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Memo to Canberra’s sports administrators. Get out of your heated box and go sit in the stands

johnboy 11 June 2013 30

There’s a lot of whining coming out of the Raiders and Brumbies camps (and their associated tame shills we call journalists) about Canberra crowds being on the low side despite the teams playing rather well.

I would humbly suggest that anyone surprised by the turnouts should try getting out of corporate hospitality and try sitting in the cold, windy, often wet conditions on the sideline.

Sitting in the pub, or even at home, begins to seem like a better option than paying a lot of money to get very cold.

The Brumbies especially need to realise that the extended super rugby season is pushing their night time games into much colder territory.

In years gone by the fans would turn out in June, but that was for a grand final.


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Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 10:39 am 12 Jun 13

gungsuperstar said :

but Canberra is a major city, .

I think I see where you are going wrong

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 9:31 am 12 Jun 13

watto23 said :

For those not in the know, the new stadium will be rectangular because otherwise the roof structure probably doesn’t work for an oval…

Huh? Where did the Socceroos play last night? True, the roof at Etihad is rectangular, but the ground is not.

A hanky would cover most rectangular pitches. 😛

dungfungus dungfungus 9:18 am 12 Jun 13

dpm said :

dungfungus said :

“…The cold weather means one is constantly going to the toilets…

Interesting phenomena, though I have to say i’ve never experienced that correlation! Is that something to do with ‘significant shrinkage’? hahaha!

Well, I hope you remember what you said today when it happens to. Lucky for you that the Human Rights Commissioner doesn’t bother with ageism or you would be toast. hahaha! indeed.

Basilbrush Basilbrush 8:33 am 12 Jun 13

The seats are crap – no leg room either – like cattle class on JAL. The cold weather means one is constantly going to the toilets and annoying the other patrons who have no legroom either. Security staff are over zealous by wanting to check tickets 5 minutes before full time.

+1
I agree. I paid $58 each for 6 tickets – only to find that one of the seats was situated under a huge bolt that was holding the stadium together (there were not that many, but we were lucky enough to sit under one of them) – which dripped condensation onto my lap. It has been dripping for a while as there was a huge rust mark on the ground where it drips. After notifying someone, they were kind enough to move us a few rows forward. This was on a Sunday arvo when it was sunny – no rain at all – and yet there was condensation dripping constantly.

We all went to watch the game prior to the Brumbies (a few times now) but had to purchase Brumbies tickets if we wanted to get in. I didn’t mind as I watched both games and had fun.

The stadium either needs a facelift (including more cover). I used to work there back in the early 80s and not much has improved.

They might like to also set up the food earlier and include something like hot soup and bread for a few $$. Not just horrible overpriced chips.

If they want the fans to turn up then make some improvements.

dpm dpm 7:51 am 12 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

“…The cold weather means one is constantly going to the toilets…

Interesting phenomena, though I have to say i’ve never experienced that correlation! Is that something to do with ‘significant shrinkage’? hahaha!

HenryBG HenryBG 1:41 am 12 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

Muttsybignuts said :

I try to go to a few League and Union games across the season however, like most others, am put off by the ticket pricing ( for shit seats), the woefully overpriced food and drink and the long lines negotiated to get said over priced food and drink. You miss too much of the game lined up for a $5 pie and a $5 coke.

The seats are crap – no leg room either – like cattle class on JAL. The cold weather means one is constantly going to the toilets and annoying the other patrons who have no legroom either. Security staff are over zealous by wanting to check tickets 5 minutes before full time.
It’s a much better proposition to go to the nearest club big screen where the beer is decent and normal price and they have chairs, not seats without the Arctic atmosphere. The “pies” at Bruce Stadium are disgusting. A covered stadium will not solve any of the aforementioned problems.

Agreed. It’s a no-brainer.

Additionally, football stadiums are much higher on the security risk gradient than clubs with big screens. If you’re going to get caught up in an outrage, it will be at a railway station or a stadium.

damien haas damien haas 11:33 pm 11 Jun 13

watto23 said :

For those not in the know, the new stadium will be rectangular because otherwise the roof structure probably doesn’t work for an oval. Its like a big plastic greenhouse. Look for photos for of the stadium in Dunedin the Highlanders use in the super rugby.

etihad in melbourne is an AFL ground, it is an oval shape. There are no bad seats there.

dungfungus dungfungus 10:04 pm 11 Jun 13

Muttsybignuts said :

I try to go to a few League and Union games across the season however, like most others, am put off by the ticket pricing ( for shit seats), the woefully overpriced food and drink and the long lines negotiated to get said over priced food and drink. You miss too much of the game lined up for a $5 pie and a $5 coke.

The seats are crap – no leg room either – like cattle class on JAL. The cold weather means one is constantly going to the toilets and annoying the other patrons who have no legroom either. Security staff are over zealous by wanting to check tickets 5 minutes before full time.
It’s a much better proposition to go to the nearest club big screen where the beer is decent and normal price and they have chairs, not seats without the Arctic atmosphere. The “pies” at Bruce Stadium are disgusting. A covered stadium will not solve any of the aforementioned problems.

Martlark Martlark 9:52 pm 11 Jun 13

2nd Coldest night of my life was spent getting bored mindless at Bruce stadium trying to watch tiny any figures far away. Rugby is boring to watch and getting frozen as well does not help.

Muttsybignuts Muttsybignuts 9:38 pm 11 Jun 13

I try to go to a few League and Union games across the season however, like most others, am put off by the ticket pricing ( for shit seats), the woefully overpriced food and drink and the long lines negotiated to get said over priced food and drink. You miss too much of the game lined up for a $5 pie and a $5 coke.

watto23 watto23 8:58 pm 11 Jun 13

Well I was shocked when I rocked up last night and they wanted $38 for the cheapest seats! I paid $60 for the test match and had better seats. Funny thing was they’d clearly given a few freebies out and as we were about to pay, a guy offered us 4 free tickets, which were better than the best they could sell us! It wasn’t that long ago the tickets were $20-25. I think they were $33 last year and less the year before. Foxtel is suddenly cheap when you factor in the brumbies, raiders and anything else.

For those not in the know, the new stadium will be rectangular because otherwise the roof structure probably doesn’t work for an oval. Its like a big plastic greenhouse. Look for photos for of the stadium in Dunedin the Highlanders use in the super rugby.

gungsuperstar gungsuperstar 7:54 pm 11 Jun 13

There were a couple of seasons as a Raiders member where I went to every single game. It was bloody awful. Bruce Stadium is an irrelevant concrete wasteland, and it is 100% the reason that the Raiders lost at least 1 member.

As a fan of different codes, I’m fortunate enough to get to other cities to view sport – and yet, I will no longer go in Canberra. It is literally the worst “major” stadium on the mainland eastern seaboard, and I won’t get hypothermia watching Fox Sports.

You would think that in a place like Canberra you would a) build in some sort of wind protection, b) have a much higher proportion of seating under cover, and c) not make the thing entirely of concrete making it like an ice bath. I couldn’t tell you how many times I came home from a night game not only freezing cold, but damp from the falling dew.

The time has come. I know the ACT budget is fairly perilous at the moment, but Canberra is a major city, and just like roads that not everyone uses, bike paths that not everyone uses, public transport that not everyone uses, schools that not everyone uses and hospitals that not everyone uses, a stadium that allows sporting teams to attract tourists and to put your city on the map should be considered infrastructure that is a perfectly acceptable use of public funds. Especially when the current one is ancient and not fit for purpose. (For the record, I don’t accept the need to wait for a whole city to lake development. It’s proximity to the Tuggers parkway makes the current location perfectly acceptable for a knockdown-rebuild)

And yet we keep spending money on 2 sub standard stadiums with lights at Manuka and resurfacing of both stadiums… when we should’ve built a stadium like Docklands in Melbourne where the seats are retractable (see tonights Socceroos game to see the seats moved in) and kill 2 birds with one stone.

Get it done already. If locals won’t endure this crap to go and watch their own teams play really great, entertaining footy, how the hell are we going to attract opposition supporters to come here and spend their money?

Aside from footy, the fact that we don’t have a stadium worthy of even being considered for international cricket is an embarrassment when the Hobart test a couple of years ago averaged about 9000 people a day. A 35,000 seat stadium with some sort of a roof, retractable seating, and a car park that you don’t get bogged in if it rains is a must for any true city. We need to stop building stupid galleries that appeal only to the latte set and appeal to a broader range of potential tourists. (Did we really need a portrait gallery on top of a national gallery and a national museum?)

Canberra is, by and large, a pretty affluent city. I don’t accept that the cost of attending is in any way a barrier to people attending – especially when club memberships are promoted so heavily and the Canberra teams still can’t move them. The issue is absolutely the stadium.

If you build it, they will come.

Skidd Marx Skidd Marx 7:04 pm 11 Jun 13

Atmosphere and alcohol consumption are positively correlated.

Deckard Deckard 6:50 pm 11 Jun 13

I really think Canberra Stadium is too shallow. Most fans sit too far away from the action to feel part of the game – especially if you’re sitting over on the eastern side. If you’ve got someone tall in front of you you’ll have an obstructed view.

A stadium like AAMI park in Melbourne would be perfect. The stands are steep and close to field so you really feel like you’re part of the game even if you’re 20 rows back.

dpm dpm 6:28 pm 11 Jun 13

Thumper said :

Cold is bearable.

Wet is not.

+1

I don’t mind the cold, but if it’s raining (or there is a high probability of rain!) I tend to find somewhere else to watch Brumbies games. Perhaps I’m a bit soft – the PL football fans in England don’t seem to be put off by snow! 🙂

Ronald_Coase Ronald_Coase 5:55 pm 11 Jun 13

NRL ticketing policy is quite silly. They fail to take the interconnectedness of atmosphere and the value of selling the broadcasting rights. I suspect the problem lies in the division of revenue from the game, but am happy to stand corrected.

The stadium, and presumably the clubs, get revenue directly from supporters through charging entry, but the big bucks are for selling the broadcast rights, which the clubs get via the NRL.

The entry ticket prices don’t take into account that demand for each game varies, hence we have sell-out games sometimes when the demand is high, but mostly empty seats for other games.

Why oh why can’t they experiment with the ticket prices to get a better approximation of demand? If they did, I suspect they would increase revenue and the experience.

Seriously, if you’ve got kids do you really want to pay the motza it costs to watch the game and pay for food at the stadium. Sure, you could bring your own food, but when you want to watch the friggin game and all your kids are saying is, “Dad, I want chips” it’s not such a great experience. Last time I went it was north of $50 for one adult and a child, plus almost $20 to buy the crap food.

For two hours entertainment and the rain, why would I do that when I can subscribe to Fox for the month, buy food and beer, sit at home and let my kids watch DVDs or other entertainment when they’re bored? Ticket prices are too high, the food is god-awful and the beer is in a plastic cup and costs a motza. But I would go if it were cheaper, hence the NRL gets a better atmosphere and the stadium earns some money.

For the economists out there, it’s pretty friggn obvious that the administrators have no idea about demand and supply. So yes, you idiotic sports administrators get out of the corporate box, speak to fans, and change the goddman pricing you morons!

cranky cranky 5:46 pm 11 Jun 13

Not a football enthusiast, but does it cost more than $20 to spectate a game?

beardedclam beardedclam 3:51 pm 11 Jun 13

CrocodileGandhi said :

johnboy said :

A full house for the Lions game at least I hear.

There’s no guarantee that it will lead to a better atmosphere, though. I find that the atmosphere of these types of matches is usually worse than the 10,000ish fans that the Raiders and Brumbies usually muster. You tend to get a horde of sports fans who are not necessarily Brumbies or even rugby fans. The last few times the Wallabies have played in town I have been surrounded by people complaining that rugby is boring.

The ANZAC test played earlier this year is by far the worst atmosphere I have ever encountered while watching sport and that includes when I used to play junior soccer at Wanniassa oval.

Thats because everyone was lined up for a drink or something to eat for half the game.

beardedclam beardedclam 3:49 pm 11 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

beardedclam said :

New covered stadium in the City sounds good.

you’re deamin’.

Thats right, deamin’ it the right way forward.

CrocodileGandhi CrocodileGandhi 3:42 pm 11 Jun 13

johnboy said :

A full house for the Lions game at least I hear.

There’s no guarantee that it will lead to a better atmosphere, though. I find that the atmosphere of these types of matches is usually worse than the 10,000ish fans that the Raiders and Brumbies usually muster. You tend to get a horde of sports fans who are not necessarily Brumbies or even rugby fans. The last few times the Wallabies have played in town I have been surrounded by people complaining that rugby is boring.

The ANZAC test played earlier this year is by far the worst atmosphere I have ever encountered while watching sport and that includes when I used to play junior soccer at Wanniassa oval.

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