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More Driver Bastardry on the GDE

Mothy 25 March 2011 63

I’ve had a grumble in the past about drivers on the GDE who see the queue in the right hand lane between Mitchell and the Barton Highway overpass and so switch to the left hand lane, so as to pass a few cars and shove their way in further up the line at the merge point just before the bridge.

Seems there are some who think that’s fine. So I wanted to get your take on the latest queue jumping efforts observed on the GDE. I figured once was an innocent mistake, but having seen it twice now, I think it’s becoming a “thing”.

With the roadworks now extending from the Barton Highway overpass all the way to Belconnen Way, the GDE has been known to crawl along at 20kmph throughout. This evidently frustrates some, and in order to queue jump, they take the Gininderra Drive exit at speed, and instead of turning left or right, proceed straight across and proceed back up the on ramp on the other side, rejoining the GDE some 20 car lengths further up.

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Maggiwi Maggiwi 3:16 pm 02 Jun 11

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Innovation Innovation 10:48 am 29 Apr 11

Holden Caulfield said :

Innovation said :

Holden Caulfield – I think you’re missing the point. What is happening at Deakin is lateral thinking but it is disrespectful to others in the queue to turn left. It is likely to result in drivers who have in the past courteously pulled over to the left to allow lane splitting, legally refuse to do so in the future therefore blocking all cars turning right.

In my case, even though I usually, but always genuinely, turn right, I am tempted not to lane split any more and wait my turn in the queue blocking all other traffic turning right. Watch the feathers fly then.

I understand the scene being portrayed, but I guess I don’t know how often it is happening. I’m guessing not very often. Therefore, exercising your right to take the appropriate place in the lane probably won’t have the effect you’re predicting.

Disrespectful to other motorists? That’s your view. An alternate and legal method of dealing with a traffic inconvenience is another.

Let’s say you approach a set of traffic lights with two lanes. There’s already 10 cars in the left lane and none in the right lane; what would you do? It’s the same basic principle, some will use the left lane, others will use the empty lane. That is, some want to reduce their commute, others are not too fussed. Both approaches are legal and seem perfectly reasonable to me.

Personally, I can’t see the point in making my commute longer than it needs to be if there is an alternate option. True, in most cases, it probably doesn’t really matter if it takes me a few minutes to get to my destination. Equally, it doesn’t really matter if I get there a few minutes earlier.

Contrary to JJ’s choice term, I don’t have a stick up my ass, I’m just offering a differing opinion.

I’ve been off line for a while hence why I haven’t commented on this (and I probably won’t bother again after this as I don’t see much point). In response to your guess, the incidence of cars jumping the queue may not be that often. However, the number of cars genuinely turning right is a lot. If one car blocks all cars turning right (because they have seen one jumping the queue) then all cars turning right genuine or otherwise are affected.

In response to other comments of yours. It is not legal to lane split (although I agree that everything they do once they have turned right is legal). However, consider this, if 50% or more of those waiting to turn left (which sometimes banks up to Adelaide Avenue) start turning right, the Kent Street bridge will become a car park from time to time and at those times no-one will be able to turn right from Weston Creek.

I agree though that this like many other driving practices are not a big deal. I tend to laugh at the selfish, arrogant, aggressive, short sighted and/or stupid behaviour of other drivers than to get too worked up about it. May be I should start to do legal things such as legally blocking lanes to stop illegal lane splitting, legally driving below the speed limit etc just so I can have an even bigger laugh.

Bluey Bluey 1:26 pm 15 Apr 11

lobster said :

I just wish they would make every road everywhere single lane.
Nothing makes me RAGE like getting overtaken by anyone.
I mean FFS I am the best driver in the world – why would anyone need to go faster than me.

I am sick of people going faster than me and not waiting in the exact same line as me.

You would be suprised the amount of people try doing this.

I was driving down Northbourne ave the other day and a bus in front of me stopped to let passengers on/off and the car in front of me simply changed lanes and went around it! I was flabbergasted and consdiered writing a harsh letter to my local member of parliament.
So I did what other people on here do before a form one lane point and parked my car accross all three lanes so that no other cars could go past without waiting in the queue that I was in. Other drivers were swearing at me and honking their horns and one driver even flashed his headlights at me!
My pomeranian named Gweneth that was sitting on my lap at the time was most scared adn I had to drop in to James Court McDoanlds to buy her a Chicken Ceasar wrap to calm her stomach down after the ordeal that others had put her through.

All of this just because people felt it was OK to just “go around” something that was slowing them down.

Gen Y people these days!

Laughed my arse off! Brilliant.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 11:20 am 15 Apr 11

Holden Caulfield said :

An alternate and legal method of dealing with a traffic inconvenience.

That’s an interesting synonym for queue-jumping.

Much better than ‘it’s not a queue, it’s just a line of traffic’.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 11:07 am 15 Apr 11

Innovation said :

Holden Caulfield – I think you’re missing the point. What is happening at Deakin is lateral thinking but it is disrespectful to others in the queue to turn left. It is likely to result in drivers who have in the past courteously pulled over to the left to allow lane splitting, legally refuse to do so in the future therefore blocking all cars turning right.

In my case, even though I usually, but always genuinely, turn right, I am tempted not to lane split any more and wait my turn in the queue blocking all other traffic turning right. Watch the feathers fly then.

I understand the scene being portrayed, but I guess I don’t know how often it is happening. I’m guessing not very often. Therefore, exercising your right to take the appropriate place in the lane probably won’t have the effect you’re predicting.

Disrespectful to other motorists? That’s your view. An alternate and legal method of dealing with a traffic inconvenience is another.

Let’s say you approach a set of traffic lights with two lanes. There’s already 10 cars in the left lane and none in the right lane; what would you do? It’s the same basic principle, some will use the left lane, others will use the empty lane. That is, some want to reduce their commute, others are not too fussed. Both approaches are legal and seem perfectly reasonable to me.

Personally, I can’t see the point in making my commute longer than it needs to be if there is an alternate option. True, in most cases, it probably doesn’t really matter if it takes me a few minutes to get to my destination. Equally, it doesn’t really matter if I get there a few minutes earlier.

Contrary to JJ’s choice term, I don’t have a stick up my ass, I’m just offering a differing opinion.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 10:32 am 15 Apr 11

Holden Caulfield said :

and we’ll both sleep happily tonight, because…

Sleeping pills? Booze?

Jim Jones Jim Jones 9:15 am 15 Apr 11

Innovation said :

Holden Caulfield – I think you’re missing the point. What is happening at Deakin is lateral thinking but it is disrespectful to others in the queue to turn left. It is likely to result in drivers who have in the past courteously pulled over to the left to allow lane splitting, legally refuse to do so in the future therefore blocking all cars turning right.

In my case, even though I usually, but always genuinely, turn right, I am tempted not to lane split any more and wait my turn in the queue blocking all other traffic turning right. Watch the feathers fly then.

Oooh, you’re a complete fascist for believing that!

Innovation Innovation 7:34 pm 14 Apr 11

Holden Caulfield – I think you’re missing the point. What is happening at Deakin is lateral thinking but it is disrespectful to others in the queue to turn left. It is likely to result in drivers who have in the past courteously pulled over to the left to allow lane splitting, legally refuse to do so in the future therefore blocking all cars turning right.

In my case, even though I usually, but always genuinely, turn right, I am tempted not to lane split any more and wait my turn in the queue blocking all other traffic turning right. Watch the feathers fly then.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 5:21 pm 14 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

If you think that ‘it doesn’t really matter’, then why have you got such a stick up your ass about the whole thing?

Well, duh, this is RA and I like thoughtcrime.

Actually, I reckon your queue at all cost mentality and apparent inflexibility on the matter is a bit lemming like as in 1984. But that’s just me. No doubt you’ll view it differently and we’ll both sleep happily tonight, because…

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 4:17 pm 14 Apr 11

Holden Caulfield said :

Go and read 1984 if you must.

Go and read Catcher in the … oh, wait…

Jim Jones Jim Jones 3:11 pm 14 Apr 11

Holden Caulfield said :

Go and read 1984 if you must.

Oh yeah, because I’ve been proposing the establishment of a totalitarian fascist state (rather than basic courtesy for others). That makes perfect sense.

If you think that ‘it doesn’t really matter’, then why have you got such a stick up your ass about the whole thing?

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 2:52 pm 14 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

So you think it’s okay for people to queue-jump.

With respect, I disagree.

In the particular context being spoken of at Deakin, if someone is prepared to go to the hassle of making the effort to do what has been described, then more power to them. If I could be arsed I’d probably do it myself too.

As a rule I don’t approve of queue jumping. I guess it looks like we have differing views on when a queue is formed. I certainly don’t recall reading anything about queues, as you’re describing them, when getting my licence.

I also do agree on the general theme of road users being more courteous—hence my belief people should use two lanes and merge, rather than make one single line that can, at times, be totally counter productive. If road users were more courteous (and had half a brain) then an extraorindarily simple task like merging wouldn’t cause such angst in the first place. Seems to me the angst and tension rests with the single laners and not the other way around.

However, does it really matter?

In the issue being discussed at Deakin, and equally in previous topics of a similar nature, nobody’s life is being put at risk, no road rules are being broken, so why is it so hard to practice what you preach and just relax about it? I’m fairly certain your “enemies” don’t really care what you think and won’t take any notice. Save your passion for your loved ones, or a cause that has actual merit.

Newsflash, we’re all different. Go and read 1984 if you must.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 1:49 pm 14 Apr 11

Holden Caulfield said :

Jim Jones said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Sounds like clever lateral thinking to me.

Sounds like a selfish asshole to me — someone is getting to their destination (marginally) quicker by being tricky and making others wait longer as a result.

How is that not queue-jumping?

I would have assumed that most people would be in favour of altering Canberra’s road culture for the better: to be more considerate, courteous, and aware of others; by making people more aware that the people in other cars aren’t ‘the enemy’, but actual human beings, instead of the same old selfish bollocks that is so common on the roads.

Seems to me that by calling someone a selfish asshole it is you considering the other road user the enemy, rather than the other way around. I get your point, in this particular instance at Deakin, but really, you go on about not being in a rush and calming down and it doesn’t matter if you get to your destination a bit later. Well, practice what you preach, and so long as the other motorist isn’t breaking any laws, what do you care? Does it really matter if you don’t take the opportunity to get on your soapbox?

Maybe they’re running late for a doctor’s appointment, maybe they want to get a better car parking space, maybe it just doesn’t matter.

So you think it’s okay for people to queue-jump.

With respect, I disagree.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 1:43 pm 14 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Sounds like clever lateral thinking to me.

Sounds like a selfish asshole to me — someone is getting to their destination (marginally) quicker by being tricky and making others wait longer as a result.

How is that not queue-jumping?

I would have assumed that most people would be in favour of altering Canberra’s road culture for the better: to be more considerate, courteous, and aware of others; by making people more aware that the people in other cars aren’t ‘the enemy’, but actual human beings, instead of the same old selfish bollocks that is so common on the roads.

Seems to me that by calling someone a selfish asshole it is you considering the other road user the enemy, rather than the other way around. I get your point, in this particular instance at Deakin, but really, you go on about not being in a rush and calming down and it doesn’t matter if you get to your destination a bit later. Well, practice what you preach, and so long as the other motorist isn’t breaking any laws, what do you care? Does it really matter if you don’t take the opportunity to get on your soapbox?

Maybe they’re running late for a doctor’s appointment, maybe they want to get a better car parking space, maybe it just doesn’t matter.

ThatUniStudent ThatUniStudent 1:20 pm 14 Apr 11

The_Bulldog said :

I also hate the adversarial nature of driving in Canberra – and I used to carry on like a pork-chop when I saw this kind of thing. Then I realised that by tailgating these clowns and hurling abuse at them I had become part of the problem and not the solution. My advice – take a deep breath and consider whether getting to your destination a minute or two later is worth the added stress before you decide the person who pushed in is really your mortal enemy.

That being said these people still deserve to be lined up and shot with a ball of their own excrement.

I like the deep breath part of this. I mean does it matter that you will get to the next red light a few seconds before the car in front of you?

EvanJames EvanJames 1:13 pm 14 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

This morning, there was a big line leading to the coffee machine in my local cafe. I noticed that there was room to the left of the line, so I walked ahead that way and merged into the front of the line. Someone got snippy and accused me of jumping the queue. I just told them that it was ‘incorrect to call it a queue’, it’s actually ‘a line of traffic’.

Good analogy. I think that, anyone who is failing to “get” it, is simply determined to keep pushing ahead in such situations if they think they can get away with it.

There’s no other way to cut it, they think they are more entitled, cleverer, more important than anyone else.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 12:46 pm 14 Apr 11

Holden Caulfield said :

Sounds like clever lateral thinking to me.

Sounds like a selfish asshole to me — someone is getting to their destination (marginally) quicker by being tricky and making others wait longer as a result.

How is that not queue-jumping?

I would have assumed that most people would be in favour of altering Canberra’s road culture for the better: to be more considerate, courteous, and aware of others; by making people more aware that the people in other cars aren’t ‘the enemy’, but actual human beings, instead of the same old selfish bollocks that is so common on the roads.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 12:33 pm 14 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

georgesgenitals said :

Good luck with cutting others off, then

+1

This morning, there was a big line leading to the coffee machine in my local cafe. I noticed that there was room to the left of the line, so I walked ahead that way and merged into the front of the line. Someone got snippy and accused me of jumping the queue. I just told them that it was ‘incorrect to call it a queue’, it’s actually ‘a line of traffic’.

Here I was thinking, as individuals, we just wanted to get from A to B in the most convenient and timely manner using a network of roads that are available to us all. If only someone told me that “B” was actually JJ’s precious coffee machine then it would have been much clearer we were all going to the same place and then, yes, it might be more appropriate to form an orderly queue as most would in any other similar context.

Maybe JJ and his ilk, to ease their pointless frustration, can instigate some sort of ticket system for road users, like you might see in a bakery. That way, not only will each road user know when JJ has approved their progression in the queue, but he also has the added fun of telling us all where to go.

I suspect JJ would enjoy that.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 12:23 pm 14 Apr 11

Mothy said :

Innovation said :

I know this is an old thread but I remembered it yesterday when I saw a stunt on the off ramp from Adelaide Avenue to the Kent Street overpass. For those who don’t use it, the off ramp is wide enough to allow left hand turning drivers in what is often a long queue pull over to the left and allow right hand turning drivers lane split and go up the right hand side.

Although not strictly legal to lane split I have always appreciated the courtesy of most drivers in allowing this. However, yesterday I again saw someone who thought they were clever by turning right, going over the bridge, turning right around at the roundabout (forcing traffic from weston creek to give way) and then travelling back over the bridge forcing those still in the queue to turn left off the off ramp to give way to them also. They obviously thought that no-one realised that they were so smart and will be puzzled or may be even irritated when drivers on the off ramp legally move in to the middle of the lane stopping all right hand turning traffic from lane splitting.

Yep, know the spot. Bastardry at play there is similar – legal, but mean spirited and impolite.

Sounds like clever lateral thinking to me. But what would I know, I’m just a road user too.

lobster nailed this whole storm in a tea cup perfectly with post #39.

If only these single laners back at the original roundabout at hand would actually understand it would be quicker if everyone used the two lanes and merged properly, as the road is designed to be used, rather than forming a queue and leaving a perfectly useable lane empty then we wouldn’t need these silly discussions. It’s really quite comical how absurd this notion is. That so many seemingly mature adults cannot grasp the concept is astounding.

Worse is the assumption that merging is somehow discourteous to other road users. Surely, forming a line of traffic that makes it take longer to get form A to B is more discourteous, haha!

C’est la vie.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 11:07 am 14 Apr 11

georgesgenitals said :

Good luck with cutting others off, then

+1

This morning, there was a big line leading to the coffee machine in my local cafe. I noticed that there was room to the left of the line, so I walked ahead that way and merged into the front of the line. Someone got snippy and accused me of jumping the queue. I just told them that it was ‘incorrect to call it a queue’, it’s actually ‘a line of traffic’.

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