbus A320.
EPNL for flyover is around 82-84db and limited to 91. Car as loud as a plane, please.

I don’t think people want something as loud as an Airbus flying over going around the lake day in day out. And just watch the wildlife, lakeside diners and rowers disappear

The guy behind this, who reportedly has a string of former businesses in his wake, announced he would be starting these tours months ago and is already selling tickets: http://www.bookfresh.com/service/barrine-drive-acton-act/hover-fun-tours/214420709

I suspect this whole ‘my friend’ post is his sneaky tactic to try and put pressure on the planning authorities. And I predict it will backfire on him spectacularly.

But will it be full of eels?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akbflkF_1zY

c_c™ said :

That noise rating does depend on range, I presuming that’s 78db a 25m but would be helpful to know. None the less, 78 is getting very close to the threshold at which it can cause hearing damage.

WTF? Older cars are limited to 95dB, while modern cars are limited to 90dB. What a load of tripe!

As for the hovercraft, it sounds like a bunch of fun. But the powers that be will find a way to kill the project off the moment any of the NIMBY crowd start making noise, which will be at a lot more than 78dB.

HOVERFUN_TOURS said :

Sorry to clarify, as i said – i produce 78dB of noise – not part of my noise level, but in total. Masquara is right, the fan produces the bulk of the noise created. Lucky for me the motor is almost silent. And as far as close to hearing damage is concerned, the government doesn’t mandate the wearing of hearing protection until noises reach 85dB – and you’re allowed to be exposed to that for up to 8 hours!

I have proposed to operate between the hours of 10am and 5pm. This leaves the more sound-sensitive time slots to other lake users.

Anecdotally, how much total noise do people think a party boat with around a hundred people drinking, yelling, and playing music makes?…

Any of the 5 function venues around the lake will create a noise level over 90dB on multiple nights of the week: Any time they have a function with party music and people enjoying themselves – all in time-slots far more sensitive than my proposed hours of operation.

And would it be noisier than trucks travelling along Parkes Way or over the bridges? I’d be quite surprised if the hovercraft could be heard over traffic noise.

IP

maxblues said :

…but it became really complicated in 1993, when Mandy’s mother married Bill’s son!

And the real question is, was Mandy’s mum younger than Bill’s son?

knuckles said :

kingcosworth said :

maxblues said :

Je suis un Rock Star…

I am a rock star, thankyou!

Yes, but Bill Wyman is no longer a rock star.
Although apparently he is, by marriage, his own grandfather.

Yes, Mandy and Bill married in 1989 (when she was 18), but it became really complicated in 1993, when Mandy’s mother married Bill’s son!

Masquara said :

HOVERFUN_TOURS said :

I produce 78dB of noise

‘ang on, ‘ang on. Is that the motor noise only? Or can you confirm that youhave included the propellor noise, which is the subject of many complaints about hovercraft disrupting people’s water leisure pursuits, and apparently is the source of most hovercraft noise?

Sorry to clarify, as i said – i produce 78dB of noise – not part of my noise level, but in total. Masquara is right, the fan produces the bulk of the noise created. Lucky for me the motor is almost silent. And as far as close to hearing damage is concerned, the government doesn’t mandate the wearing of hearing protection until noises reach 85dB – and you’re allowed to be exposed to that for up to 8 hours!

I have proposed to operate between the hours of 10am and 5pm. This leaves the more sound-sensitive time slots to other lake users.

Anecdotally, how much total noise do people think a party boat with around a hundred people drinking, yelling, and playing music makes?…

Any of the 5 function venues around the lake will create a noise level over 90dB on multiple nights of the week: Any time they have a function with party music and people enjoying themselves – all in time-slots far more sensitive than my proposed hours of operation.

On the hoverfun website is a video of the craft with the caption ‘Hovercraft @ Idle – 78dB’. I am curious as to the dB level when it is hovering around the lake at 25km/h?

I can think of nothing worse. Oh yes I can, a jet boat. Who thinks about the water birds’ life on the lake? Who thinks about the lives of the animals around the lake?

I am glad for the bans on loud motor boats on the lake. Please keep it like this http://the-riotact.com/morning-on-lake-burley-griffin-images-of-canberra/122283

I love the idea! Good luck with the red tape.

“The Hovercraft is extremely quiet, as not to be intrusive…”

Hahahahahaha… That’s funny.

But, during sane hours, I think it should be allowable. I’d give it a go.

Masquara said :

kingcosworth said :

Your right, the red tape is proving ridiculous. ‘Visit Canberra (Department of Tourism)’ and ‘National Capital Attractions Authority’ is all for it, but the Lake Authority (NCA) is not. Reading through the act after the application was submitted, the only clause that seemed to go against the concept was a discretionary clause that states that any venture must be in keeping with the look and serenity of the lake. As for the vessel being petrol powered, private vessals can not be powered, but comercial vessals can be, thus the powered ferry. Regarding noise, we have conducted extensive sound testing in Melbourne and the noise level is 78dB, quiter than a whipper snipper. The lakes in Canberra are grossly under utilised, with a population of about 400,000 people, a tiny percentage of the population actually utilise the lake, as most forms of water sport are banned for use. I feel Canberra needs more attractions, and I beleive I’m not the only one who thinks this, but with Government bodies stonewalling ventures that are outside the norm is not fair for the citizens of Canberra and there needs to be a change!!!

78 decibels is NOT quiet. According to a google search it is the equivalent of heavy traffic. I don’t want a hovercraft on the lake disrupting everyday people’s quiet activities, thanks! There’s a place across the border on the water for motorboats!

That noise rating does depend on range, I presuming that’s 78db a 25m but would be helpful to know. None the less, 78 is getting very close to the threshold at which it can cause hearing damage.

It’s nice that the NCA is humouring the operator by supposedly considering it, but we can be quite certain they won’t allow it on LBG. Thank goodness.

johnboy said :

Never mind Masquara, she hates everything.

except Barcham

HOVERFUN_TOURS said :

I produce 78dB of noise

‘ang on, ‘ang on. Is that the motor noise only? Or can you confirm that youhave included the propellor noise, which is the subject of many complaints about hovercraft disrupting people’s water leisure pursuits, and apparently is the source of most hovercraft noise?

kingcosworth said :

Your right, the red tape is proving ridiculous. ‘Visit Canberra (Department of Tourism)’ and ‘National Capital Attractions Authority’ is all for it, but the Lake Authority (NCA) is not. Reading through the act after the application was submitted, the only clause that seemed to go against the concept was a discretionary clause that states that any venture must be in keeping with the look and serenity of the lake. As for the vessel being petrol powered, private vessals can not be powered, but comercial vessals can be, thus the powered ferry. Regarding noise, we have conducted extensive sound testing in Melbourne and the noise level is 78dB, quiter than a whipper snipper. The lakes in Canberra are grossly under utilised, with a population of about 400,000 people, a tiny percentage of the population actually utilise the lake, as most forms of water sport are banned for use. I feel Canberra needs more attractions, and I beleive I’m not the only one who thinks this, but with Government bodies stonewalling ventures that are outside the norm is not fair for the citizens of Canberra and there needs to be a change!!!

78 decibels is NOT quiet. According to a google search it is the equivalent of heavy traffic. I don’t want a hovercraft on the lake disrupting everyday people’s quiet activities, thanks! There’s a place across the border on the water for motorboats!

I’d go for a ride…with my family. Sounds like fun. Segway around the lake and then hovercraft over it. Cool!

maxblues said :

Je suis un Rock Star…

“They’ll think I’m your dad and you’re my daughter”. Not PC nowadays…

How quiet? As quiet as a row-boat or a yacht? If yes – maybe. If not – NUH!

Ah that’s right, National Capital Authority (not the ACT Government), control the lake – so apologies for blaming the wrong mob for putting restrictions on the use of LBG.

I reckon if you give your company an Aboriginal name, appoint a disabled, bi/gay/lesbian/gender-fluid person with a troubled childhood to run the tours, then you’ll have no trouble getting the operation approved! 😉

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for taking the time and interest to read my friends post. The NCA who govern the lake haven’t closed the door on me at this stage, they’re being extremely thorough%u2026 which i guess we’d complain about if they weren’t.

My hovercraft is to commercial specification. It seats 6-people: just enough to be economically viable, and not too big to be too noisy or financially unviable. I produce 78dB of noise – comparative to a loud conversation. I have set a self-imposed speed limit of 20kts (approx 36km/h) on my operations. Fast enough to not be boring and not too fast to be perceived as reckless or dangerous.

I will offer patrons a view of more of the lake than can be seen on any ferry tour currently operating, and i will do this while offering customers a historical tour of the lake’s history and icons%u2026 or come along for a shorter trip and simply be ‘wowed’ by a hovercraft. Like fairy floss, they’re nothing new, but they are most definitely a novelty item.

Please look over my website if you are still curious, and please support my business by sharing this thread with a friend and ‘like’ my Facebook page:

http://www.hoverfuntours.com.au

https://facebook.com/profile.php?id=399175860183031

Regards,

HOVER-FUN TOURS

MERC600 said :

Deref said :

I’ve never been on a hovercraft – I’d try that!

I’ve been on one. A big fullah one from Dover to Calais back in 73. Very weird riding experience as there was a bit of a swell running in the channel..
Here I reckon it would be a good idea. I don’t think the lake is utilised enough. But as Mr Evel mentions noise would sink it.
But Farnarkler mentions Lake George. Now that could be worth a look at. Even I might be talked into parting with some of the hard earned to skim across it. Would need a bar though.

🙂 You lucky bastard! I had a model of that when I was a kid.

And yeah – Lake George – with a bar – WIN!

kingcosworth said :

maxblues said :

Je suis un Rock Star…

I am a rock star, thankyou!

Yes, but Bill Wyman is no longer a rock star.
Although apparently he is, by marriage, his own grandfather.

maxblues said :

kingcosworth said :

maxblues said :

Je suis un Rock Star…

I am a rock star, thankyou!

The song was possibly the first (and last?) to refer to a hovercraft.

“We could go on the hovercraft
Across the water
They’ll think I’m your dad
And you’re my daughter”
I always thought this verse referred to Bill Wyman’s relationship with Mandy Smith, but I have done the maths to find that Mandy would have been 10 or 11 when the song was released in 1981. Even though their relationship began when she was 13, and Wyman has admitted that their sexual relationship began when she was 14, I think I shall give Bill the benefit of the doubt and say that the song is about a (Brazilian) girl he met in Trafalgar Square. It does show that he had a predilection for young females before Mandy.

kingcosworth said :

gooterz said :

I thought nca only did LBG lake t and g should be out of their scope. Have you spoken with groups like the Tuggeranong community council?

That’s interesting, thanks for that advice, I will look into it!!

http://www.nationalcapital.gov.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=315&Itemid=284

Everywhere else looks fair game to me.

There’s absolutely no chance of this happening. Hovercraft are not quiet, its operations would be restricted to central basin for obvious reasons and central basin has mostly formed shoreline above the water level designed for conventional boat traffic.

kingcosworth said :

maxblues said :

Je suis un Rock Star…

I am a rock star, thankyou!

The song was possibly the first (and last?) to refer to a hovercraft.

maxblues said :

Je suis un Rock Star…

I am a rock star, thankyou!

gooterz said :

I thought nca only did LBG lake t and g should be out of their scope. Have you spoken with groups like the Tuggeranong community council?

That’s interesting, thanks for that advice, I will look into it!!

BimboGeek said :

At the end of the day, for me, it’s more about the service than the technology used to deliver it. What can a hovercraft do that the ferries can’t? What’s your USP?

Purely the novelty of the hovercraft, it’s more of a joyride as apposed to a means of transport. There are thousands of brands of cars out there, but they all do the same job and get you from A to B, just some of them appeal more to some than others.

kingcosworth said :

The lakes in Canberra are grossly under utilised, with a population of about 400,000 people, a tiny percentage of the population actually utilise the lake, as most forms of water sport are banned for use.

This is because half the year the water is too cold to use and the other half the government stops us from going in because of the green algae.

As for the hover idea, wouldn’t the craft also be restricted to a certain speed, making it a pretty ordinary ride? Unless you could zoom around at a rate of knots….boring.

I thought nca only did LBG lake t and g should be out of their scope. Have you spoken with groups like the Tuggeranong community council?

Your right, the red tape is proving ridiculous. ‘Visit Canberra (Department of Tourism)’ and ‘National Capital Attractions Authority’ is all for it, but the Lake Authority (NCA) is not. Reading through the act after the application was submitted, the only clause that seemed to go against the concept was a discretionary clause that states that any venture must be in keeping with the look and serenity of the lake. As for the vessel being petrol powered, private vessals can not be powered, but comercial vessals can be, thus the powered ferry. Regarding noise, we have conducted extensive sound testing in Melbourne and the noise level is 78dB, quiter than a whipper snipper. The lakes in Canberra are grossly under utilised, with a population of about 400,000 people, a tiny percentage of the population actually utilise the lake, as most forms of water sport are banned for use. I feel Canberra needs more attractions, and I beleive I’m not the only one who thinks this, but with Government bodies stonewalling ventures that are outside the norm is not fair for the citizens of Canberra and there needs to be a change!!!

Deref said :

I’ve never been on a hovercraft – I’d try that!

I’ve been on one. A big fullah one from Dover to Calais back in 73. Very weird riding experience as there was a bit of a swell running in the channel..
Here I reckon it would be a good idea. I don’t think the lake is utilised enough. But as Mr Evel mentions noise would sink it.
But Farnarkler mentions Lake George. Now that could be worth a look at. Even I might be talked into parting with some of the hard earned to skim across it. Would need a bar though.

At the end of the day, for me, it’s more about the service than the technology used to deliver it. What can a hovercraft do that the ferries can’t? What’s your USP?

Mr Evil said :

Great idea – but if the ACT Government won’t allow jet-skis or private motorised boats (apart from the ferries) on the lake – I’d be surprised they’d allow a hovercraft anywhere near it either?

Apparently noise is the big issue – and the toffs of Campbell and Reid don’t like noise…..

I head that it was boats causing a wake that was the issue (excuse), and that apparently hovercraft were specifically allowed.

Once upon a time, they even used to race them on the lake:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/home-made-hovercrafts-race/query/canberra

Je suis un Rock Star…

I’ve never been on a hovercraft – I’d try that!

I reckon the red tape involved with operating a powered vehicle on the lake would sink your friend’s idea. How about hovercraft racing on Lake George.

Great idea – but if the ACT Government won’t allow jet-skis or private motorised boats (apart from the ferries) on the lake – I’d be surprised they’d allow a hovercraft anywhere near it either?

Apparently noise is the big issue – and the toffs of Campbell and Reid don’t like noise…..