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Julia trapped by an angry mob at the Tent Embassy?

By johnboy 26 January 2012 341

We’re hearing there have been ugly scenes at the tent embassy with the Prime Minister needing to be rescued by police.

If you were there please tell us all about it in the comments or mail pictures through to images@the-riotact.com .

Here’s Nine’s take on it:

julia gillard bundled into a taxi

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IrishPete 1:35 pm 05 Feb 12

Mr Evil said :

For those of you who believe that because New Zealand has the Treaty of Waitangi things are just simply awesome between Pakehas and Maoris, have a look at what’s been happening in the lead up to this year’s Waitangi Day celebrations:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6368974/Key-leaves-Waitangi-due-to-protesters

No-one said it was perfect, just better than Oz.

IP

Skyring 1:00 pm 05 Feb 12

IrishPete said :

The USA had affirmative action for decades – the concept is not all bad.

I can’t quite get those two statements to link up with each other. In fact, given the massive social problems I see in the USA, I doubt that there is one.

I find all this talk of targeting particular ethnic groups very unsettling. Dress it up all you want with good intentions and fancy words, but you are still ideologically standing shoulder to shoulder with Adolf Hitler, shovelling Jews and gypsies and homosexuals into the gas chambers in the search for a perfect world.

poetix 12:38 pm 05 Feb 12

Special G said :

Being a Ranga I am one of the most discriminated against people on the planet. We are a minority with no tangible benifits.

It is indeed hard to see any tangible benefits to red hair. (Or presumably to feel any.)

Mr Evil 11:13 am 05 Feb 12

For those of you who believe that because New Zealand has the Treaty of Waitangi things are just simply awesome between Pakehas and Maoris, have a look at what’s been happening in the lead up to this year’s Waitangi Day celebrations:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6368974/Key-leaves-Waitangi-due-to-protesters

IrishPete 10:49 am 05 Feb 12

chrisi said :

I get discriminated against because of my race.

I am specifically prevented from applying for certain jobs.
I get less benefits from Centrelink.
I get less priority for childcare services.
I don’t get the option to ‘call in a friend’ at public sector job interviews.
I don’t get preferential treatment for public housing.
I don’t get to call the race card for any problems I might be having, and then get leniency because of it.

Why? Because I’m NOT Aboriginal.
There’s political correctness, and there’s helping those disadvantaged…. but on god’s earth should I be disadvantaged in return? My daughter is disadvantaged for pretty much everything she does…. and she’s only 18 months old!

How is the current system fair? It isn’t.
But all these folks preaching mortality rates and education levels and custody population figures still cant explain to anyone how pouring billion’s and billion’s of dollars into this issue at the expense of the rest of us, is helping anyone.

Damn straight there is racisim… reverse racisim. But I guess 2 wrongs make a right in Australia these days.

If you’re a male, try getting a job as a sexual assault counsellor in a government-funded NGO – you generally can’t, even though men and boys get sexually assaulted too…

Please clarify statements like “I get less benefits from Centrelink.” Generally indigenous people get the same benefits, sometimes with a different name. Some negative discrimination was endemic not long ago – CEDP existed before work for the dole was rolled out to everyone. Then of course there’s the linking of benefits with children’s school attendance, which has been targeted at aboriginal families, i.e. negative discrimination.

AbStudy might be an exception, a genuine positive discrimination. I don’t think there’s a non-aboriginal equivalent, though I wonder about Youth Allowance.

The USA had affirmative action for decades – the concept is not all bad. Affirmative action in Australia targets all kinds of people for positive discrimination – women, rural and remote residents, indigenous people, sometimes even immigrants/refugees. Generally it is put in place to correct historical intergenerational disadvantage, or current disadvantage that arises from practices that should be gender/race-neutral but turn out not to be through subtle influences – e.g. a woman feeling reluctant to talk women’s issues with a male GP; issues of language or culture.

I suspect that if anyone audited the billions spend on trying to correct indigenous disadvantage, they’d find most of it goes into the pockets of whitefellas, just like Australia’s overseas aid is pocketed by overpaid consultants and APS staff posted overseas with very generous remuneration. Have a look around for news items on the building of new houses in remote Aboriginal communities, and look at the inflated cost of each house – partly explained by transport costs, but much of it looks like profiteering.

IP

I-filed 11:53 am 04 Feb 12

If this thread continues at this rate it might get the Mully for February as well : ]

Ben_Dover 8:03 am 04 Feb 12

chrisi said :

I get discriminated against because of my race.

I am specifically prevented from applying for certain jobs.
I get less benefits from Centrelink.
I get less priority for childcare services.
I don’t get the option to ‘call in a friend’ at public sector job interviews.
I don’t get preferential treatment for public housing.
I don’t get to call the race card for any problems I might be having, and then get leniency because of it.

.

You should try not working and getting arrested for a crime, one using violence is probably best. After a very brief, if any, period of incarceration you will have all the social agencies bending over backwards to help you.

chrisi 12:34 am 04 Feb 12

I get discriminated against because of my race.

I am specifically prevented from applying for certain jobs.
I get less benefits from Centrelink.
I get less priority for childcare services.
I don’t get the option to ‘call in a friend’ at public sector job interviews.
I don’t get preferential treatment for public housing.
I don’t get to call the race card for any problems I might be having, and then get leniency because of it.

Why? Because I’m NOT Aboriginal.
There’s political correctness, and there’s helping those disadvantaged…. but on god’s earth should I be disadvantaged in return? My daughter is disadvantaged for pretty much everything she does…. and she’s only 18 months old!

How is the current system fair? It isn’t.
But all these folks preaching mortality rates and education levels and custody population figures still cant explain to anyone how pouring billion’s and billion’s of dollars into this issue at the expense of the rest of us, is helping anyone.

Damn straight there is racisim… reverse racisim. But I guess 2 wrongs make a right in Australia these days.

Diggety 11:34 pm 03 Feb 12

@ Jim Jones and IrishPete: I need to know if you have a problem with the concept of Equality before the law?

After that, I’ll tell you how the single greatest impediment to our reconciliation is caused by individuals such as yourselves.

Special G 7:33 pm 03 Feb 12

Being a Ranga I am one of the most discriminated against people on the planet. We are a minority with no tangible benifits.

Make a change to legislation removing all reference to differning groups of Australians. Put everyone on the same playing field be it legal, criminal or welfare and take each case on it’s own merits. The system is perpetuating discrimination by treating people differently.

If any from the tent embassy want to make a change – get into politics and make a difference. The way they acted is disgraceful. The way they were blaming others for their violent actions just goes to show a lack of responsibility.

Skyring 1:50 pm 03 Feb 12

Jim Jones said :

Skyring said :

I just can’t see how race alone makes one person more or less disadvantaged than another. Is there some sort of automatic shift on the needy scale depending on the colour of your skin?

You can’t ignore ‘race’ or ‘aboriginality’ when addressing the disadvantage. It’s not race alone – it’s the culture and history that is inseparable from it.

I’ll take that as a yes answer. Thanks.

We can’t know what part “culture and history” plays in someone else’s life. We barely understand it in our own. I can’t speak the languages of all my ancestors even a few generations back, but it bugs me not. For others, it might be everything to them to know the lives, the languages, the histories. Gordon Matthews, for example.

Putting people into pigeonholes isn’t a black and white affair. Far better to treat everyone as an individual, to be loved, to be appreciated on their own merits, not according to whatever stereotype we might conjure up for them.

That includes all of us here – I am sure that every Canberran has at some stage been templated into some laughably inaccurate category.

Ben_Dover 1:25 pm 03 Feb 12

Jim Jones said :

Ah, accusations of middle class guilt. How very clever of you. And what else have you got in your grab-bag of discredited right-wing talking points? The bootstraps argument, perhaps? Something about ‘personal responsibility’? More whining about ‘my tax dollars’?

To counter that statement, you could always resort to your usual tricks of making things up which people have not said, and putting words into other people’s mouths, Jim. oh, hang about, I see you already have…

Jim Jones 12:28 pm 03 Feb 12

Ben_Dover said :

Skyring said :

I just can’t see how race alone makes one person more or less disadvantaged than another. Is there some sort of automatic shift on the needy scale depending on the colour of your skin?

Is there some sort of automatic shift on the white middle class guilt scale depending on the bent of your politics?

Fixed that for you.,/i>

Ah, accusations of middle class guilt. How very clever of you. And what else have you got in your grab-bag of discredited right-wing talking points? The bootstraps argument, perhaps? Something about ‘personal responsibility’? More whining about ‘my tax dollars’?

Ben_Dover 12:13 pm 03 Feb 12

Skyring said :

I just can’t see how race alone makes one person more or less disadvantaged than another. Is there some sort of automatic shift on the needy scale depending on the colour of your skin?

Is there some sort of automatic shift on the white middle class guilt scale depending on the bent of your politics?

Fixed that for you.,/i>

Jim Jones 11:44 am 03 Feb 12

Skyring said :

johnboy said :

Are you talking the averages or the specifics?

*Some* indigenous australians are doing much better than *most* non-indigenous Australians.

Well, yeeees, but that applies to any group of people, surely? Some Canberrans are doing much better than most non-Canberrans. Most politicians are doing better than some non-politicians. However you define it, there’s always some sort of bell curve.

I just can’t see how race alone makes one person more or less disadvantaged than another. Is there some sort of automatic shift on the needy scale depending on the colour of your skin?

You can’t ignore ‘race’ or ‘aboriginality’ when addressing the disadvantage. It’s not race alone – it’s the culture and history that is inseparable from it. Attempting to ignore facts of race/culture/aboriginality when addressing disadvantage because of some ‘colour blind, we’re all equal’ ideology is starry-eyed idealism riding roughshod over pragmatism.

Skyring 11:06 am 03 Feb 12

johnboy said :

Are you talking the averages or the specifics?

*Some* indigenous australians are doing much better than *most* non-indigenous Australians.

Well, yeeees, but that applies to any group of people, surely? Some Canberrans are doing much better than most non-Canberrans. Most politicians are doing better than some non-politicians. However you define it, there’s always some sort of bell curve.

I just can’t see how race alone makes one person more or less disadvantaged than another. Is there some sort of automatic shift on the needy scale depending on the colour of your skin?

Jim Jones 10:39 am 03 Feb 12

poetix said :

Baldy said :

Look at the argument between Jim Jones and Skyring to see how a real conversation plays out.

I don’t know if I’d quite call that a conversation… I’m expecting a challenge to a duel at any moment.

Skyring said :

Jim Jones said :

Skyring said :

You think it’s honest to portray conditions in remote camps as equivalent to Gungahlin? Really?

As for the rest of it, you may regard Aboriginal Australians as second class citizens regardless of circumstances or position. I don’t share this view.

And just where did I say any of that?

You’re projecting.

Well, OK. Let’s make it explicit. An Aboriginal Australian living in Gungahlin is as disadvantaged as an Aboriginal Australian living in a remote bush camp? YES/NO
Both are disadvantaged compared to non-Aboriginal Australians in exactly the same conditions? YES/NO

What is this, a census?

It depends on the people involved, obviously. Their conditions will necessarily vary and any assistance should be targetted (as all forms of assistance should be).

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