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Just what do the Liberals think about light rail?

By johnboy - 18 August 2010 24

Greens candidate Lin Hatfield Dodds is asking unkind questions of the Liberals’ Gary Humphries:

“Gary Humphries in a debate with me on ABC Radio made it clear that he didn’t support Light Rail for Canberra, saying:

ABC’s Alex Sloan: “Fairy Tale stuff Mr Humphries?”

Mr Humphries: “It certainly is.”

Mr Humphries went on to add: “You can’t make those sort of promises, as a major party, and be taken seriously.”

“But this is in direct contradiction to the election policy of the Canberra Liberals which is still posted on the Party Website. Under the bold heading of “Time to Take Light Rail Seriously” the policy says:

The Canberra Liberals are seriously committed to addressing Canberra’s future transport needs and assessing the adoption of light rail in the Territory.

The Canberra Liberals would expect the Federal Government to contribute significantly to making light rail a reality in the ACT.

“This kind of duplicity during an election campaign appears a desperate attempt to conceal the lack of vision for Canberra’s future from the Liberal Party,” Ms Hatfield Dodds said.

We look forward to Gary Humphries putting anything at all online. Today we gather he’s off to hug puppies at the RSPCA. We await his answers to your questions (as we do from Ms Hatfield Dodds, or Kate Lundy for that matter).

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Just what do the Liberals think about light rail?
Thumper 9:30 pm 18 Aug 10

A high speed rail link between Melbourne, Canberra and Sydney feasibility study (the second stage will commence once the study has been completed)
– Fortnightly childcare rebate payments
– A flexible work package for carers and parents of children with disabilities
– $30 a week pension increase
– A $1.5 billion social housing package (which included 641 housing projects in the ACT to the value of $96,048,730)
– $50 million for public healthcare
– $60 million for heritage projects (which included the refurbishment of the Eddison Park Youth Recreation Facility and the refurbishment of Glebe Park)
– $40 million for community infrastructure (which included the upgrade of Canberra’s bike paths)
– A $200 million job fund
– $10 million for new jobs in the Lower Murray

The greens did all that?

Wow, I must be so out of touch.

Maiy Azize 8:19 pm 18 Aug 10

bd84 said :

Name a major policy that the Greens put up at the ACT election that has been implemented, other than the few token compromises.

The ACT Greens/Labor Parliamentary agreement delivered nearly 100 Greens-proposed initiatives by the end 2009. To name the ones that have been delivered in the last couple of months:
– The Green Economy for the ACT project
– The Government’s carbon neutrality by 2060 target (the Government is also negotiating medium-term targets with the Greens)
– The REDEX Gungahlin and south Canberra buses
– The Small and Micro Business reforms
– The new energy policy
– The Mental Health Services Plan
– The Southlands Park and Ride facility was completed
– The Erindale Park and Ride facility was completed
– The Kingston Library reopening
– The provisions to address Inner North congestion
– The $394 million capital works program
– The initiative to require a minimum 6 star energy efficiency rating for new single residential housing
– The sustainability strategy for the new suburbs of Wright and Coomb
– Requiring water saving measures for new homes such as rainwater tanks or grey-water recycling
– Maximum solar access requirements
– The development of a Riparian Management Strategy for the Molonglo River corridor

bd84 said :

They have done nothing for holding the government accountable here, how would it be any different at federal level?

Well, just in the last three year term:

– A high speed rail link between Melbourne, Canberra and Sydney feasibility study (the second stage will commence once the study has been completed)
– Fortnightly childcare rebate payments
– A flexible work package for carers and parents of children with disabilities
– $30 a week pension increase
– A $1.5 billion social housing package (which included 641 housing projects in the ACT to the value of $96,048,730)
– $50 million for public healthcare
– $60 million for heritage projects (which included the refurbishment of the Eddison Park Youth Recreation Facility and the refurbishment of Glebe Park)
– $40 million for community infrastructure (which included the upgrade of Canberra’s bike paths)
– A $200 million job fund
– $10 million for new jobs in the Lower Murray

I noticed that last week on Q and A, Julia Gillard cited the pension increase, the childcare rebate payments and the flexible work changes as Labor Government reforms without mentioning that it was the Greens who proposed and negotiated them. I also noticed that Jenny Macklin was spruiking the community infrastructure and social housing initiatives on the campaign trail today without mentioning that the Greens forced the Government to make those investments as part of the stimulus package. My only complaint is that the lack of ownership over the achievements.

Pandy 7:14 pm 18 Aug 10

Fast forward to Hansard 2011. Senator Hatfield-Dodds Greens Canberra : “I am going to hold my breath, stomp my feet and if all else fails vote with the Liberals to block your bills, if you don’t give me light rail. So there!”

Is that all she has got? And we should be voting for these fools?

bigred 5:32 pm 18 Aug 10

So if light rail is ever built (remember the TWU drives buses and the CFMEU tries to build roads and bridges) will the green with the double barrelled name get rid of her landf#cker and catch th tram? I doubt it.

caf 2:52 pm 18 Aug 10

Gungahlin Al: In the fairly unlikely event that Hatfield-Dodds wins the seat, the balance of power wouldn’t immediately go to the Green in their own right – it would be Greens plus one other (either Xenophon or Fielding).

Mothy 2:47 pm 18 Aug 10

bd84 said :

…in absence of that, it is far better for Canberra to have one labor and one liberal senator, otherwise we have no chance of getting anything done in this city.

Yeah, because if ever there was a way of “getting anything done”, it was to be lead by one guy saying one thing, and another automatically saying the opposite.

Voting Green in the Senate for the ACT – if for no other reason, than to strip Family First Steve Fielding of the Balance of Power ASAP.

bd84 2:17 pm 18 Aug 10

Gungahlin Al said :

Flawed argument that stands no scrutiny, but good toeing of the party spin line.

Every commentator acknowledges that the Greens will have the Senate balance of power from next July (next month if Lin Hatfield-Dodds boots Humphries out here). So they WILL be in the position to have some policies implemented, or to influence the policies of the governing party. Much the same as is currently happening now in the ACT Assembly.

And it is also well acknowledged that the Canberra community is going to get royally screwed if the Liberals get returned to government – on employment and on broadband.

Name a major policy that the Greens put up at the ACT election that has been implemented, other than the few token compromises. They have done nothing for holding the government accountable here, how would it be any different at federal level?

The fact is that the independent members of federal parliament do a far better job of scrutinising both liberal and labor government legislation. The Greens are spineless and eventually just agree with any labor policy, more of them is not a good thing. If there was a decent independent candidate I would vote for them, in absence of that, it is far better for Canberra to have one labor and one liberal senator, otherwise we have no chance of getting anything done in this city.

Gungahlin Al 12:45 pm 18 Aug 10

bd84 said :

Humphreys is correct, it is currently just a fairy tale that the Greens have put up as policy. It’s great for them to put up the idealistic policies that they will never have to honor, provide a cost and how they are going to fund the project. You can see what the Greens would be like holding the balance of power in the Senate by the farce which is the ACT legislative assembly. We’re screwed if we end up with these Greens idiots with any sort of power.

Flawed argument that stands no scrutiny, but good toeing of the party spin line.

Every commentator acknowledges that the Greens will have the Senate balance of power from next July (next month if Lin Hatfield-Dodds boots Humphries out here). So they WILL be in the position to have some policies implemented, or to influence the policies of the governing party. Much the same as is currently happening now in the ACT Assembly.

And it is also well acknowledged that the Canberra community is going to get royally screwed if the Liberals get returned to government – on employment and on broadband.

bd84 11:39 am 18 Aug 10

Humphreys is correct, it is currently just a fairy tale that the Greens have put up as policy. It’s great for them to put up the idealistic policies that they will never have to honor, provide a cost and how they are going to fund the project. You can see what the Greens would be like holding the balance of power in the Senate by the farce which is the ACT legislative assembly. We’re screwed if we end up with these Greens idiots with any sort of power.

caf 11:00 am 18 Aug 10

I guess there’s no contradiction if you assume that Humphries is indicating either that the Canberra Liberals can’t be taken seriously, or aren’t a major party. Statements that perhaps wouldn’t be without some level of support in the electorate!

colourful sydney rac 10:49 am 18 Aug 10

Mothy said :

Regardless of what you think of Light Rail, shouldn’t Senator Humphries views be in line with the party that he represents? While I can accept no updates to ACT Light Rails website, as all that’s happening around them is the sound of crickets in the night, you’d think the Libs site would reflect current policy.

Yes. Light rail is a fantasy akin to santa clause, jesus, the great green arklesiezure and a credible alistair coe. However, if it is his partys policy he should support it.

Mothy 10:09 am 18 Aug 10

Regardless of what you think of Light Rail, shouldn’t Senator Humphries views be in line with the party that he represents? While I can accept no updates to ACT Light Rails website, as all that’s happening around them is the sound of crickets in the night, you’d think the Libs site would reflect current policy.

Pandy 9:43 am 18 Aug 10

Yeah even ACT Light Rail has given up on it. Not one update to their webpage for months.

Thumper 9:35 am 18 Aug 10

Pie in the sky. Ain’t going to happen folks.

Move along, no pork to be seen here.

Pandy 8:57 am 18 Aug 10

Who will fork out the billions to build a light rail network?

Governments don’t want to invest public infrastructure of this magnitude, unless it is privately built. Private investors have too often been burnt by the numbers that dont stack up, so they wont build light rail for Canberra.

Will an ACT Government go to the public saying, we have to impose extra taxes upon you to pay for building light rail?

The only way this will be built is if the Federals build it. Have the major parties done polling on what the marginals in Western Sydney think on spending billions on light rail in Canberra?

Remember it was the Greens that some 8 years ago said you could build light rail to Gungahlin for a mere $75million when every major study done by real experts said no-way.

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