New Developments in Solar Technology

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

Your response in a thread about developments in solar technology was:

But!…Coal!…

Hmm, for a guy who doesn’t like people misquoting him, you sure do a lot of it. Can you point out where I said “but…coal”?

FFS! I think my brain just exploded.

You added those quote marks in YOURSELF to make it appear as though I had written something I did not.

AGAIN.

Lunatic.

HenryBG said :

Your response in a thread about developments in solar technology was:

But!…Coal!…

Hmm, for a guy who doesn’t like people misquoting him, you sure do a lot of it. Can you point out where I said “but…coal”?

Nah didn’t think so, you just like trying to hold people to higher standards than you hold yourself.

And what the Hell do Andrew Bolt and Tim Flannery have to do with anything discussed here?

Where’d the Logic master go?

I actually have no idea why you’ve posted such crap when I actually agree that we should be investing far more money in renewable energy.

You seem to have attributed a position to me that I never said or even intimated. Nice work cranky pants.

chewy14 said :

You tried to suggest that the Chinese government is being “visionary”…

Oh yes, and use of the fake quote. Obviously, I wrote no such thing.
Well done.
Andrew Bolt would be proud.

Why don’t you give us some Tim Flannery “quotes”, while you are at it?

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

It’s a stupid “point” when the topic at hand is “Developments in Solar Technology”.

As is the wont of the logically-deprived, you try to veer off on a completely “point”less tangent by talking about coal.
Or, if you actually do know what you’re doing in this discussion, you are deliberately trying to misdirect. But I doubt it. The quality of your argumentation suggests you’re not even being that dishonest.

Bahahahahaha. I didn’t veer off on anything.

Your response in a thread about developments in solar technology was:

But!…Coal!…

The usual meaningless gibberish from people who can’t grasp or accept change.

Your “energy mix” is just another layer of nonsense, probably gleaned from reading too many Andrew Bolt columns: There’s no rule or law of physics that says you have to have any particular “mix”. It’s all about economics and opportunity.

Iceland has its own peculiar “mix”, Tasmania has a particular mix including 15% coal, South Australia has 21% wind, in Spain wind occupies a 40% greater share of the “mix” than does coal.

chewy14 said :

I’m actually a big supporter of increasing Australia’s use of renewable energy sources but they need to be taken in context of the overall energy mix.

+1

This is exaclty the attitude we need.

HenryBG said :

It’s a stupid “point” when the topic at hand is “Developments in Solar Technology”.

As is the wont of the logically-deprived, you try to veer off on a completely “point”less tangent by talking about coal.
Or, if you actually do know what you’re doing in this discussion, you are deliberately trying to misdirect. But I doubt it. The quality of your argumentation suggests you’re not even being that dishonest.

Bahahahahaha. I didn’t veer off on anything.

You tried to suggest that the Chinese government is being “visionary” by installing large amounts of renewable energy and solar manufacturing capacity whilst convieniently ignoring the facts that they are also increasing their fossil fuel and nuclear capacity by massive amounts.

I’m actually a big supporter of increasing Australia’s use of renewable energy sources but they need to be taken in context of the overall energy mix. Talking about the massive growth in the use of renewables in China as some sort of putdown of Australia is deliberately misleading and nothing to do with developments in solar technology.

Oh and if you want to talk about being logically deprived, i suggest you re-read your comments to me and then this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

chewy14 said :

My point is that whilst China is indeed increasing their renewable energy capacity (of which hydro is clearly the biggest atm), they are increasing their fossil fuel and nuclear capacity at massive rates also. You convieniently left that out because it doesn’t suit your argument.
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It’s a stupid “point” when the topic at hand is “Developments in Solar Technology”.

As is the wont of the logically-deprived, you try to veer off on a completely “point”less tangent by talking about coal.
Or, if you actually do know what you’re doing in this discussion, you are deliberately trying to misdirect. But I doubt it. The quality of your argumentation suggests you’re not even being that dishonest.

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

dungfungus said :

Isn’t 6.00pm a little late to be demonstating a solar energy concept?

You’re thinking Local again.

Here’s a clue: the sun shines 24 hours a day, without fail.

The Chinese government has announced plans to expand the installed capacity of solar capacity to 20 GW by 2020, and windpower capacity to 100GW by 2020.
(And considering they beat their target of 10GW windpower by 2010 by almost 300%, their targets are not just credible, but probably an understatement).

Here in the “clever country”? Ignorant pooh-poohers still clog up the debate with their nonsense, and we barely manage to produce 5% of our power consumption from renewable sources (and less than 2% of our production is from renewables). Some people need to wake up and realise the 1950s are over.
Like that Gina Reinhardt who I had the displeasure of watching on Australian Story again last night.

And their coal capacity is what 550-600GW? How much growth expected in this area?
And what’s their expected growth in Nuclear Power generation?

I think I’ve previously taken you to task on account of presenting logic-free argument in other threads.

Care to explain the logic present in your argument, if you have any/one.

I do wish those with no understanding of logical argumentation would stick to sharing their observations (something we are all qualified for) rather than participating in intellectual exercises for which they are not equipped.

And I’ve taken you to task previously on presenting facts without context. My comment was simply to ask you to present the full context behind your comments on China’s energy capacity. That you fail to comprehend simple questions that are asked is your failure not mine.

My point is that whilst China is indeed increasing their renewable energy capacity (of which hydro is clearly the biggest atm), they are increasing their fossil fuel and nuclear capacity at massive rates also. You convieniently left that out because it doesn’t suit your argument.

PS. going on about “intellectual excercises” just makes you look like a tool.

GardeningGirl said :

I’m sorry but solar energy turned into another industry to steer clear of, with government schemes and jumping on the bandwagon shoddy installers and cheap Chinese panels and major pollution problems in the vicinity of the factories. I’m not saying all factories or panels or installers are crap but we decided to wait until the industry becomes clearly more environmentally friendly and sustainable instead of flavour of the month trendy pale green before we look into it again. It’s a shame the government didn’t invest in growing local solar technology expertise instead of simply throwing money at any householder who wanted to cut their power bills. Perhaps it’s just a coincidence around here but the houses with the panels are NOT the ones with northern orientation and reduced lawns and water tanks and sensible cars and so on, in fact one of them was notorious for ignoring the water restrictions during the drought so when I saw the panels go on I just had to laugh at their sudden interest in being environmentally responsible. I hope things improve in the future, I believe in the ‘idea’ of solar energy.

Nice compendium of claptrap. Pity there are no facts discernable there in amongst the poorly-written gibberish.

The one that always gets me is the ignorance of people swallowing the Abbott opposition’s nonsense blaming the Federal Government for “dodgy installers” when building licences and so forth are managed by State Govenment.

The various solar schemes have *dramatically* (and in a very short time) increased the coverage of domestic solar in this country. And that was their intended purpose.
Now, what do you call a project/scheme which achieves its stated goals?
Yes! That’s correct! It is called a *successful* scheme/project.

And, in other news,
[Turnbull:] “”the Americans are in a period of dysfunctionality on this … the Chinese are very alert to it and are introducing an emissions trading scheme. It’s a trial and it’s got a very small price, but the Chinese do take it seriously.
”I think we are more likely to see leadership out of China than America.” China is trialling an emissions trading scheme in seven provinces, but was widely condemned for cruelling any chances of an international climate change deal at the 2009 United Nations meeting in Copenhagen.
Mr Turnbull said he found it astonishing that climate change denialism was now a pre-requisite for Republican presidential candidates in the US, where a ”war against science” had been successfully waged by vested interests.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/us-behind-china-on-carbon–turnbull-20120403-1wast.html#ixzz1r2A9A3uu

I’m sorry but solar energy turned into another industry to steer clear of, with government schemes and jumping on the bandwagon shoddy installers and cheap Chinese panels and major pollution problems in the vicinity of the factories. I’m not saying all factories or panels or installers are crap but we decided to wait until the industry becomes clearly more environmentally friendly and sustainable instead of flavour of the month trendy pale green before we look into it again. It’s a shame the government didn’t invest in growing local solar technology expertise instead of simply throwing money at any householder who wanted to cut their power bills. Perhaps it’s just a coincidence around here but the houses with the panels are NOT the ones with northern orientation and reduced lawns and water tanks and sensible cars and so on, in fact one of them was notorious for ignoring the water restrictions during the drought so when I saw the panels go on I just had to laugh at their sudden interest in being environmentally responsible. I hope things improve in the future, I believe in the ‘idea’ of solar energy.