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It’s scripture in school time again!

By PickedANickname - 16 November 2011 62

To get it out of the way, I do not support any scripture in schools. I feel that religion is a personal choice and something that is managed by a family, not taught by random strangers at a public school.

I am curious to know how other schools in the ACT run the program.

The one my child attends puts a small notice in the newsletter and then hides an OPT-OUT permission slip in the back.

I don’t feel that I am provided enough information about the program. There are no offers to view the materials that will be used and I see it as quite deceptive to bury the non-consent note deep within a newsletter.

This is from the DET website:

4.3.6 The principal must ensure that the only children who attend the religious education program are those whose parents have consented to their attendance.

I don’t think you can ensure parents have given consent when it is a case of implied consent.  Why are all other permission notes are sent separately with return dates seeking explicit consent, but not scripture lessons.

I have heard the Amaroo has an opt-in program. So I know that there are other ways to handle this issue of consent.

We are seeking a meeting with the principal to discuss this but it would good to know what other schools do or how other parents in the community feel.

What’s Your opinion?


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It’s scripture in school time again!
colourful sydney rac 2:01 pm 16 Nov 11

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No, I haven’t. I have sent him to a public school. I don’t see the value in Catholic schools as I attended one and struggled until I was moved to a public school and started performing at the top of my year.

thanks for clearing that up, maintain your outrage.

luther_bendross 1:57 pm 16 Nov 11

Reminds me of a good Supernintendo Chalmers quote:
“Thank the Lor — thank the Lord? That sounded like a prayer. A prayer. A prayer in a public school! God has no place within these walls, just like facts have no place within organized religion.”

qbngeek 1:25 pm 16 Nov 11

longshanks said :

Bigot: Someone who is intolerantly convinced of the rightness of a particular creed, opinion, practice, etc. (Macquarie Dictionary)

So, just to clarify, while you might not be “sexist, racist, heightist, fatist or fascist”, you are clearly both intolerant and convinced that your opinions are right. Therefore, you are a bigot.

Out of interest, what school does your kid go to?

I will keep the name of the school out of it, but I will point out that you should go back there.

At what point was I ‘intolerantly convinced of the of the rightness of a particular creed, opinion, practice, etc’. I am not convinced that my opinion on anything is right, and will always change my opinion if given evidence to show it should be changed or at least reconsider my position.

If anything I demonstrate to my son and everyone else that there is no ‘right’ creed, opinion, practice etc. I have posted on here about many things, sometimes I agree with the Liberals, sometimes the Greens, sometimes Labor, sometimes nobody and sometimes I even agree with other posters who I have done battle with in other threads or even on the same issue and they have changed my opinion.

I am however entitled to my opinion and my opinion is that you should learn to comprehend a dictionary before you start to quote it.

Gantz 1:20 pm 16 Nov 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

…stick to the facts…

LOL facts and religion!

PickedANickname 1:15 pm 16 Nov 11

The Scripture Union ACT (SU ACT) http://www.suact.org.au/ conducts the Supa Club and bi-yearly week-long scripture program. There isn’t much information on what is in the lessons other than:

Working with the churches, SU aims:
1. to make God’s Good News known to children, young people and families, and
2. to encourage people of all ages to meet God daily through the Bible and prayer.
SU wants to see people come to personal faith in Jesus Christ, to grow in Christian maturity and become committed church members and servants of a world in need.

Completely Christian based. My child was once invited to the lunch time activity (without my consent). My child came home and told us that we were liars and didn’t “make” them that “the god made” them. This was after one visit! My child also misses out on an assembly as well, so it is really isolating.

To be fair to the school, I called, voiced my concerns and the lunch time club hasn’t been a problem since. That is why I am hoping the chat with the principal will go well.

longshanks 1:12 pm 16 Nov 11

qbngeek said :

qbngeek said :

THink yourself lucky, Our son is forced to go to scripture at the start of every year and there are no opt-out notes sent home or any information. In Kindergarten I said he was not to attend Scripture, each year they force him to go even when he protests.

The school has told me I need to opt-out every year and that it is up to me to contact them. To make it worse, non-scripture is a teacher in a room who tells them to bring a book or something to draw on and then tells them not to make a sound. That seems like a good way to bore kids into wanting to go to scripture.

On a few occasions he has been forced to go if they havve a substitute teacher who can’t be bothered to check, and I know he is going because he comes home and tells me how I am going to hell and then starts crying thinking he is a big bad sinner. Apparently I am going to hell because I have tattoos, I listent o ‘devil music’ and have said that Satan is better than God because he has a sense of humour.

F#@k I hate the f*^king catholics. Why can’t we be a non-religious country and then religion is a personal choice. Lets start by taxing them, they can afford it.

I should make it clear that I also hate the Christians.

And I hate them as a group, not individually. I will judge them on their deeds individually, but as a group they are the most hypocritical groups out there.

I an individual basis, I am not sexist, racist, heightist, fatist or fascist. I hate everyone equally.

Bigot: Someone who is intolerantly convinced of the rightness of a particular creed, opinion, practice, etc. (Macquarie Dictionary)

So, just to clarify, while you might not be “sexist, racist, heightist, fatist or fascist”, you are clearly both intolerant and convinced that your opinions are right. Therefore, you are a bigot.

Out of interest, what school does your kid go to?

Jethro 1:11 pm 16 Nov 11

Religious education has no place in government schools. If parents want a religious education for their kids there are plenty of religious schools out there.

The curriculum is already over-loaded, so time should not be wasted on this. Kids whose families opt out end up having 1 hour of do nothing time.

I do, however, agree with CSRI – comparative religious studies is fine. I’m all for kids learning about different cultures and their belief systems. I do, however, have a problem with some Christian coming into my kid’s classroom and lecturing them about god.

Thumper 1:09 pm 16 Nov 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

qbngeek said :

THink yourself lucky, Our son is forced to go to scripture at the start of every year and there are no opt-out notes sent home or any information. In Kindergarten I said he was not to attend Scripture, each year they force him to go even when he protests.

The school has told me I need to opt-out every year and that it is up to me to contact them. To make it worse, non-scripture is a teacher in a room who tells them to bring a book or something to draw on and then tells them not to make a sound. That seems like a good way to bore kids into wanting to go to scripture.

On a few occasions he has been forced to go if they havve a substitute teacher who can’t be bothered to check, and I know he is going because he comes home and tells me how I am going to hell and then starts crying thinking he is a big bad sinner. Apparently I am going to hell because I have tattoos, I listent o ‘devil music’ and have said that Satan is better than God because he has a sense of humour.

F#@k I hate the f*^king catholics. Why can’t we be a non-religious country and then religion is a personal choice. Lets start by taxing them, they can afford it.

Please tell me that you haven’t sent your son to a Catholic school and are now complaining about them teaching him Catholic doctrine…

Exactly what I was thinking.

beejay76 1:08 pm 16 Nov 11

We’re at Harrison and they have opt-in scripture. I’ve heard rumours of kids being sent when their parents didn’t opt-in, but it hasn’t happened to me or anyone I know. Perhaps it was when the school was new (it’s only 4 years old) and they hadn’t quite got on top of things yet.

I think that for a public school it should absolutely and most definitely be opt-in not opt-out! Our public schools need to cater for all Australians and residents, not just the Christian ones. I would be moaning largely and loudly to everyone who will listen and make it stop. Wrong wrong wrong. You have my sympathy.

qbngeek 1:08 pm 16 Nov 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

qbngeek said :

THink yourself lucky, Our son is forced to go to scripture at the start of every year and there are no opt-out notes sent home or any information. In Kindergarten I said he was not to attend Scripture, each year they force him to go even when he protests.

The school has told me I need to opt-out every year and that it is up to me to contact them. To make it worse, non-scripture is a teacher in a room who tells them to bring a book or something to draw on and then tells them not to make a sound. That seems like a good way to bore kids into wanting to go to scripture.

On a few occasions he has been forced to go if they havve a substitute teacher who can’t be bothered to check, and I know he is going because he comes home and tells me how I am going to hell and then starts crying thinking he is a big bad sinner. Apparently I am going to hell because I have tattoos, I listent o ‘devil music’ and have said that Satan is better than God because he has a sense of humour.

F#@k I hate the f*^king catholics. Why can’t we be a non-religious country and then religion is a personal choice. Lets start by taxing them, they can afford it.

Please tell me that you haven’t sent your son to a Catholic school and are now complaining about them teaching him Catholic doctrine…

No, I haven’t. I have sent him to a public school. I don’t see the value in Catholic schools as I attended one and struggled until I was moved to a public school and started performing at the top of my year.

qbngeek 12:56 pm 16 Nov 11

qbngeek said :

THink yourself lucky, Our son is forced to go to scripture at the start of every year and there are no opt-out notes sent home or any information. In Kindergarten I said he was not to attend Scripture, each year they force him to go even when he protests.

The school has told me I need to opt-out every year and that it is up to me to contact them. To make it worse, non-scripture is a teacher in a room who tells them to bring a book or something to draw on and then tells them not to make a sound. That seems like a good way to bore kids into wanting to go to scripture.

On a few occasions he has been forced to go if they havve a substitute teacher who can’t be bothered to check, and I know he is going because he comes home and tells me how I am going to hell and then starts crying thinking he is a big bad sinner. Apparently I am going to hell because I have tattoos, I listent o ‘devil music’ and have said that Satan is better than God because he has a sense of humour.

F#@k I hate the f*^king catholics. Why can’t we be a non-religious country and then religion is a personal choice. Lets start by taxing them, they can afford it.

I should make it clear that I also hate the Christians.

And I hate them as a group, not individually. I will judge them on their deeds individually, but as a group they are the most hypocritical groups out there.

I an individual basis, I am not sexist, racist, heightist, fatist or fascist. I hate everyone equally.

Watson 12:54 pm 16 Nov 11

Wow, I would seriously complain about that to DET. That is way out of line.

Majura Primary has an opt-in strategy for their scripture class. I don’t even know what brand of christianity it teaches.

colourful sydney rac 12:52 pm 16 Nov 11

qbngeek said :

THink yourself lucky, Our son is forced to go to scripture at the start of every year and there are no opt-out notes sent home or any information. In Kindergarten I said he was not to attend Scripture, each year they force him to go even when he protests.

The school has told me I need to opt-out every year and that it is up to me to contact them. To make it worse, non-scripture is a teacher in a room who tells them to bring a book or something to draw on and then tells them not to make a sound. That seems like a good way to bore kids into wanting to go to scripture.

On a few occasions he has been forced to go if they havve a substitute teacher who can’t be bothered to check, and I know he is going because he comes home and tells me how I am going to hell and then starts crying thinking he is a big bad sinner. Apparently I am going to hell because I have tattoos, I listent o ‘devil music’ and have said that Satan is better than God because he has a sense of humour.

F#@k I hate the f*^king catholics. Why can’t we be a non-religious country and then religion is a personal choice. Lets start by taxing them, they can afford it.

Please tell me that you haven’t sent your son to a Catholic school and are now complaining about them teaching him Catholic doctrine…

qbngeek 12:49 pm 16 Nov 11

THink yourself lucky, Our son is forced to go to scripture at the start of every year and there are no opt-out notes sent home or any information. In Kindergarten I said he was not to attend Scripture, each year they force him to go even when he protests.

The school has told me I need to opt-out every year and that it is up to me to contact them. To make it worse, non-scripture is a teacher in a room who tells them to bring a book or something to draw on and then tells them not to make a sound. That seems like a good way to bore kids into wanting to go to scripture.

On a few occasions he has been forced to go if they havve a substitute teacher who can’t be bothered to check, and I know he is going because he comes home and tells me how I am going to hell and then starts crying thinking he is a big bad sinner. Apparently I am going to hell because I have tattoos, I listent o ‘devil music’ and have said that Satan is better than God because he has a sense of humour.

F#@k I hate the f*^king catholics. Why can’t we be a non-religious country and then religion is a personal choice. Lets start by taxing them, they can afford it.

colourful sydney rac 12:42 pm 16 Nov 11

If it covers all mainstream religious belief systems and taught in a non-sectarian way, I support religious education in schools – ie stick to the facts, this is what followers of religion x believe, this is the history of religion x etc.

But, if the education is being delivered by a follower of one particular religion, it has no place in our schools.

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