Skip to content Skip to main navigation

Just what do the Liberals think about light rail?

johnboy 18 August 2010 24

Greens candidate Lin Hatfield Dodds is asking unkind questions of the Liberals’ Gary Humphries:

“Gary Humphries in a debate with me on ABC Radio made it clear that he didn’t support Light Rail for Canberra, saying:

ABC’s Alex Sloan: “Fairy Tale stuff Mr Humphries?”

Mr Humphries: “It certainly is.”

Mr Humphries went on to add: “You can’t make those sort of promises, as a major party, and be taken seriously.”

“But this is in direct contradiction to the election policy of the Canberra Liberals which is still posted on the Party Website. Under the bold heading of “Time to Take Light Rail Seriously” the policy says:

The Canberra Liberals are seriously committed to addressing Canberra’s future transport needs and assessing the adoption of light rail in the Territory.

The Canberra Liberals would expect the Federal Government to contribute significantly to making light rail a reality in the ACT.

“This kind of duplicity during an election campaign appears a desperate attempt to conceal the lack of vision for Canberra’s future from the Liberal Party,” Ms Hatfield Dodds said.

We look forward to Gary Humphries putting anything at all online. Today we gather he’s off to hug puppies at the RSPCA. We await his answers to your questions (as we do from Ms Hatfield Dodds, or Kate Lundy for that matter).


What's Your Opinion?


Please login to post your comments, or connect with
24 Responses to Just what do the Liberals think about light rail?
Filter
Order
housebound housebound 9:32 pm 19 Aug 10

Maiy Azize said :

The ACT Greens/Labor Parliamentary agreement delivered nearly 100 Greens-proposed initiatives by the end 2009. To name the ones that have been delivered in the last couple of months …

Just turning up does not allow a Party to take credit for everything it happens to agree with. Some of these things were happening anyway, and Labor would have done them with or without the Greens (or already was doing them).

Do the Greens really think they deserve the credit for hundreds of millions of dollars in capital works given Stanhope’s penchant for spending on such things? Do you really think Labor wouldn’t have done a riparian management plan for the Molonglo, given all the other management plans for other areas in the ACT? Do the Greens really take credit for water saving, given that WSUD has come into fashion across Australia, largely in response to water scarcity (or do the Greens claim credit for that too?), and that WSUD has been in the draft revised Territory Plan from around 2005 onwards (and perhaps before)?

As for ‘re-opening the Kingston Library’ – how can you re-open something that didn’t previously exist? A real measure of power and effectiveness would have been the re-opening of the much-loved and well-used Griffith Library.

All that said, I’ll give the Greens the buses and climate change targets, noting that a poor-cousin climate change plan of sorts was in preparation well before the 2008 ACT election.

bd84 said :

They have done nothing for holding the government accountable here, how would it be any different at federal level?

Yet to see any real evidence of the Greens keeping the government accountable – but you need the Democrats for that. The Greens are there to progress their policies, and they are very open about that.

Pandy Pandy 9:25 pm 19 Aug 10

But Damian, your blog site has NOT been updated for almost a year?

@GunnaAl, Water-ducks-back

After reading the craziness they offer, I now will make place Pinkos last, with Labour 1st and Not So Liberals, somewhere leaning to the right.

damien haas damien haas 5:29 pm 19 Aug 10

All the major parties in the ACT are now in favour of light rail. A light rail backbone linking the major employment, education and population centres would bring tremendous benefits to the ACT. This is acknowledged in the ACT Governments own findings. The major impediment is, as has been identified already – cost.

This is where real leadership on this issue could be shown, and will be the subject of an article on my blog early next month.

Ironically, the Greens were the last party to support light rail. Getting political parties to support light rail has been a long and hard task.

People should understand that its not an either/or issue. Light rail and ACTION buses should coexist in a truly integrated network. Light rail acting as the high speed backbone, and park and ride/bus stops offering local connection.

ACT Light Rail continue to lobby for light rail and better public transport options in the ACT. We have made several submissions to various bodies/committees this year regarding public transport and light rail. We hold public meetings on the first Thursday of all months except December and January.

We are also in the process of printing up pro light rail for the ACT bumper stickers which should be available at our stand at the EV Festival.

Damien Haas

Chair, ACT Light Rail

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 5:00 pm 19 Aug 10

Well Pandy, I think that is a case of (to quote Sheldon Cooper): Bazinga.

PM PM 4:40 pm 19 Aug 10

And in 2008 the Greens kept on talking about buses being better than light rail.

caf caf 3:58 pm 19 Aug 10

I do believe Pandy just got pwned.

bigred: I’ve heard that argument before, and it still doesn’t make any sense. The TWU might drive buses, but they also drive trams. The CFMEU build roads, but they also build tram tracks.

Maiy Azize Maiy Azize 3:21 pm 19 Aug 10

Pandy said :

Maiy Azize, please provide us with the papers that show where *your* party put these initiatives to the Labor Party as part of a negotiation tool before it was announced by the Govmnt.

Or is it a case of vigorously nods head in agreement thinking “Gosh, wish we thought of that”?

Happy to.

Click here to read Senator Sarah Hanson-Young’s amendment to the Family Assistance Legislation Amendment (Child Care Budget Measures) Bill 2010, in which she moved an amendment which secured a fortnightly child care rebate payment

Click here to read Senator Bob Brown’s high speed rail feasibility proposal to the Senate, put forward on 12 May 2010, and click here to see the media release from Minister Albanese announcing the initiative on 5 August 2010.

Click here to read Julia Gillard’s letter in which she accepted the Greens’ proposals for flexible work hours (as well as pay equity, employment law services and modern award review proposals put forward by the Greens)

Click here to the Greens’ original proposals on the stimulus package and click here to read what the Greens were ultimately able to secure. This included the green jobs, the jobs creation package, heritage infrastructure investment, a social housing package and a $30 a week pension increase. The page also includes links to information about how these were negotiated as part of the stimulus package under each sub-heading and links to speeches from the respective Greens Senators about the various Greens’ proposals and negotiations

Click here to read about the $50 million preventative health package negotiated by the Greens and Senator Xenaphon

Click here to read the Greens’ policy programme in the ALP/Greens Parliamentary Agreement

Pandy Pandy 8:16 am 19 Aug 10

Maiy Azize, please provide us with the papers that show where *your* party put these initiatives to the Labor Party as part of a negotiation tool before it was announced by the Govmnt.

Or is it a case of vigorously nods head in agreement thinking “Gosh, wish we thought of that”?

ladyesprit ladyesprit 9:32 pm 18 Aug 10

what’s the lightrail for? canberra is such a small place. this idea makes me laugh! better spend the money to more meaningful and sensible project….

Thumper Thumper 9:30 pm 18 Aug 10

A high speed rail link between Melbourne, Canberra and Sydney feasibility study (the second stage will commence once the study has been completed)
– Fortnightly childcare rebate payments
– A flexible work package for carers and parents of children with disabilities
– $30 a week pension increase
– A $1.5 billion social housing package (which included 641 housing projects in the ACT to the value of $96,048,730)
– $50 million for public healthcare
– $60 million for heritage projects (which included the refurbishment of the Eddison Park Youth Recreation Facility and the refurbishment of Glebe Park)
– $40 million for community infrastructure (which included the upgrade of Canberra’s bike paths)
– A $200 million job fund
– $10 million for new jobs in the Lower Murray

The greens did all that?

Wow, I must be so out of touch.

Maiy Azize Maiy Azize 8:19 pm 18 Aug 10

bd84 said :

Name a major policy that the Greens put up at the ACT election that has been implemented, other than the few token compromises.

The ACT Greens/Labor Parliamentary agreement delivered nearly 100 Greens-proposed initiatives by the end 2009. To name the ones that have been delivered in the last couple of months:
– The Green Economy for the ACT project
– The Government’s carbon neutrality by 2060 target (the Government is also negotiating medium-term targets with the Greens)
– The REDEX Gungahlin and south Canberra buses
– The Small and Micro Business reforms
– The new energy policy
– The Mental Health Services Plan
– The Southlands Park and Ride facility was completed
– The Erindale Park and Ride facility was completed
– The Kingston Library reopening
– The provisions to address Inner North congestion
– The $394 million capital works program
– The initiative to require a minimum 6 star energy efficiency rating for new single residential housing
– The sustainability strategy for the new suburbs of Wright and Coomb
– Requiring water saving measures for new homes such as rainwater tanks or grey-water recycling
– Maximum solar access requirements
– The development of a Riparian Management Strategy for the Molonglo River corridor

bd84 said :

They have done nothing for holding the government accountable here, how would it be any different at federal level?

Well, just in the last three year term:

– A high speed rail link between Melbourne, Canberra and Sydney feasibility study (the second stage will commence once the study has been completed)
– Fortnightly childcare rebate payments
– A flexible work package for carers and parents of children with disabilities
– $30 a week pension increase
– A $1.5 billion social housing package (which included 641 housing projects in the ACT to the value of $96,048,730)
– $50 million for public healthcare
– $60 million for heritage projects (which included the refurbishment of the Eddison Park Youth Recreation Facility and the refurbishment of Glebe Park)
– $40 million for community infrastructure (which included the upgrade of Canberra’s bike paths)
– A $200 million job fund
– $10 million for new jobs in the Lower Murray

I noticed that last week on Q and A, Julia Gillard cited the pension increase, the childcare rebate payments and the flexible work changes as Labor Government reforms without mentioning that it was the Greens who proposed and negotiated them. I also noticed that Jenny Macklin was spruiking the community infrastructure and social housing initiatives on the campaign trail today without mentioning that the Greens forced the Government to make those investments as part of the stimulus package. My only complaint is that the lack of ownership over the achievements.

Pandy Pandy 7:14 pm 18 Aug 10

Fast forward to Hansard 2011. Senator Hatfield-Dodds Greens Canberra : “I am going to hold my breath, stomp my feet and if all else fails vote with the Liberals to block your bills, if you don’t give me light rail. So there!”

Is that all she has got? And we should be voting for these fools?

bigred bigred 5:32 pm 18 Aug 10

So if light rail is ever built (remember the TWU drives buses and the CFMEU tries to build roads and bridges) will the green with the double barrelled name get rid of her landf#cker and catch th tram? I doubt it.

caf caf 2:52 pm 18 Aug 10

Gungahlin Al: In the fairly unlikely event that Hatfield-Dodds wins the seat, the balance of power wouldn’t immediately go to the Green in their own right – it would be Greens plus one other (either Xenophon or Fielding).

Mothy Mothy 2:47 pm 18 Aug 10

bd84 said :

…in absence of that, it is far better for Canberra to have one labor and one liberal senator, otherwise we have no chance of getting anything done in this city.

Yeah, because if ever there was a way of “getting anything done”, it was to be lead by one guy saying one thing, and another automatically saying the opposite.

Voting Green in the Senate for the ACT – if for no other reason, than to strip Family First Steve Fielding of the Balance of Power ASAP.

bd84 bd84 2:17 pm 18 Aug 10

Gungahlin Al said :

Flawed argument that stands no scrutiny, but good toeing of the party spin line.

Every commentator acknowledges that the Greens will have the Senate balance of power from next July (next month if Lin Hatfield-Dodds boots Humphries out here). So they WILL be in the position to have some policies implemented, or to influence the policies of the governing party. Much the same as is currently happening now in the ACT Assembly.

And it is also well acknowledged that the Canberra community is going to get royally screwed if the Liberals get returned to government – on employment and on broadband.

Name a major policy that the Greens put up at the ACT election that has been implemented, other than the few token compromises. They have done nothing for holding the government accountable here, how would it be any different at federal level?

The fact is that the independent members of federal parliament do a far better job of scrutinising both liberal and labor government legislation. The Greens are spineless and eventually just agree with any labor policy, more of them is not a good thing. If there was a decent independent candidate I would vote for them, in absence of that, it is far better for Canberra to have one labor and one liberal senator, otherwise we have no chance of getting anything done in this city.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 12:45 pm 18 Aug 10

bd84 said :

Humphreys is correct, it is currently just a fairy tale that the Greens have put up as policy. It’s great for them to put up the idealistic policies that they will never have to honor, provide a cost and how they are going to fund the project. You can see what the Greens would be like holding the balance of power in the Senate by the farce which is the ACT legislative assembly. We’re screwed if we end up with these Greens idiots with any sort of power.

Flawed argument that stands no scrutiny, but good toeing of the party spin line.

Every commentator acknowledges that the Greens will have the Senate balance of power from next July (next month if Lin Hatfield-Dodds boots Humphries out here). So they WILL be in the position to have some policies implemented, or to influence the policies of the governing party. Much the same as is currently happening now in the ACT Assembly.

And it is also well acknowledged that the Canberra community is going to get royally screwed if the Liberals get returned to government – on employment and on broadband.

bd84 bd84 11:39 am 18 Aug 10

Humphreys is correct, it is currently just a fairy tale that the Greens have put up as policy. It’s great for them to put up the idealistic policies that they will never have to honor, provide a cost and how they are going to fund the project. You can see what the Greens would be like holding the balance of power in the Senate by the farce which is the ACT legislative assembly. We’re screwed if we end up with these Greens idiots with any sort of power.

caf caf 11:00 am 18 Aug 10

I guess there’s no contradiction if you assume that Humphries is indicating either that the Canberra Liberals can’t be taken seriously, or aren’t a major party. Statements that perhaps wouldn’t be without some level of support in the electorate!

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 10:49 am 18 Aug 10

Mothy said :

Regardless of what you think of Light Rail, shouldn’t Senator Humphries views be in line with the party that he represents? While I can accept no updates to ACT Light Rails website, as all that’s happening around them is the sound of crickets in the night, you’d think the Libs site would reflect current policy.

Yes. Light rail is a fantasy akin to santa clause, jesus, the great green arklesiezure and a credible alistair coe. However, if it is his partys policy he should support it.

CBR Tweets

Sign up to our newsletter

Top
Copyright © 2020 Region Group Pty Ltd. All rights reserved.
the-riotact.com | riotact.com.cn | aboutregional.com.au | b2bmagazine.com.au | thisiscanberra.com

Search across the site